From: dmanmetz@a... Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 3:34 am Subject: 1972 O'brain/ McClure Articles Greetings SEARCH fans. It's been a while since I've posted anything (I've been very busy at work), but look foward everyday to cheaking my e-mail to see if I can learn anything new about Search. Enjoyed the article on the review of the show when it premired and the review of the revamp version in 1973 review. Anyway, here are two articles from 1972 on Hugh O'Brian and Doug McClure from old local TV guides. The McClure article doesn't say much about Search, but I thought everyone would be intrested in reading it since it was around the time he did Search. Well, enjoy. I hope it's clear enough to read, I had to clean it up after the scan. Chris From: "Kevin" Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 6:15 am Subject: Just when you think your the only one. Hello: I was just beginning to wonder If I was the only person that had ever heard of the TV show Search and now one late night on eBay I find a link to your web group and web page. I just hope things continue to grow so I can find more things related to the show. I Seem to remeber having some of the clips from Lincoln enterprises from years ago But have no idea what shape they may be in or if they are even still around But I'm going to look in the box I used to have them in. I also bought a script or two of the pilot and of the "Moonrock" episodes. They are fun to read. and lastly thanks for starting this for the fans. From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Sat Sep 1, 2001 6:27 am Subject: ... Just when you think you're the only one. Kevin-- You're NOT the only one! Great to hear from you! ----------------------------------------- >... I was just beginning to wonder If I was the only person that had ever heard of the TV show Search and now one late night on eBay I find a link to your web group and web page. --------------------------- Great! I'm glad my lil' website mention in my TV GUIDE SEARCH cover item paid off with at least ONE new "interested party"! I figured ol' Don Harden would'a found that eBay mention first-- but I guess he's busy at DragonCon! ;) (Inside joke, Kevin!) Glad you're on board! Feel free to join in the eGroups discussion at any time! ----------------- I just hope things continue to grow so I can find more things related to the show. I Seem to remeber having some of the clips from Lincoln enterprises from years ago But have no idea what shape they may be in or if they are even still around But I'm going to look in the box I used to have them in. ---------------------- Please do! We'd love to add to the "collection" already posted on the website! A few folks here have worked quite hard putting our ever-growing archive together! ;) Pretty cool, ain't it? Take a good look at the site! We have a handful of nifty items for sale 'specially-made for people who "thought they were the only one"... ;) ---------------------- >... I also bought a script or two of the pilot and of the "Moonrock" episodes. They are fun to read. ------------------------------ Look for other printable scripts on the site!!! --------------------------- >... and lastly thanks for starting this for the fans. ------------------------ Thank John Gumbinger and Bryan Durk! They're the wonderful guys who provided a place for the rest of us to rally 'round! Write again, soon! Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net From: Michael Rupert Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 6:41 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] ... Just when you think you're the only one. JIm, Mike Rupert here. I've been lurking a little and been in and out without much time to say anything to the group. One thing that I have been wondering about is whether or not you have found out if Keith Andes is alive. If he was, are you going to try to interview him. Mike Rupert Jim Alexander wrote: Kevin-- You're NOT the only one! Great to hear from you! ----------------------------------------- >... I was just beginning to wonder If I was the only person that had ever heard of the TV show Search and now one late night on eBay I find a link to your web group and web page. --------------------------- Great! I'm glad my lil' website mention in my TV GUIDE SEARCH cover item paid off with at least ONE new "interested party"! I figured ol' Don Harden would'a found that eBay mention first-- but I guess he's busy at DragonCon! ;) (Inside joke, Kevin!) Glad you're on board! Feel free to join in the eGroups discussion at any time! ----------------- I just hope things continue to grow so I can find more things related to the show. I Seem to remeber having some of the clips from Lincoln enterprises from years ago But have no idea what shape they may be in or if they are even still around But I'm going to look in the box I used to have them in. ---------------------- Please do! We'd love to add to the "collection" already posted on the website! A few folks here have worked quite hard putting our ever-growing archive together! ;) Pretty cool, ain't it? Take a good look at the site! We have a handful of nifty items for sale 'specially-made for people who "thought they were the only one"... ;) ---------------------- >... I also bought a script or two of the pilot and of the "Moonrock" episodes. They are fun to read. ------------------------------ Look for other printable scripts on the site!!! --------------------------- >... and lastly thanks for starting this for the fans. ------------------------ Thank John Gumbinger and Bryan Durk! They're the wonderful guys who provided a place for the rest of us to rally 'round! Write again, soon! Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net From: Marta Dawes Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 6:53 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] ... Just when you think you're the only one. I posted that question to alt.obituaries a few months ago when we were first wondering if he was still alive, and despite many anecdotes about him no one could come up with a death date, so I'm pretty sure he's out there somewhere still alive. Marta Michael Rupert wrote: > > JIm, > > Mike Rupert here. > > I've been lurking a little and been in and out without much time to > say anything to the group. > > One thing that I have been wondering about is whether or not you have > found out if Keith Andes is alive. If he was, are you going to try to > interview him. > > Mike Rupert > > > > Jim Alexander wrote: > > > Kevin-- You're NOT the only one! Great to hear from you! > > ----------------------------------------- > > >... I was just beginning to wonder If I was the only person that > > had ever heard of the TV show Search and now one late night on eBay > > I find a link to your web group and web page. > > --------------------------- > > Great! I'm glad my lil' website mention in my TV GUIDE SEARCH cover > > item paid off with at least ONE new "interested party"! I figured > > ol' Don Harden would'a found that eBay mention first-- but I guess > > he's busy at DragonCon! ;) (Inside joke, Kevin!) Glad you're on > > board! Feel free to join in the eGroups discussion at any time! > > ----------------- > > I just hope things continue to grow so I can find more things > > related to the show. I Seem to remeber having some of the clips from > > Lincoln enterprises from years ago But have no idea what shape they > > may be in or if they are even still around But I'm going to look in > > the box I used to have them in. > > ---------------------- > > Please do! We'd love to add to the "collection" already posted on > > the website! A few folks here have worked quite hard putting our > > ever-growing archive together! ;) Pretty cool, ain't it? Take a > > good look at the site! We have a handful of nifty items for sale > > 'specially-made for people who "thought they were the only one"... > > ;) > > ---------------------- > > >... I also bought a script or two of the pilot and of the > > "Moonrock" episodes. They are fun to read. > > ------------------------------ > > Look for other printable scripts on the site!!! > > --------------------------- > > >... and lastly thanks for starting this for the fans. > > ------------------------ > > Thank John Gumbinger and Bryan Durk! They're the wonderful guys who > > provided a place for the rest of us to rally 'round! Write again, > > soon! Jim Alexander > > probecontrol@s... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Marta Help us save the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world! http://www.saveindianhills.com Sign the Petition to save the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and ask him to reopen the theatre as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and ask them to reopen the theatre, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Save the Indian Hills and Cinerama Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies "The Graveyards of Omaha" http://members.nbci.com/martadawes "The New Twilight Zone" http://members.nbci.com/newtwilzone Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley From: "Kevin" Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 8:08 pm Subject: Mp3 of the shows theme? Does anyone have an excellent MP3 copy of the shows theme that they can e-mail to me. Have tried to find a copy of it for years on tape ,CD or anything else and No luck. I'm Only interested in the original theme from the show and not a cover made by another group or artist. Thanks alot if anyone can help out. Signed Kevin Stone From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 8:45 pm Subject: more on Keith Andes I did some checking for Jim Alexander a few months ago as to whether Keith Andes is still with us. I did find an item saying that someone got an autograph from him as late as October 2000. I'm sure Jim will have more information for us on the interview projects he is doing in whatever spare time he can scrounge up, but he is still not quite finished with his follow up interviews with Ginny Golden. After those are completed, I'm sure Jim won't mind making inquiries of Mr. Andes, who appeared as Dr. Barnett in the final Probe Control set episodes (also the voice of "Birdman" and was Akuta in the classic Trek episode "The Apple"). Don H. From: actingman@i... Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 8:56 pm Subject: Theme in mp3 format We need to do a formal page for these, but I posted the theme pieces in mp3 format on the website. Click on each link below to get them, or paste them into your browser, or paste them into your file download program (such as Gozilla or Get Right.) The pieces are off the Let Us Prey 16mm backup print, so the close theme is clean (without Ed telling us who is on Johnny that night.) Break is the piece of music that follows the network commercials at 10:30 (9:30 central) and let the local stations know it was their turn to run commercials. Return is the music that played after those local commercials aired and we returned to the show. http://probecontrol.com/MP3/OPEN.mp3 http://probecontrol.com/MP3/CLOSE.mp3 http://probecontrol.com/MP3/BREAK.mp3 http://probecontrol.com/MP3/RETURN.mp3 From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Mon Sep 3, 2001 11:40 pm Subject: SEARCH Easter Eggs (New Folder in Files Section) Hi folks: I've started a new folder in the "Files" section called (along with the link): SEARCH Easter Eggs So far, I've included two audio WAV files, both from "Countdown to Panic." Near the beginning of the episode, there is a hospital voiceover calling for a "Dr. Burns." (An inside reference to the writer of the episode, Judy Burns?) At first, I thought this might have been a funny coincidence. But later in the episode, just after Lockwood and Linden first meet and go into the elevator, we hear another voiceover calling for a "Dr. Stevens." (Another inside reference to executive producer Leslie Stevens?) Easter Eggs are those little hidden things put into movies and shows, etc. as inside jokes by the production people (or others). Sometimes we viewers catch them, sometimes we don't For example, Alfred Hitchcock would sometimes put himself into some of his movies, such as the famous humorous shot of him attempting to catch a bus over the director's credit in "North by Northwest." Gene Roddenberry himself did the voiceover of the ship's galley officer in "Charlie X" who reported to Kirk that the meatloafs had somehow turned into turkeys. Roddenberry said that was "his Hitchcock" for Star Trek. There may be other SEARCH Easter Eggs we haven't found yet. Gosh knows we still have some six episodes we haven't found on video yet. If anyone else has found some SEARCH Easter Eggs, go ahead and add them to the folder. Or, if you're not sure it's a bona fide Easter Egg, mention it on the regular Mailing List before posting. Thanks. Don H. From: michael beacom Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 2:33 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Mp3 of the shows theme? Kevin, Would that this were popular enough to be covered by other groups! Other than off of original video I don't think I have even heard anyone finding this on album or CD just yet despite the fact that Dominic Frontiere is one of the premiere composers in entertainment. Leslie Stevens must have really done something to make Warner Bro's angry at him considering how deeply they seem to have buried this series. Michael B. Kevin wrote: > Does anyone have an excellent MP3 copy of the shows theme that they > can e-mail to me. Have tried to find a copy of it for years on > tape ,CD or anything else and No luck. I'm Only interested in the > original theme from the show and not a cover made by another group or > artist. Thanks alot if anyone can help out. > > Signed > > Kevin Stone From: Kevin Stone Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 3:55 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Theme in mp3 format Dear actingman: Thanks for your links to the thene song and the rest of the music. Its been years since I had heard the music and the only copy I have is on and old VHS copy of the pilot movie and its not in good enough condition to make even a cassette tape from. So many thanks to you and hope that I can return the favor someday. Kevin Stone --- actingman@i... wrote: > We need to do a formal page for these, but I posted > the theme pieces in mp3 > format on the website. Click on each link below to > get them, or paste them > into your browser, or paste them into your file > download program (such as > Gozilla or Get Right.) > > The pieces are off the Let Us Prey 16mm backup > print, so the close theme is > clean (without Ed telling us who is on Johnny that > night.) > > Break is the piece of music that follows the network > commercials at 10:30 > (9:30 central) and let the local stations know it > was their turn to run > commercials. > > Return is the music that played after those local > commercials aired and we > returned to the show. > > > > http://probecontrol.com/MP3/OPEN.mp3 > http://probecontrol.com/MP3/CLOSE.mp3 > http://probecontrol.com/MP3/BREAK.mp3 > http://probecontrol.com/MP3/RETURN.mp3 From: Kevin Stone Date: Tue Sep 4, 2001 3:59 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Theme in mp3 format Thanks for the Location of the MP3 files for Search.Its been years since I had heard the music except for the once every ten or so many years they care to run the pilot movie on TV . IF I can ever return the favor let me know. Kevin Stone --- actingman@i... wrote: > We need to do a formal page for these, but I posted > the theme pieces in mp3 > format on the website. Click on each link below to > get them, or paste them > into your browser, or paste them into your file > download program (such as > Gozilla or Get Right.) > > The pieces are off the Let Us Prey 16mm backup > print, so the close theme is > clean (without Ed telling us who is on Johnny that > night.) > > Break is the piece of music that follows the network > commercials at 10:30 > (9:30 central) and let the local stations know it > was their turn to run > commercials. > > Return is the music that played after those local > commercials aired and we > returned to the show. > > > > http://probecontrol.com/MP3/OPEN.mp3 > http://probecontrol.com/MP3/CLOSE.mp3 > http://probecontrol.com/MP3/BREAK.mp3 > http://probecontrol.com/MP3/RETURN.mp3 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:48 am Subject: Keith Andes: Alive or... not? Sorry about the lack of responses to Marta and Mike Rupert (and others) re: Keith Andes. I've been extrordinarily busy lately, and I apologize for not replying to you directly. I intend to "remain on the case", and would like to find out about Mr. Andes, soon! I'll keep you all posted! Thanks! Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 5:59 am Subject: SEARCH & the 'Incubus' curse Michael B. wrote: > Leslie Stevens must have really done something to make Warner Bro's angry > at him considering how deeply they seem to have buried this series. Michael's comment brings to mind previous discussion on this list about "the 'Incubus' curse." LA Times on 'Incubus' By association, could this be one of the reasons for the strange current fate of SEARCH? Then again, "Incubus" was thought to have been completely lost until a well-worn print was discovered in France. If "Incubus" could be rediscovered, certainly the SEARCH series has a chance? --Don H. From: thescope@u... Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 4:37 am Subject: End of the Earth I am finally getting regular Internet access again and busy catching up with the posts and what a pleasant surprise to see that the script to End of the Earth is online. Thanks John for all your efforts! I really thought I was the only person who remember this show and am I glad to find out I am wrong. And now that I am on this mailing list, I am more convinced than ever that there are many more Search fans around. Here's a thought - I was at the SEARCH entry at IMDB and notice that http://www.probecontrol.com is not listed in the Miscellaneous Site category. May be if the site is added there might be more fans who will realize that they are not alone. Come to think of it, are there any plans to apply to add the site to the Yahoo Directory? Anyway, thanks to all of you who have put in so much time and effort to collect the info. I really enjoy reading all of it! Connie From: Bryan Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 7:23 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] End of the Earth I have submitted the site to IMDB many times, and have not gotten them to update. Yahoo search uses Google, and we do get hits from Google. > I am finally getting regular Internet access again and busy catching > up with the posts and what a pleasant surprise to see that the script > to End of the Earth is online. Thanks John for all your efforts! > > I really thought I was the only person who remember this show and am > I glad to find out I am wrong. > > And now that I am on this mailing list, I am more convinced than ever > that there are many more Search fans around. Here's a thought - I > was at the SEARCH entry at IMDB and notice that > http://www.probecontrol.com is not listed in the Miscellaneous Site > category. May be if the site is added there might be more fans who > will realize that they are not alone. > > Come to think of it, are there any plans to apply to add the site to > the Yahoo Directory? > > Anyway, thanks to all of you who have put in so much time and effort > to collect the info. I really enjoy reading all of it! > > Connie From: thescope@u... Date: Sun Sep 9, 2001 4:51 pm Subject: Re: End of the Earth Wow - I guess I must have been lucky with IMDB when I submitted a site I co-run. But then it was ages ago. As to Yahoo, you are right - thank goodness it is linked to Google! But I also found that my site (on Man From U.N.C.L.E.) gets a lot of independent hits from Yahoo too. The bad thing about Yahoo is that it does takes a couple of months to submit and sometimes a couple of tries. --- In probe_control@y..., Bryan wrote: > I have submitted the site to IMDB many times, and have not gotten them to > update. > > Yahoo search uses Google, and we do get hits from Google. From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 1:23 am Subject: Ends of the Earth (audio CDs available) --- In probe_control@y..., thescope@u... wrote: > ...what a pleasant surprise to see that the script to End of > the Earth is online. Thanks John for all your efforts! ----------------------------------------------- Hi Connie: If you (or anyone else on the list) are interested, we also have the audio of ENDS OF THE EARTH, which I taped on a reel-to- reel recorder back in 1973 when NBC re-ran it! It will have to do until we can find the video of it. I transferred it to audio CD and the sound is surprisingly clear, much better than you might think. John has a copy of the audio CD, so you can check with him for a copy too. He and I also have on audio CD the five other episodes we don't have on video, including: MOONROCK LIVE MEN TELL TALES A HONEYMOON TO KILL THE BULLET ONE OF OUR PROBES IS MISSING (There is also a second audio version of LIVE MEN from Jim, this one includes the NBC commercials.) Thanks, Don Harden From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:04 am Subject: Fantastic Television on SEARCH Recently I've been making inquiries about SEARCH on another mailing list, a Yahoo club called "Fantastic Television." Fantastic Television Yahoo Club I posted a link to our site so folks could see what we're doing. There have been some interesting SEARCH comments made in response to my initial post, so I'll reprint them below. One item of note is that SEARCH also aired in Costa Rica. And the BBC changed the name of the series to "Search Control" apparently because a children's show in the UK was already named "Search." ===================================== dghprobe3 8/15/01 2:08 am Hi folks, Don here and thanks to everyone for an interesting and fun group. Does anyone remember the SEARCH series which ran during the early 70's on NBC-TV? It starred Hugh O'Brian, Tony Franciosa and Doug McClure as private investigators of the future. It was produced by Leslie Stevens (of "The Outer Limits") and Robert H. Justman (of "Star Trek"). After it's first run during 1972-73, the show disappeared completely, except for the 2 hour pilot movie about the missing gem collection, which airs occasionally. Does anyone else here remember the show or have tapes or memorabilia of it? There is a website about the series at http://www.probecontrol.com ===================================== guynsd1955 (46/M/San Diego) 8/15/01 1:21 pm Yes, I remember that series, and I loved it! I looked at the Web Site, and instantly remembered it. I watched the series pilot, PROBE, and thought it was so cool. If I remember correctly (I didn't Scour the site) the PROBE pilot was made as a Movie of the Week, and later turned into a series. It was a great series, and I was upset at its cancellation. ===================================== moonbase_alphan (F/Moonbase Alpha) 8/15/01 1:22 pm I remember it being shown over here in England on the BBC back in the 70's. For some reason the Beeb decided to call it 'SEARCH CONTROL'. It remnded me of 'The Time Tunnel' with the boys back at the lab watching what the heroes were up to on a big screen. Wasn't Burgess (The Penguin) Meredith the guy in charge of the lab? (I must go and look at that web-site that you mention, Don - thanks for the link). ===================================== guynsd1955 (46/M/San Diego) 8/15/01 1:41 pm Yes, Burgess Merideth was the guy in control of the main control room. He directed the activities of the spys. The had speakers in their ears, mics in their teeth, and a pendant/ring that was a camera. ===================================== Calscholar (28/M/UC Berkeley) 8/15/01 5:51 pm Oh, yes I remember SEARCH, in fact, I still have the single series periemer movie that aired on American television. I recorded some years back in the late [19]80s when it aired as a regular movie on my local independent channel. I still have the video recording of the movie. I could tell that the movie was intended to be a preview of a up-coming television series the why everything was formated and expecting. I was disappointed to learn that was the only sample of the programme. It was great idea and still could be used to-day, but with all the hi-tech gadgets of to-day eg. PDAs, eye-glasses with camera. ===================================== shemp472000 (M/CHICAGO) 8/15/01 7:53 pm If you don't blink, you'll spot Jacklyn Smith as an airline stewardess in that TV_Movie pilot for SEARCH. Before she was an angel. SEARCH was a rotating series that aired every 3 weeks with two other shows ("Madigan" and "Cool Million") airing the other 2 weeks. This rotating schedual was popular for a while because it allowed producers more time to spend on each episode. However I think it hurt the rating because audiences couldn't follow the series every week. SEARCH was one of my favorites although I didn't believe the technology existed that they used. ===================================== edshifres (45/M/Hollywood, CA) 8/15/01 9:27 pm I remember SEARCH (1972) very well. I saw every episode. Hugh O'Brian, Burgess Meredith, Angel Tompkins, Byron Chung, Albert Popwell. I listed thossome of that series regular actors just from memory. ===================================== dghprobe3 8/15/01 9:51 pm Hi folks: Jaclyn Smith did indeed appear on the SEARCH pilot, as shemp472000 mentioned. Another Charlie's Angel, Cheryl Ladd, also appeared in some of the episodes, but she was known then as Cheryl Stoppelmoor. Dabney Coleman (of "Slap Maxwell") also had an early role on a SEARCH episode. SEARCH was a rotating series, but it rotated within itself. Hugh O'Brian would star one week, then Tony Franciosa the next week, then Doug McClure the next, then back to O'Brian again. It was similar to "The Name of the Game," which rotated different stars in the same series. SEARCH was not part of the NBC Mystery Movie, although any confusion is understandable since 1972 was (gosh!) some 29 years ago... ===================================== BETO01DIABLO 8/18/01 7:04 pm I do remember it too...I remember I used to dislike the Tony Franciosa´s episodes. I was in School when this show was transmited here in Costa Rica. ===================================== edshifres (45/M/Hollywood, CA) 8/18/01 9:21 pm I think that the Hugh O'Brian episodes were the better ones and he was featured more than Franciosa or McClure. McClure episodes were the fewest, I believe. ===================================== redwall435 8/19/01 4:56 pm CHERLY LADD WAS ALSO ONE OF THE SINGING VOICES ON THE THEME AND ADDITIONAL MUSIC ON JOSIE AND THE PUSSYCATS! ===================================== dghprobe3 9/6/01 3:14 am Reply to BETO01DIABLO: Do you recall roughly when you saw SEARCH air in Costa Rica? We are trying to find episodes of the SEARCH series on video. We have found some from Japan, Australia and New Zealand, but we haven't found all the episodes yet... Inquiries to sci-fi fans in Costa Rica might help us flush out a few more episodes. It might help to know generally when it ran there. ===================================== meglos_lives (M/Zolfa-Thura) 9/6/01 6:11 am 'Search' did air in England in the 70's but the BBC changed its name to 'Search Control' over here because of a homegrown childrens TV show which was also called 'Search'. ===================================== From: actingman@i... Date: Tue Sep 11, 2001 10:16 pm Subject: OT: Today's cowardly act These two photos were posted on a Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea mailing list (I like all the genre shows.) I am assuming they are real (sorry...that's the journalist in me). If they get published, I think they will become some of the most famous photos of the 21st century. http://www.nimr.org/trade/trade1.jpg http://www.nimr.org/trade/trade2.jpg I think it's going to be a long time before I can bear to look at the skyline again, as I go about town. From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 3:40 am Subject: OT--Chris Carter show where aircraft hit WTC Did anyone on this list manage to tape this show when it aired back in March 2001? If anyone can send me a dub of this show (which I believe has been cancelled), please contact me or this list. I find it quite interesting. Thanks, Don H. http://www.xfiles.stylicious.com/lonegunmen/1aeb79.php X-FILES PRODUCER DID TV PILOT SHOW IN WHICH AIRCRAFT HIT WORLD TRADE CENTER PLOT: The two Byers head for the airport to try to find the explosives in the aircraft. Both board the plane, but cannot find explosives, using hydrocarbon "sniffer" devices. They realize that the airplane will be remote controlled, just like Bert's car was. Talking by phone to the Gunmen's office, Byers asks Langly and Frohike to hack into the aircraft controls. They do and discover that the plane is programmed to crash into the World Trade Center. Bert enters the cockpit and tries to warn the aircrew, but they don't believe him. Making a lunge, he deactivates the autopilot and the crew realizes that they are not in control. They have 22 minutes before they hit the building. MORE From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:04 pm Subject: Reminder - Search NBC Premiere Anniversary We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Search NBC Premiere Anniversary Date: Thursday, September 13, 2001 Time: 10:00PM - 11:00PM GMT SEARCH premiered on NBC-TV 9-13-72 with the episode "The Murrow Disappearance," 29 years ago! From: Marta Dawes Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 12:46 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Reminder - Search NBC Premiere Anniversary Are we all going to get together in a chat room on tomorrow night and talk about this? That would be fun, at least for a short while. Marta probe_control@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Search NBC Premiere Anniversary > > Date: Thursday, September 13, 2001 > Time: 10:00PM - 11:00PM GMT > > SEARCH premiered on NBC-TV 9-13-72 with the episode "The Murrow > Disappearance," 29 years ago! > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Marta Help us save the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world! http://www.saveindianhills.com Sign the Petition to save the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and ask him to reopen the theatre as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and ask them to reopen the theatre, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Save the Indian Hills and Cinerama Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies "The Graveyards of Omaha" http://members.nbci.com/martadawes "The New Twilight Zone" http://members.nbci.com/newtwilzone Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley From: michael beacom Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 3:59 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Reminder - Search NBC Premiere Anniversary What chat room, where and when? Thursday from 1pm to 11pm? Don't normally do the chat rooms but would love to in this case --- this has been such an unrelenting week, I crave to talk about something that does not involve airplanes and terrorists or my job. Michael B. Marta Dawes wrote: > Are we all going to get together in a chat room on tomorrow night and > talk about this? That would be fun, at least for a short while. > > Marta > > probe_control@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > > > Search NBC Premiere Anniversary > > > > Date: Thursday, September 13, 2001 > > Time: 10:00PM - 11:00PM GMT > > > > SEARCH premiered on NBC-TV 9-13-72 with the episode "The Murrow > > Disappearance," 29 years ago! > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > Marta > > Help us save the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska > The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world! > http://www.saveindianhills.com > > Sign the Petition to save the Indian Hills Online! > http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html > > Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and ask him to > reopen the theatre as a working film venue. Email > comments@b..., Methodist's website, and ask them to reopen the > theatre, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you > know! > > And --- > Join the Save the Indian Hills and Cinerama Discussion Group > http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies > > "The Graveyards of Omaha" > http://members.nbci.com/martadawes > > "The New Twilight Zone" > http://members.nbci.com/newtwilzone > > Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group > http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 5:31 am Subject: Did somebody know what was coming http://williamcooper.com/ "Somebody knew what was coming?" "This album cover was posted to the internet on July 19, 2001! It depicts the World Trade Center in the exact state it we all saw it in after the attacks yesterday. The band, The Coup (a sudden overthrow of a government by a usually small group of persons in positions of authority), displays the Red Communist Star representing Socialism on the cover." (You should be able to open the photo attachment below. Does anyone actually have this CD? What kind of songs are on it, I wonder?) More from Sherman Skolnick (make sure you hang on to your shock cord, as Cam would say: http://rense.com/general13/skolknow.htm From: Marta Dawes Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 11:36 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Reminder - Search NBC Premiere Anniversary On the Yahoo groups page for Probe, there is a chat function on the left hand side. We could agree to a time and then all sign in. I'm open for anything after 5:30pm CDT. You have to use IE with the chat function, however. Marta michael beacom wrote: > > What chat room, where and when? Thursday from 1pm to 11pm? Don't normally do > the chat rooms but would love to in this case --- this has been such an > unrelenting week, I crave to talk about something that does not involve > airplanes and terrorists or my job. > > Michael B. > > Marta Dawes wrote: > > > Are we all going to get together in a chat room on tomorrow night and > > talk about this? That would be fun, at least for a short while. > > > > Marta > > > > probe_control@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > > > > > Search NBC Premiere Anniversary > > > > > > Date: Thursday, September 13, 2001 > > > Time: 10:00PM - 11:00PM GMT > > > > > > SEARCH premiered on NBC-TV 9-13-72 with the episode "The Murrow > > > Disappearance," 29 years ago! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- > > Marta > > > > Help us save the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska > > The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world! > > http://www.saveindianhills.com > > > > Sign the Petition to save the Indian Hills Online! > > http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html > > > > Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and ask him to > > reopen the theatre as a working film venue. Email > > comments@b..., Methodist's website, and ask them to reopen the > > theatre, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you > > know! > > > > And --- > > Join the Save the Indian Hills and Cinerama Discussion Group > > http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies > > > > "The Graveyards of Omaha" > > http://members.nbci.com/martadawes > > > > "The New Twilight Zone" > > http://members.nbci.com/newtwilzone > > > > Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group > > http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Marta Help us save the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world! http://www.saveindianhills.com Sign the Petition to save the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and ask him to reopen the theatre as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and ask them to reopen the theatre, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Save the Indian Hills and Cinerama Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies "The Graveyards of Omaha" http://members.nbci.com/martadawes "The New Twilight Zone" http://members.nbci.com/newtwilzone Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley From: actingman@i... Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 5:02 pm Subject: Possible Chat Tonight. There are lots of different ways to chat. AOL's Instant Messenger has a chat function, so does ICQ. IRC is good also...just have to know which server you are on. Haven't used Yahoo's Chat though...whatever works for everyone...do it. Just keep us informed via this mailing list where everybody lands. I hope to be there. Even though my DSL worked for a full 12 hours after the disaster, it is now down as a part of major Northeast inturruptions due to the attack. A friend in NC is giving me access to his unlimited $12.95/month dialup service until I can get back, so we shall see. (He is very happy with them, so here is a free plug for them www.surfbest.com ) Let us know what time you will land on the chat. We should all give at least a handshake at 10PM EDT for when the stinger first rang out across the airwaves 29 years ago. From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 10:09 pm Subject: Re: Possible Chat Tonight. Let us know where to meet and when. I have AOL Instant Messenger, or we could try the "Chat" feature on this mailing list. (There is a link to "Chat" on the left side of our Yahoo list home page.) Someone may need to volunteer to be an overall moderator while the rest of us enter and leave the chat at different times. We could let tonight be a "dry run" sort of thing and decide if this something we should try to do once a month, or on a weekend day, etc. Don From: Marta Dawes Date: Thu Sep 13, 2001 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Possible Chat Tonight. If everyone wants to meet in the Yahoo group chatroom (link below) at 9:45pm EDT/8:45pm CDT/7:45pm MT/6:45 PT, I'm game. We can talk till the hour chimes, and then give a toast to the anniversary of Search. Remember, you should use Internet Explorer for Yahoo chat. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/chat Marta actingman@i... wrote: > > There are lots of different ways to chat. AOL's Instant Messenger > has a chat function, so does ICQ. IRC is good also...just have to > know which server you are on. > > Haven't used Yahoo's Chat though...whatever works for everyone...do > it. Just keep us informed via this mailing list where everybody > lands. > > I hope to be there. Even though my DSL worked for a full 12 hours > after the disaster, it is now down as a part of major Northeast > inturruptions due to the attack. A friend in NC is giving me access > to his unlimited $12.95/month dialup service until I can get back, so > we shall see. (He is very happy with them, so here is a free plug for > them www.surfbest.com ) > > Let us know what time you will land on the chat. We should all give > at least a handshake at 10PM EDT for when the stinger first rang out > across the airwaves 29 years ago. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Marta Help us save the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world! http://www.saveindianhills.com Sign the Petition to save the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and ask him to reopen the theatre as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and ask them to reopen the theatre, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Save the Indian Hills and Cinerama Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies "The Graveyards of Omaha" http://members.nbci.com/martadawes "The New Twilight Zone" http://members.nbci.com/newtwilzone Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley From: michael beacom Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 12:25 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Did somebody know what was coming Terrorists tried to fly a plane via remote control into the World Trade Center on an episode of The Lone Gunman too. Should we investigate FOX network? Seriously, terrorists are not terribly imaginative people - it should not surprise us that they just did what other persons had already thought of before. MJB. dghprobe3@aol.com wrote: http://williamcooper.com/ "Somebody knew what was coming?" "This album cover was posted to the internet on July 19, 2001! It depicts the World Trade Center in the exact state it we all saw it in after the attacks yesterday. The band, The Coup (a sudden overthrow of a government by a usually small group of persons in positions of authority), displays the Red Communist Star representing Socialism on the cover." (You should be able to open the photo attachment below. Does anyone actually have this CD? What kind of songs are on it, I wonder?) More from Sherman Skolnick (make sure you hang on to your shock cord, as Cam would say: http://rense.com/general13/skolknow.htm From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 4:38 am Subject: Re: Did somebody know what was coming --- In probe_control@y..., michael beacom wrote: > Terrorists tried to fly a plane via remote control into the > World Trade Center on an episode of The Lone Gunman too. > Should we investigate FOX network? Seriously, terrorists > are not terribly imaginative people - it should not surprise > us that they just did what other persons had already thought > of before. > > MJB. Hi Mike: I was just wondering if anyone else would pick up on the irony. Sounds like something Chris ("X-Files") Carter would come up with. By the way, someone contacted me and will be sending me a dub of that pilot episode of "The Lone Gunmen" (that title alone suggests conspiracy theories, so I place the blame on Carter to begin with). It should be interesting. :-) In the meantime, our thoughts and prayers should go out to the victims and families of the events of what some are now calling "Rude Tuesday." Don H. From: actingman@i... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:15 am Subject: We were here Don and I were here...where was everybody else? From: actingman@i... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 2:04 am Subject: Come on in, the water is fine Don and I are on Yahoo Chat. Go to Groups.yahoo.com, sign in, click on chats, and geek out for awhile. From: Marta Dawes Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 11:14 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] We were here No one responded to my email, so I didn't think anyone was going to show up. I'm sorry I missed you two. Marta actingman@i... wrote: > > Don and I were here...where was everybody else? > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Marta Help us save the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world! http://www.saveindianhills.com Sign the Petition to save the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and ask him to reopen the theatre as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and ask them to reopen the theatre, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Save the Indian Hills and Cinerama Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies "The Graveyards of Omaha" http://members.nbci.com/martadawes "The New Twilight Zone" http://members.nbci.com/newtwilzone Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley From: actingman@i... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:19 pm Subject: Last night's chat I blame Yahoo for all of this. When Don and I were on last night I posted the "The Water's Fine" message. This was around 10pm EDT. I didn't get the message until this morning. I didn't get Marta's message about coming on at 9:45 and raising a glass at 10 until 10:45 EDT. I supose this week we can say it's because of people sending messages about the attack. But in past time's Yahoo has had no excuse. I was on until 9pm using a friend's dialup. Then at 9:55 approx I found my DSL was back and Don joined me soon after. Don didn't have any problems with it, I kept getting disconnected from the chat and had to log back in. We can try again to use Yahoo's chat, or we can create an IRC channel on one of the servers. A great all round program (and it's free) is Trillian from www.trillian.cc It will connect you to AIM, ICQ, Yahoo and MSN, as well as IRC. There are other chat alternatives as well. And of course we all have different schedules in different time zones...so chats are always up in the air. But if anybody wants to try and organize something...maybe Yahoo will cooperate and send our messages out in a more timely fashion. From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:49 pm Subject: Part 1 of Chat celebrating SEARCH 29th Anniversary Yahoo Chat - You are in *g.probe_control:1 Dghprobe3: Hello there. I see John is the only other one here. Actingman_jc: here I is Dghprobe3: Now we're here. Actingman_jc: tada. This wasn't even our idea…so how come we are the only ones? Dghprobe3: According to one of the posts, I think a couple of folks might join us around 10pm or so. It's about 9:58 now, so here's hoping. Actingman_jc: 10pm was my suggestion…you were the only one who responded to that. Dghprobe3: I think Marta made the initial suggestion, which was a good one. I think this could have been scheduled for the weekend or something. So here we are. Just about 10pm. Actingman_jc: I didn't realize the Search anniversary was when the moon left earth orbit. Dghprobe3: 29 years ago this moment, SEARCH as a series began airing. However, my first SEARCH episode wasn't until "Flight to Nowhere." I think I caught some of the pilot either when it premiered or reran on NBC. Actingman_jc: Not sure when I first saw it. Didn't see the pilot until syndication. Dghprobe3: My brother's first episode was a week before me, the first run of "Adonis File." Hmm. Nobody else is joining us. May have to check our Buddy Lists? Actingman_jc: I think it was the Lincoln catalog that got me looking at it. Dghprobe3: Nobody is on my buddy list right now. Actingman_jc: Where's your brother? Dghprobe3: My brother is not online right now. I told him to go ahead and sign on to the SEARCH list. Don't know if he has yet or not. Actingman_jc: His email is not on the member list. (We tested the audio feature and it worked both ways.) Actingman_jc: There are some chat programs where you can send video…using web cams. We have found you can also send video from the tv card. So sometimes when my friend is still at work at 7pm, I feed him the Three Stooges on AMC. I do. Dghprobe3: Nyuk nyuk nyuk! Actingman_jc: But this doesn't have video capability. For that you need Pal Talk or Eyeball…two audio/video chat programs. And there are others. Dghprobe3: Does everyone on the list know about the Yahoo chat feature? Actually, I never thought much about it until it was brought up the other day. Actingman_jc: I've never seen anybody discuss it. Dghprobe3: I've also noticed we have some 62 members now. Actingman_jc: Yes…in the 60's. Between Bryan and I, we have tried them all, and we think AIM (AOL Instant Message) is the best... (End of Part One, more in my next post.) From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 6:09 pm Subject: Part 2 of Chat celebrating SEARCH 29th Anniversary Yahoo Chat - You are in *g.probe_control:1 (Part Two) Dghprobe3: Did you catch my post about the FANTASTIC TELEVISION list? Actingman_jc: Yes…very good. I subscribed to it. Just for emails. Dghprobe3: Managed to get a good SEARCH thread going, but it finally ended. They jump from discussing one show to the other. Actingman_jc: Are you able to look at the list of members on our list? Or am I the only one? Dghprobe3: On other Yahoo mailing lists, there is a button on the left saying "Members." Our list don't have that. It gives you a list of members, showing who's online and stuff. Actingman_jc: maybe I can change that setting. Although it does protect everyone from spam. Dghprobe3: It would help on setting up chats and such. Actingman_jc: I can download the list and send it to anyone who wants it. Dghprobe3: Well, it's 10:25. Does Jim Alexander show up on any of your lists? He never shows up on my buddy list. Actingman_jc: I don't think he ever signed up for an AIM buddy name after he dropped AOL as his provider. I told him once that he could sign up for a name and use the AIM standalone program for free…that I do that. And he would have more features that way. Dghprobe3: Oh, caught another SEARCH trivia item last night. Was looking at classic Trek "Gamesters of Triskelion." The gal who was at Chekov's station, Lt. Jana Haines was played by Victoria George, the one who was Anne Delaware in "Adonis File." No biggie, but it's one of those SEARCH connections that crops up now and then. Actingman_jc: What surprised me was learning that the woman who played Kirk's trainer went on to do porn in the 70's and 80's. Maybe the Justman connection. :-) Dghprobe3: Anjellique Pettijohn (sp?) She passed away a few years ago. She was still fairly young too. Actingman_jc: Yes…pity…cancer I think. Dghprobe3: …10:40 now…29 years ago, Lockwood would have spotted the lens in the chandelier by now. Actingman_jc: I was going to run it now, but I got so involved with the new machine (a PAL to NTSC converter, which John has been having trouble getting to work). Dghprobe3: BTW, glad you enjoyed those VARIETY reviews I posted. Actingman_jc: I thought it was hysterical how they were written. Dghprobe3: Inside trade paper talk. Actingman_jc: Hollywood Speak. Dghprobe3: I've always said TV reviewers write for other TV reviewers. They want to "out cute" each other. Some of the SEARCH commentary was interesting, though. Actingman_jc: But as someone who has been ripped by pig ignorant reviewers, I know it doesn't mean a thing. Dghprobe3: It was the only acknowledgement of any changes in the series. They really liked "The 24 Carat Hit." I have to admit Dane Clark did a great job as Agent Bain in that show. Actingman_jc: I just could never understand why there were no articles on the set change. Of course the winner of most bizarre format change goes to I'm a Big Girl Now. 1980 sitcom with Diana Canova. Did 16 episodes where the characters worked for a Washington Think Tank. Starting with episode 17 the same characters worked for a Washington Weekly. Martin Short was on it, and he still talks about the abrupt change. He mentioned it this year on Dennis Miller's show... (End of Part Two, more in my next post.) From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:24 pm Subject: Part 3 of Chat celebrating SEARCH 29th Anniversary Yahoo Chat - You are in *g.probe_control:1 (Part Three) Dghprobe3: (@ 10:59pm 9-13-01) 29 years ago, Ed was telling us who Johnny Carson had on that night. Actingman_jc: Are the broadcast networks running regular programming? Here in NY it's either network or local news non stop. Dghprobe3: Here it's been non stop saturation news. A couple of UHF stations and the PBS station are running normal programming. The reporting is focused on the rescue efforts and airports slowing opening again. Don't know what to say. Nonplussed is the word. Actingman_jc: My motto is "We Are Not Afraid" Dghprobe3: Good. Hang in there. You're closer to that than any of the rest of us. Actingman_jc: We are all in this one. Dghprobe3: Yep. It's been one hour and 15 minutes. Everybody missed out, I guess. Actingman_jc: Well, we may be able to do this again. This works, there's AIM, many have Yahoo identities, so can use that one as well. Dghprobe3: I suggested we do a dry run tonight and make better plans for future chats. I can't think of anything else. Want to call it a night? At least we can say the chat feature works, but we will go with AIM. Actingman_jc: If you can figure out how to save this -- go ahead and give it a try and post it -- I got a group message from Marta saying she would be here at 9:45 -- I'll have to disappear shortly. Work in the morning. Dghprobe3: Well, two out of 62 members ain't bad. Actingman_jc: Nope -- considering that's how the list got started. Dghprobe3: SEARCH fans are a vast minority. Most of us are in our late thirties or early forties. Most of us were in our teens when SEARCH first ran. Actingman_jc: just about. Dghprobe3: In the intervening 29 years, there have been other "favorite shows" but SEARCH was always more special for some reason. Probably because it became unobtainable. Actingman_jc: definitly. Dghprobe3: 11:43 pm. We could give it a few more minutes, then close down. You must have logged on to chat about 9:45 or a minute or so after? Actingman: 9:55 maybe Dghprobe3: I think I showed up around 9:57 or something. 11:46. I guess folks got distracted by the news. Anyway, heres' to SEARCH Actingman_jc (left the room for AOL Instant Messenger) (End of Part Three, more in my next post.) From: Marta Dawes Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 11:50 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Last night's chat I'm still up for it. Saturday night? Marta actingman@i... wrote: > > I blame Yahoo for all of this. When Don and I were on last night I > posted the "The Water's Fine" message. This was around 10pm EDT. I > didn't get the message until this morning. I didn't get Marta's > message about coming on at 9:45 and raising a glass at 10 until 10:45 > EDT. I supose this week we can say it's because of people sending > messages about the attack. But in past time's Yahoo has had no > excuse. > > I was on until 9pm using a friend's dialup. Then at 9:55 approx I > found my DSL was back and Don joined me soon after. > > Don didn't have any problems with it, I kept getting disconnected > from the chat and had to log back in. > > We can try again to use Yahoo's chat, or we can create an IRC channel > on one of the servers. A great all round program (and it's free) is > Trillian from www.trillian.cc It will connect you to AIM, ICQ, Yahoo > and MSN, as well as IRC. There are other chat alternatives as well. > > And of course we all have different schedules in different time > zones...so chats are always up in the air. > > But if anybody wants to try and organize something...maybe Yahoo will > cooperate and send our messages out in a more timely fashion. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Marta Help us save the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world! http://www.saveindianhills.com Sign the Petition to save the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and ask him to reopen the theatre as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and ask them to reopen the theatre, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Save the Indian Hills and Cinerama Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies "The Graveyards of Omaha" http://members.nbci.com/martadawes "The New Twilight Zone" http://members.nbci.com/newtwilzone Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley From: actingman@i... Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 1:27 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Last night's chat Name the time and the forum (Yahoo, AIM, IRC, Semifore, etc) At 06:50 PM 9/14/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I'm still up for it. Saturday night? > >Marta From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 1:34 am Subject: Part 4 of Chat celebrating SEARCH 29th Anniversary AOL - Instant Message Chat (Part Four--conclusion) actingman6: Sorry about that--Yahoo disconnected me and I would have to sign off to get back on...very strange. Dghprobe3: OK. I have both IM and Yahoo Chat windows on. 11:48pm now. actingman6: I'm not going to bother with the Yahoo one--it's late. We are the only good ones. Dghprobe3: I made an online toast. Here's to SEARCH Actually, we should be using the chat idea more. actingman6: *HIC* actingman6: Yes--but not the Yahoo one...it's buggy I think. Dghprobe3: Buggy? AIM seems to work quicker. actingman6: Here I have a dsl connection and it keeps disconnecting me. Dghprobe3: Hmm. Mine is 56 modem and so far I'm still online. actingman6: There is a free program called Trillian. It will tie in to AIM, Yahoo, ICQ and MSN. It also will do IRC. Everyone should get that for the IRC for group chats. Dghprobe3: For the past few days, I got knocked off fairly frequently. But tonight, I haven't been knocked offline yet. Dghprobe3: Trillian? Maybe you can post a link to the freeware site that has that? actingman6: The net really slowed down after the attack--everyone was trying to get on. let me look. http://www.trillian.cc/ Dghprobe3: OK. Thanks for that. It's free? actingman6: yes Dghprobe3: I guess it's self explanatory. actingman6: Very easy...and I can help you with any parts...the IRC is a little confusing...took me a little time to figure out the interface...also I don't use IRC all that often. Dghprobe3: OK. Yahoo Chat is still on, no one has shown up since you left. actingman6: Didn't think they would. Ever use IRC? Dghprobe3: Nope. actingman6: Amazing what's out there. Thousands of chats on different servers. Dghprobe3: Will Angel's book be coming out later in the year? Dghprobe3: Haven't had a chance to do any of the Simon screen grabs yet. I have over half of our earlier chat saved now. actingman6: I don't know any details about her book. It's weird, but I'm not much of a talker, and here it is I can write to her, and she will write back, and I don't have anything to say. Dghprobe3: She mentioned something about her SEARCH biography. actingman6: She got a laugh out of it and said she will use it in her book. Dghprobe3: Whenever I got an email from Judy Burns, I was kinda like that. Not quite knowing what to say or ask. actingman6: Yes--another reason I wish I could solve this PAL problem-- Dghprobe3: OK. Hopefully Bryan can be of help. actingman6: How funny is it that a man who works on the cult show of all time likes a little forgotten show from 1972? Dghprobe3: You're speaking of Mike? actingman6: yep Dghprobe3: Don't know. He musta been a crazy teenager, like the rest of us. :-) actingman6: Yes Dghprobe3: It was the scarcity of SEARCH that made it special. Like fine wine or rare gems. Dghprobe3: Talking like Cameron now. actingman6: Oh I dunno--I would have been happy with a five year run and syndication well into the 22nd century. Dghprobe3: Poor Leslie Stevens ran afoul of network politics back then. actingman6: Angel said in one email all he had to do was give them first refusal on the idea. Or at least offer it to them first. Dghprobe3: First refusal? To NBC? Or Warners? actingman6: NBC Dghprobe3: What does first refusal mean? actingman6: Quinn Martin and Irwin Allen both had shows on competing networks in the 60's Dghprobe3: OK. Why not Stevens? Not enuf clout? actingman6: She said he was working on the idea for CBS while he was developing Search for NBC...and he hadn't gone to NBC first...as a courtesy. Dghprobe3: OK. actingman6: Oh well. Dghprobe3: Apparently he thought he could be quiet about it and no one would know. But they found out. And got mad. actingman6: yep--I don't know what ever happened to that show he was working on. Dghprobe3: Someone wondered if that wasn't part of the reason the show got buried in the vaults like it did. SEARCH, that is. Dghprobe3: Didn't that other show finally make it to TV one season? I think it was called "Cliffhangers"? actingman6: I don't know. Dghprobe3: Angel mentioned before it was a show that would air over two or three nights in the US, but overseas, they would air as movies. actingman6: Once it left NBC it was Warners' show to deal with--why would they bury it--cause he had a fight with NBC? They were the ones who deficit financed it and wanted their money back. Dghprobe3: But I never heard what the other show was to be about. actingman6: Yes--as Galactica later did (which Stevens worked on.) Dghprobe3: Someone on the list mentioned the Warner's burial of the show thing, not me. actingman6: I know-- Dghprobe3: I offered that maybe it was the 'Incubus' curse that did SEARCH in. actingman6: hehe...I remember. Dghprobe3: Funny that Incubus is a cult hit classic now. Over the years, it had been considered lost. Like Search. actingman6: That's it for me...gotta get up at 7:15. Feel free to post the chat if you get it copied. Dghprobe3: OK. thanks. We gave it a good try. actingman6: Well, maybe like Incubus, Search can rise from the ashes. actingman6: Yes we did. Ta Dghprobe3: Hope so. Adios. :-) end From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 3:14 am Subject: Re: Last night's chat --- In probe_control@y..., Marta Dawes wrote: > I'm still up for it. Saturday night? Hi Marta: Saturday night is a bad time for me. Sunday night would be better. Then again, we could have chats Saturday and Sunday with different moderators along with whoever else can join in. Also let us know if you plan to use the Yahoo Chat feature or AOL Instant Messenger. This may be the way chats need to done in the future. Put out a note about a week before, find out what day/night is best for the most people, and schedule the chat for that day/night. Or, like the above, do it Saturday and Sunday nights over a weekend. Don From: richard.rutherford@c... Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 1:54 pm Subject: near-empty chat rooms Hi, guys I only have email at work (primitive man stuff) and with that and the time difference here in the UK, chat room activity is not realistic, but I did note the anniversary and although home tv has been switched more or less permanently to news this week, I watched the opening of 'Murrow' on the anniversary evening before going to bed and raised a glass. So your reminder was not wasted! Enjoyed the record of the chat even if it was only a 2-man show. There's a Star Trek 35th anniversary extravaganza here tomorrow night and in the morning they are in fact reshowing 'Gamesters' from TOS, so I'll look out for the so-cool Ms George from 'Adonis File'. Keep the faith Richard From: "Mark Wilson" Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 1:44 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Did somebody know what was coming Hi Everyone, Got back home in New York City last night. I was in Seattle Washington all week on a business trip. Luckily for me, I changed jobs in July of this year. Else I would have been right in the middle of the World Trade Center disaster. I worked for Merrill Lynch in the World Financial Center for ten years, walked through the WTC central plaza or under-ground shopping areas until July 2001. My arrival time at work was at 9am, so I usually was in the WTC sometime between 8:45am and 9:05am depending on the trains. My new job sent me to Redmond Washington Sunday night, so I watched the whole thing on Tuesday safely in a Seattle hotel room. I'm thanking my lucky stars and guardian angels that I changed jobs in July...after ten years. So are my family and friends. However, I had a lot of friends that worked down there. About 95% contacted me to let me know they are ok. Still waiting on a few. Went down as close as I could today, very sad. Hundreds of people down there looking for lost relatives or friends. Everyone is wearing flags or ribbon pins. It's great to see everyone united and supportive of everyone else. The firemen are the saddest sight, after losing over two hundred of their brothers. Just to let everyone know I was safe and here in NYC (although I don't think anyone knew that...;) Thanks, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: dghprobe3@aol.com To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:31 AM Subject: [probe_control] Did somebody know what was coming http://williamcooper.com/ "Somebody knew what was coming?" "This album cover was posted to the internet on July 19, 2001! It depicts the World Trade Center in the exact state it we all saw it in after the attacks yesterday. The band, The Coup (a sudden overthrow of a government by a usually small group of persons in positions of authority), displays the Red Communist Star representing Socialism on the cover." (You should be able to open the photo attachment below. Does anyone actually have this CD? What kind of songs are on it, I wonder?) More from Sherman Skolnick (make sure you hang on to your shock cord, as Cam would say: http://rense.com/general13/skolknow.htm From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Tue Sep 18, 2001 12:37 pm Subject: Letter from Mark Wilson Glad you're safe, Mark! Thanks for writing in! Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 2:25 am Subject: E-Mail to Neil Norman re: SEARCH score Gentlemen and ladies. As previously mentioned on the list-- I think a number of us are interested in whether any recordings were made available (released to the public on an LP) of the SEARCH theme. Since Neil Norman has been so instrumental in unearthing so many wonderful genre recordings, as well as producing Dominic Frontiere's OUTER LIMITS CD, I wrote to him at GNP CRESCENDO records. My letter for Mr. Norman follows. I hope I've done all right by y'all. BTW--for your information--I've phoned Ginny Golden once more to attempt to get her to respond to my request for an interview for the website. I left a message on her Answering Machine-- She's always called back when I've left a message, even if it's (sometimes) days later. I'll let you know what she says... Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:06 PM Subject: E-Mail for Neil Norman Mr. Norman, Allow me to say that, being a fan of the SF shows of the 60's (The Outer Limits, Star Trek, and Irwin Allen's series, especially), I am most appreciative of how much music from this period you've worked to make available to fans. I've enjoyed the recordings you've composed and conducted yourself, as well as the re-orchestrations you've been a part of, and of course the original master recordings that you've unearthed. Pure gold! I could go on about how I treasure the Star Trek scores you've Exec Produced, and how I'd always dreamt of owning them since I was a child, and how lucky I feel to finally have them to enjoy, now... but you've already heard all that from others. Consider the sentiment echoed here. On to business: Seeing as you were almost single-handedly instrumental in bringing us Dominic Frontiere's OUTER LIMITS TV Score, I had a couple of questions regarding Mr. Frontiere's music... 1) Are there any plans on releasing an OUTER LIMITS-Volume Two? I'm sure that "it's all about sales", and whether the first volume did well enough to warrant another volume. I assume that enough material exists? 2) And the main reason I'm writing-- I am part of a large group of individuals who especially appreciate the music that Mr. Frontiere did for the 1972 NBC TV show called SEARCH. Being such an authority on genre music, as well as being familiar with the work of Mr. Frontiere-- we're sure you're also familiar with this beautiful theme (this group of SEARCH fans has put together a web page devoted to the show... perhaps you'd like to take a peek-- it's at www.probecontrol.com). We'd be quite interested to know if the theme to SEARCH has been ever released in any recordings in any way, shape, or form? We've heard from a single individual who says he distinctly remembers hearing the theme on a radio station around the time of the series' airing. Was the SEARCH theme, to your knowledge, ever released on, say-- a theme compilation LP at the time? Though we'd be thrilled at the prospect, we know that it is very unlikely that the SEARCH theme or any incidental music from the series would ever generate enough interest to be a profitable venture for GNP CRESCENDO if offered as a CD by itself. Though you'd likely agree that the music that Frontiere recorded for the series' was some excellent work by this talented composer, few remember the one-season wonder called SEARCH. But perhaps the SEARCH theme might be made available some day as a selection on a genre-themed album? And if that never comes to pass-- perhaps there might be a way that interested parties could unearth recordings of the score from this Warner Bros. owned show? And if, by some chance, you are unaware of the answer, how could we go about contacting Mr. Frontiere to find out? Thanks very much for your time, and your consideration of our questions. We wish you continued success, and we look forward to your next wonderful genre' release from GNP CRESCENDO! Thanks-- Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net From: michael beacom Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 2:55 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] We were here I checked my email but I don't find one in which it looked like a definite "go". Sorry. Of course, I think last week messed me up a little more than I have been willing to admit and I've only just started getting a full night's sleep here a week later. Wasn't sure of what night it was until Sunday really. If people would like to try and chat again I am definitely up for it (providing it does not conflict with the nights I have to work.) Sorry again. Michael B. actingman@i... wrote: > Don and I were here...where was everybody else? From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 5:00 am Subject: Re: E-Mail to Neil Norman re: SEARCH score Hi Jim: Enjoyed reading your letter to Neil Norman. I certainly hope you get a response. I heard from Mike Okuda recently. He said he mentioned SEARCH to someone he knows at GNP Crescendo. The person did not know anything about SEARCH, but was reportedly impressed to hear that Leslie Stevens and Dominic Frontiere were associated with it. Everyone put on their thinking caps and figure out a way we can do regular chats--maybe once a month or so--in such a way that everyone knows who's on first. Thanks. :-) Don H. From: Marta Dawes Date: Wed Sep 19, 2001 11:55 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] We were here Let all post the hours we're available and the time zone we're in, and I'll try and work up one hour in there that everyone can join in. Of course, this won't work for those of us in Europe or Australia, but I'll give it my best shot. Marta michael beacom wrote: > > I checked my email but I don't find one in which it looked like a definite > "go". Sorry. > > Of course, I think last week messed me up a little more than I have been > willing to admit and I've only just started getting a full night's sleep here > a week later. Wasn't sure of what night it was until Sunday really. > > If people would like to try and chat again I am definitely up for it > (providing it does not conflict with the nights I have to work.) > > Sorry again. > > Michael B. > > actingman@i... wrote: > > > Don and I were here...where was everybody else? > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Marta Help us save the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world! http://www.saveindianhills.com Sign the Petition to save the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and ask him to reopen the theatre as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and ask them to reopen the theatre, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Save the Indian Hills and Cinerama Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies "The Graveyards of Omaha" http://members.nbci.com/martadawes "The New Twilight Zone" http://members.nbci.com/newtwilzone Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley From: actingman@i... Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 12:05 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] We were here EDT Evenings for the most part...unless something comes up. I hate going anywhere, so I'm always home on the weekends...unless something comes up. I'm sure that was a help. At 06:55 PM 9/19/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Let all post the hours we're available and the time zone we're in, and >I'll try and work up one hour in there that everyone can join in. Of >course, this won't work for those of us in Europe or Australia, but I'll >give it my best shot. > >Marta From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 12:21 am Subject: Re: We were here My schedule is fairly flexible. Most evenings would work between 8 and 11pm EDT. Most weekends are okay, although sometimes conventions, club meetings, and work gigs come up. My other suggestion was to pick like the first or second weekend of each month and have a chat at a pre-announced time on Saturday, then another chat the next day at a pre-announced time on Sunday. Maybe with a different moderator both days. This could be "plan B" if everyone is too scattered to make it work. Anyway, I could probably work within whatever most of the rest of the group decides. Don ----------------------- --- In probe_control@y..., Marta Dawes wrote: > Let all post the hours we're available and the time zone we're in, and > I'll try and work up one hour in there that everyone can join in. Of > course, this won't work for those of us in Europe or Australia, but I'll > give it my best shot. > > Marta From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 1:57 am Subject: Probe Control Chat To quote a well-respected man-- "I could probably work within whatever most of the rest of the group decides." Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net From: ataylor@m... Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 6:23 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Digest Number 284 >And if, by some chance, you are unaware of the answer, how could we go >about contacting Mr. Frontiere to find out? Well Jim... You might try giving John Edward a shot... or a Ouija board. Dominic Frontiere died several years ago.. early '90's I believe. His wife Georgia is still around, obviously. Maybe she has tapes laying about, but I would call that a long shot. I had talked to Neil Norman several years ago about Outer Limits Volume 2 and was assured it would be out by the Spring of 1999.... oh well. He is a nice fellow but a bit wonky, IMO. However, if anyone at all has access to the material it would be him. Let us know what he has to say. thanks Anthony Taylor From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 3:33 pm Subject: British site on SEARCH CONTROL While looking for something else, I ran across a somewhat irreverent British site devoted to television. They do have an article for what the BBC ran as "SEARCH CONTROL." But they don't say when it ran. We have heard it was around 1974 or so. ---------------------------------------------------------- Their home page: http://tv.cream.org/ SEARCH mention: http://tv.cream.org/arks.htm (When you get to this page, you'll have to scroll down a bit to get to:) "SEARCH CONTROL (1972)" BBC/WARNER SEVEN ARTS "FUTURISTIC (for its time) adventure series following the exploits of cyber-sleuths HUGH O'BRIEN, ANTHONY FRANCIOSA and DOUG McCLURE, backed up by irascible controller BURGESS MEREDITH. The gimmick was that the three were linked by radio implants and other groovy gadgets to a central control, where Meredith and his team of chairborne smartarses would use computers to instantly access vital data and pass it instantly to our heroes. The niftiest toy was a tiny TV/multisensor, which could be worn as a ring or a pendant and gave perfect, shake-free images, no matter how badly the wearer was having the crap kicked out of him at the time. The show usually ended with something like the hero for the week (the leads rotated, which was a tad confusing) jetting off into the sunset on a Jumbo he'd rented on a company card ready to join the mile-high club while Meredith wittered into his earhole about how much this airborne shag was costing the firm. ... PERFECTLY PRESERVED IN A 70S TIME BUBBLE OWING TO THE PRIMITIVE COMPUTERS, HAIRSTYLES, PENDANTS FOR MEN AND DOMINIC FRONTIERE'S SCORE." ---------------------------------------- [Don's note: This site gives SEARCH their TV CREAM immortality rating equivilent of 4 stars. To give you an idea of what this means, "Scooby Doo" gets 14 stars. From the looks of things, the fewer stars you get, the better.] From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 3:42 pm Subject: not sure if Dominic Frontiere has died Hello Anthony: Good to hear from you again. I hadn't heard that Dominic Frontiere had died. Anything is possible, but there are articles dated 2000 mentioning Georgia Frontiere (the colorful owner of the LA Rams) and that she was once married to Dominic Frontiere. Some of the articles mention that at least one of her other husbands died back in 1979 of drowning in the surf near their beach home, so this could be where some confusion lies. Here's one such article: Georgia Frontiere Finally Finds Fame on an Odd Route Again, anything is possible. If you happen to have an obit or a death notice online, see if you can send us the URL. I can't find one, but that doesn't mean it might not be lurking out there somewhere. Hopefully we can nail this one down for sure. Take care. :-) Don PS--We are past 1000 posts now, folks. Newbies will have a LOT of reading to do when they find us. From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 4:40 am Subject: SEARCH CONTROL I kind'a liked the writing style on that article! It made me smile! ;) Thanks for sending it along, Don! Jim probecontrol@sigecom.net "SEARCH CONTROL (1972)" BBC/WARNER SEVEN ARTS "FUTURISTIC (for its time) adventure series following the exploits of cyber-sleuths HUGH O'BRIEN, ANTHONY FRANCIOSA and DOUG McCLURE, backed up by irascible controller BURGESS MEREDITH. The gimmick was that the three were linked by radio implants and other groovy gadgets to a central control, where Meredith and his team of chairborne smartarses would use computers to instantly access vital data and pass it instantly to our heroes. The niftiest toy was a tiny TV/multisensor, which could be worn as a ring or a pendant and gave perfect, shake-free images, no matter how badly the wearer was having the crap kicked out of him at the time. The show usually ended with something like the hero for the week (the leads rotated, which was a tad confusing) jetting off into the sunset on a Jumbo he'd rented on a company card ready to join the mile-high club while Meredith wittered into his earhole about how much this airborne shag was costing the firm. ... PERFECTLY PRESERVED IN A 70S TIME BUBBLE OWING TO THE PRIMITIVE COMPUTERS, HAIRSTYLES, PENDANTS FOR MEN AND DOMINIC FRONTIERE'S SCORE." From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 9:29 pm Subject: Re: SEARCH CONTROL Another interesting item about the British review for "SEARCH CONTROL" is this passage: "The show usually ended with something like the hero for the week (the leads rotated, which was a tad confusing) jetting off into the sunset on a Jumbo he'd rented on a company card ready to join the mile-high club while Meredith wittered into his earhole about how much this airborne shag was costing the firm." That was the ending of "Moonrock," an episode we haven't seen yet, although I've sent audio CD's of my 1973 NBC audio to various folks on the list. I'm curious about another item. When they changed the name to "SEARCH CONTROL," did Warner change the opening credits to any great extent? After all, different colored animated SEARCH titles appear throughout, plus they had to change each act's opening and closing bumpers, along with the beginning of the closing credits. That was a good bit of re-editing Warner had to do to have the show air in Britain. And wouldn't it have made better sense to have called it "PROBE CONTROL"? Then again, I'm reminded that some U. S. network shows change the name of the syndicated version while the network version is still running. This happened with "Bonanza," the syndicated version of which was called "Ponderosa." With "The Rockford Files," it was called "Jim Rockford--Private Investigator." With "The Andy Griffith Show," it was called "Andy of Mayberry." And there are other examples. Hopefully some fans in the UK can give us the scoop. More later, Don From: Len_S@b... Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:04 pm Subject: Re: SEARCH CONTROL This wasn't the only US show that suffered a name change in the UK. Top Cat became Boss Cat because the name clashed with a brand of cat food. And Search was the name of a kids news show (or something factual - maybe more of a mini documentary). In neither case were the actual show's credits tampered with at all - just the name in the TV listings magazines! And because the show aired on BBC there were no ad breaks hence no bumpers. It was strange that the BBC bought the show even though ITV (channel 3) had bought the pilot. Somewhere I have yellowed clippings from the TV listings magazines with UK air dates. In those days you had to buy 2 listings magazines: Radio Times listed BBC programmes (BBC1 & BBC2 TV and all BBC radio programmes) while TV Times listed ITV programmes. ITV - "independent television" - was and is broken up into different regions around the country and, although they are fairly consistent about what they show and when, there can be significant differences. One of our big soap operas was at different stages in different regions and, when they decided this was too complicated, regions that were several months behind were given a summary of all the episodes they hadn't seen yet then dropped into the middle of storylines months ahead of the previous day's episode, with old characters gone and new ones they'd never seen before. Ah... the early 70s... 3 TV channels, 2 listings magazines and nothing but snow after midnight. As I haven't seen videos of the US shows, did they have next-episode previews at the end? That is NEVER done here; they are always cut. But one US trick we have picked up on is this weird idea of shrinking the end credits of shows and pushing them to one side while voiceovers and previews of upcoming shows are screened alongside them. Yuk. --- In probe_control@y..., dghprobe3@a... wrote: > Another interesting item about the British review for "SEARCH > CONTROL" is this passage: > > "The show usually ended with something like the hero for the week > (the leads rotated, which was a tad confusing) jetting off into the > sunset on a Jumbo he'd rented on a company card ready to join the > mile-high club while Meredith wittered into his earhole about how > much this airborne shag was costing the firm." > > That was the ending of "Moonrock," an episode we haven't seen yet, > although I've sent audio CD's of my 1973 NBC audio to various folks > on the list. > > I'm curious about another item. When they changed the name > to "SEARCH CONTROL," did Warner change the opening credits to any > great extent? After all, different colored animated SEARCH titles > appear throughout, plus they had to change each act's opening and > closing bumpers, along with the beginning of the closing credits. > That was a good bit of re-editing Warner had to do to have the show > air in Britain. And wouldn't it have made better sense to have > called it "PROBE CONTROL"? > > Then again, I'm reminded that some U. S. network shows change the > name of the syndicated version while the network version is still > running. This happened with "Bonanza," the syndicated version of > which was called "Ponderosa." With "The Rockford Files," it was > called "Jim Rockford--Private Investigator." With "The Andy Griffith > Show," it was called "Andy of Mayberry." And there are other > examples. > > Hopefully some fans in the UK can give us the scoop. > > More later, > > Don From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:50 pm Subject: Len's report on SEARCH CONTROL Thanks for filling in some of the gaps, Len. Very interesting. Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 5:28 am Subject: Re: SEARCH CONTROL --- In probe_control@y..., Len_S@b... wrote: > ...And because the show aired on BBC there were no ad breaks > hence no bumpers. It was strange that the BBC bought the show > even though ITV (channel 3) had bought the pilot. Somewhere I > have yellowed clippings from the TV listings magazines with UK > air dates. > As I haven't seen videos of the US shows, did they have next- > episode previews at the end? -------------------------- Hi Len: Thanks for giving us the scoop on what went on with the BBC's airing of "Search/Search Control." If you do find your old clippings of when the episodes aired in the UK, please pass the information along, particularly the airdates. Sometime in the future, if you get some time, make scans of some of your clippings and post them in our "Files" section. It seems that there were separate deals for the pilot and series in the US as well. We have only seen the pilot here in syndication, but not the series. SEARCH did have "scenes to next week" trailers at the end of each episode when it ran on NBC. None of the Japan or Australia SEARCH videos have any of these. It's tough enough to find videos of episodes with the opening teasers intact! Back in 1973, I managed to audio-tape the NBC reruns of SEARCH and I taped all the scenes to next week they ran. I put them on audio CD and sent them to some list members a while back. We have several of the scenes to next week, but they are the sound only. We also have the audio of some six episodes we still haven't found on video. More later, Don From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Mon Sep 24, 2001 8:55 pm Subject: Search in Britain Hello everyone Hello Don Speaking as someone who saw 'Search' in Britain, I can answer your questions about format rather easily. The basic problem is that you're only used to seeing the American product on American TV. You end up having a preview of the episode, adverts, opening credits, adverts & so forth throughout. In the UK, we don't always get the preview - usually removed to fit the timeslot or if shown on ITV, to make more room for adverts as well. The BBC don't show adverts, so we get a complete episode all the way through. They don't show the preview cos they don't worry too much about keeping the audience glued to their seats. Any US show on the ITV gets 3 or more recently, 4 cos of the satellite channels getting away with it, advert breaks. The best way to compare it is to look at the commercially available videos of TV shows. That's pretty much how we see them on the BBC except when they censor something deemed too violent for the younger generation. This happens a lot with Buffy & an uncut version is shown late at night after protests. Most of us with any sense, tape these & see them at a convenient time later. As I've commented before, I can't recall the opening credits being changed from 'Search' when it was shown in the 70s over here. The name was invariably used to go in the newspapers' TV listings. Oddly enough, I can't ever recall watching the other 'Search' series so can't say much about it. Something I can add to Len the Sasquatch's comments is that I do recall the question of Search & Top Cat's name change appearing in a viewers' question & answer BBC programme called 'Points Of View' led in those days by Robert Robertson. I think it centred more on Top Cat but reference was given to applying to other series as well. As to the difference in which station gets pilot episodes & the regular series, I think it's a matter of marketing. 90 minute pilots are seen more as TV films as opposed to being pilots. We had the 'Nick Knight' pilot on ITV although it never ran to the series on terrestrial TV. It's basically a package of films that appears to be sold periodically & a way for the TV company to make money back or more money by doing it that way. Presumably, if someone at the TV company is aware that some of them are pilots & the viewing figures were good to go after the series although I don't know of a case of that happening in the UK. Gotta go Geoff Willmetts ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.crowsnestbooks.com THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.com THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE Quicker website access?? Try: http://www.computercrowsnestbooks.com *************************************************** From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Wed Sep 26, 2001 2:52 am Subject: Recent pic of Deanna ("Miss Hart") Lund This is NOT my pic, but I thought y'all still might want to see a semi-recent shot of Deanna Lund ("Miss Hart" from THE ADONIS FILE). I spoke with her briefly in Cleveland, and I can attest that's she remains quite an attractive lady... Jim probecontrol@sigecom.net From: Cynthia_Hargraves@P... Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 12:37 am Subject: Dominic Frontiere FYI-Dominic Frontiere is not dead. His credits and date of birth is on the Internet Movie Database (imdb for short) The imdb has bios on virtually everyone in the entertainment industry. The database list the birthdates and the dates they passed away. credits etc. From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Fri Sep 28, 2001 2:43 am Subject: Re: Dominic Frontiere A couple of years ago, before I even joined this list, I recall reading a post on one of the other mailing lists somewhere that Dominic Frontiere had moved out of California and was living in another state, I think it was New Mexico. I've tried doing Internet searches for this, but it's buried in a mailing list somewhere, if the list still exists. I know that he had to have been around up to 1994 because that's when one of his last movie scores, "Color of Night" with Bruce Willis, was released. Also, Dominic Frontiere's CDs and albums show up on eBay from time to time. Right now, eBay is selling a spy series CD with Frontiere's theme from "Vega$," the Robert Urich series of the late 70's: TV Land Crimestoppers PI Themes http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1469084144 Regards, Don