From: "skipster61" Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 9:19 pm Subject: Newby Here... Re: Search revival? I am so excited to be here... You cannot believe! Until this last week, I was sure that I was the only one in the world who knew that the TV series SEARCH existed. Then, while talking to another person, I realized that there were others who remembered the program, and enjoyed it as much as I did. Since before UPN's poor SEARCH imitation (Level Nine), I have dreamed of some sort of revival or sequel to the SEARCH series. I have tried looking on the internet for all sorts of references to the show, but found very little.... until now... Almost ten years ago, I came up with a pilot script for a sequel to SEARCH, and have worked on a preproduction concept for the new series, which would remain faithful to the early episodes of the show. With the flourishing technologies, and fast access to it via the internet, I have believed that this is the time for the series to be renewed, or at least reintroduced to the public. The only thing stopping me from moving forward with this project is that I do not know who currently owns the rights to the material, or if the rights to it (30 years later) are "up for grabs". I have several "insiders" in Hollywood, who are interested in the concept if I can guarantee that the rights are available. Anyone know who might own them currently? I am also looking for VCD copies of the series episodes, or DIVX encoded files that I can download, and any original series scripts, production bibles (guidelines), storyboards, and original production art. Also, please forward to me any web site URLS about the series. Apparently the one good one I found "Probe Control.com" is no longer up and running. Thanks for any help you can give me! I am so excited to be among other PROBE operatives. :) Sincerely, Harlan "Skip" Brown, Jr. Orlando, Florida USA skipster61@earthlink.net From: "Larry Clements" Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 10:05 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Newby Here... Re: Search revival? http://www.probecontrol.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: skipster61 To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 8:19 PM Subject: [probe_control] Newby Here... Re: Search revival? I am so excited to be here... You cannot believe! Until this last week, I was sure that I was the only one in the world who knew that the TV series SEARCH existed. Then, while talking to another person, I realized that there were others who remembered the program, and enjoyed it as much as I did. Since before UPN's poor SEARCH imitation (Level Nine), I have dreamed of some sort of revival or sequel to the SEARCH series. I have tried looking on the internet for all sorts of references to the show, but found very little.... until now... Almost ten years ago, I came up with a pilot script for a sequel to SEARCH, and have worked on a preproduction concept for the new series, which would remain faithful to the early episodes of the show. With the flourishing technologies, and fast access to it via the internet, I have believed that this is the time for the series to be renewed, or at least reintroduced to the public. The only thing stopping me from moving forward with this project is that I do not know who currently owns the rights to the material, or if the rights to it (30 years later) are "up for grabs". I have several "insiders" in Hollywood, who are interested in the concept if I can guarantee that the rights are available. Anyone know who might own them currently? I am also looking for VCD copies of the series episodes, or DIVX encoded files that I can download, and any original series scripts, production bibles (guidelines), storyboards, and original production art. Also, please forward to me any web site URLS about the series. Apparently the one good one I found "Probe Control.com" is no longer up and running. Thanks for any help you can give me! I am so excited to be among other PROBE operatives. :) Sincerely, Harlan "Skip" Brown, Jr. Orlando, Florida USA skipster61@earthlink.net From: "skipster61" Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 10:09 pm Subject: Re: 16mm Episodes of SEARCH?!! --- In probe_control@y..., "Jim Alexander" wrote: > DARN fine sleuthing, Kevin! > > MAN! It makes me ache-- just to know that there are 16mm copies of SEARCH episodes out there--waiting to be run on my projector! :( > > Jim > probecontrol@s... Tell me how to get one of those 16 mm prints through my library system and I will gladly watch one and tell you how good it is. I have access to 16 mm AV equipment. : ) Skip Brown skipster61@earthlink.net From: "skipster61" Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 10:13 pm Subject: Newby Here... Re: Search revival? --- In probe_control@y..., "Larry Clements" wrote: > http://www.probecontrol.com/ Nope. This link doesn't work. Apparently its still offline right now (or some other internet difficulty). Skip From: "crayresearch2001" Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 11:13 pm Subject: NUMBERED FOR DEATH: Don-2's comments... OK Gang, I thought that I'd better compare Grover episodes to Grover episodes, not to compare apples to oranges blah blah blah... Well it's easy to see that the series was really going downhill at this point. I wonder who did Ca-mer-on's hair? It wasn't so much that Probe Control didn't have the same feel as before, they just didn't do anything except ID a couple of photos, and what's this? I hear a ticking time bomb! Burgess Meredith was really OVERACTING, am I the only one who noticed this? He must have known that the show was headed for the slag heap and just wanted to get it over with ASAP. Doug Mclure seemed very comfortable in his role as CR Grover, more so than in SHORT CIRCUIT. Grover points his scanner at a woman and Cameron says something like "I copy you Grover, a readhead" then a while after, Cameron is handed a computer printout which states that the remote computer console was rented out by a redhead. How could Cameron 'get it' before he 'knew it'?? It wasn't only a change of decor at Probe Control, but they must have removed the mainframe also. The brains behind the operation just weren't there anymore. Don-2 PS. SEARCH SCANNER ON EBAY!!!!!! From: "Larry Clements" Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 11:17 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Newby Here... Re: Search revival? Worked for me, that is why I sent it. It didn't work without the www. ----- Original Message ----- From: skipster61 To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 9:13 PM Subject: [probe_control] Newby Here... Re: Search revival? --- In probe_control@y..., "Larry Clements" wrote: > http://www.probecontrol.com/ Nope. This link doesn't work. Apparently its still offline right now (or some other internet difficulty). Skip From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 11:23 pm Subject: Hello Skip --- In probe_control@y..., "skipster61" wrote: > I am so excited to be here... Hi Skip: We are glad to have you. First, I tried probecontrol.com just now and it seems to be down at present, which happens from time to time. AOL & other browsers like to cache pages, so you could try clicking "reload" two or three times and see if that doesn't help. On SEARCH-related URLs and links, we have a bunch of them in our "Bookmarks" section. See the row of links to the left of the home page, or click the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/links If you have any links you can add, feel free. We have a lot of material in our "Files" and there are a few things in the "Photos" section too. Those 16mm prints seem to be part of the Sirsi Library system. Some of their links take you back to the Sirsi home page. But it is not clear to me where the prints are located. Sirsi's main building is located in Huntsville, Ala., but they also have a building in St. Louis. Apparently the films can be checked out, but how does one get a library card? The site doesn't make that clear. One may not be able to get a library card online, you may have to get it in person at the library itself. Another thing is, if this library has SEARCH films, other libraries might have films also. I recommend we scour other libraries' online card catalogs too. Anyway, we do have all of those SEARCH episodes and more on video. Jim Alexander and me will be contacting you about how to get them. Most of these are "rabbit ears" tapes of 35mm quality airings in Australia, though some of them are of 16mm Japanese airings, all of varying quality. The picture varies from pretty good to fair. More later, Don H. From: "Skip Brown" Date: Sun Mar 3, 2002 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Hello Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: dghprobe3 To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 11:23 PM Subject: [probe_control] Hello Skip --- In probe_control@y..., "skipster61" wrote: > I am so excited to be here... Hi Skip: We are glad to have you. And I am glad to be had... :) First, I tried probecontrol.com just now and it seems to be down at present, which happens from time to time. AOL & other browsers like to cache pages, so you could try clicking "reload" two or three times and see if that doesn't help. I read that in one of the earlier posts... Believe it or not, I have been scouring the probe_control elist archives for almost 2 1/2 hours straight! Lots of great stuff there, from over the years... Again, I am excited to be here! Those 16mm prints seem to be part of the Sirsi Library system. Some of their links take you back to the Sirsi home page. But it is not clear to me where the prints are located. Sirsi's main building is located in Huntsville, Ala., but they also have a building in St. Louis. I did some research on this, and found out that my library system may have some sort of transfer agreement with this one. Through a mutual share system, they may be able to send a copy of the film to my library, and thus, let me borrow it for a week. I will have to wait until tomorrow to find out, though. Anyway, we do have all of those SEARCH episodes and more on video. Jim Alexander and me will be contacting you about how to get them. Most of these are "rabbit ears" tapes of 35mm quality airings in Australia, though some of them are of 16mm Japanese airings, all of varying quality. The picture varies from pretty good to fair. I would be very interested in that! All I currently have a 30 year old memories, and a video taped copy of "SEARCH" (aka PROBE) as shown on late night TBS! Thanks! Skip Brown From: "dghprobe3" Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 12:39 am Subject: Re: Hello Skip --- In probe_control@y.., "Skip Brown" wrote: >>>> I did some research on this, and found out that my library system may have some sort of transfer agreement with this one. Through a mutual share system, they may be able to send a copy of the film to my library, and thus, let me borrow it for a week. I will have to wait until tomorrow to find out, though.<<< Skip: It may be a long shot, but if you are able to check out one of those 16mm Search episodes and run it on a projector, let us know. Conversely, if you cannot access them, let us know that too. Ideally, you want to have a professional-type video transfer made. Failing that, you can always try the home-made video camcorder route. Our main curiosities are how the library obtained these prints, what condition the films are in, and what the library's policy is on selling old material. Of the six episodes, they list having two prints each of three: "Short Circuit," "Adonis File" and "Clayton Lewis Document." They have only one print each of "Murrow," "One of Our Probes," and "Mattson." Again we have all six episodes and more available on video, so more info to you on those shortly. From: Jack Bagley Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 5:44 am Subject: The Scanner on eBay Larry... Looks like it's you and me in the bidding for the scanner on eBay... I think I'll back off and let you have this one. It's getting up there beyond what I can comfortably afford. Maybe another one will surface soon... Best... Jack ===== Jack Check out the finest in independent science fiction novels at Fine Line Publishing: http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/AC.html http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/TWLB.html From: "Larry Clements" Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 5:48 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] The Scanner on eBay Sorry, I did not know it was you and put a $100 limit on it. I don;t know how to turn it off. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Bagley To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:44 AM Subject: [probe_control] The Scanner on eBay Larry... Looks like it's you and me in the bidding for the scanner on eBay... I think I'll back off and let you have this one. It's getting up there beyond what I can comfortably afford. Maybe another one will surface soon... Best... Jack ===== Jack Check out the finest in independent science fiction novels at Fine Line Publishing: http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/AC.html http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/TWLB.html From: Jack Bagley Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 9:16 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] The Scanner on eBay --- Larry Clements wrote: > Sorry, I did not know it was you and put a $100 limit on it. I don;t know > how to turn it off. Don't be silly! Go for it! I'll bid on the next one. Jack ===== Jack Check out the finest in independent science fiction novels at Fine Line Publishing: http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/AC.html http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/TWLB.html From: "actingman_jc" Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 9:23 am Subject: Web Site Down Not sure why the site is down. I can FTP into the site so the provider is up. Could be a problem with the .com name that points to the site. Problem is Bryan is on Vacation and is either still in Canada, or is now back here in New York. When I can reach him, I will let him know there is a problem. In the meantime, I will see if I can email Skip the txt files of the scripts that I have scanned. From: "Mark Speck" Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 12:29 am Subject: Belated Welcomes Hi Clyde and Tavis, and welcome to the list! Best, Mark From: actingman@iname.com Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 11:12 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] NUMBERED FOR DEATH: Don-2's comments... I could never tell if it was me or if they did change Cameron's hair in the last 8...or did it change even within those 8. It was different in Moment Of Madness...wasn't it? At 04:13 AM 3/4/2002 +0000, you wrote: >OK Gang, I thought that I'd better compare Grover episodes to Grover >episodes, not to compare apples to oranges blah blah blah... >Well it's easy to see that the series was really going downhill at >this point. I wonder who did Ca-mer-on's hair? It wasn't so much that >Probe Control didn't have the same feel as before, they just didn't >do anything except ID a couple of photos, and what's this? I hear a >ticking time bomb! Burgess Meredith was really OVERACTING, am I the >only one who noticed this? He must have known that the show was >headed for the slag heap and just wanted to get it over with ASAP. >Doug Mclure seemed very comfortable in his role as CR Grover, more so >than in SHORT CIRCUIT. Grover points his scanner at a woman and >Cameron says something like "I copy you Grover, a readhead" then a >while after, Cameron is handed a computer printout which states that >the remote computer console was rented out by a redhead. How could >Cameron 'get it' before he 'knew it'?? It wasn't only a change of >decor at Probe Control, but they must have removed the mainframe >also. The brains behind the operation just weren't there anymore. > >Don-2 > >PS. SEARCH SCANNER ON EBAY!!!!!! From: "Skip Brown" Date: Mon Mar 4, 2002 11:31 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Web Site Down You the man!!! I'm liking being here already! Thanks! Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: actingman_jc To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:23 AM Subject: [probe_control] Web Site Down In the meantime, I will see if I can email Skip the txt files of the scripts that I have scanned. From: crbpony@aol.com Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:21 pm Subject: List How does one get off this list? I have tried to unsubscribe with no success, please help or advise. Thanks Rigby From: "Mark Speck" Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 11:43 pm Subject: Welcome Skip! Hi Skip and welcome to the list! Best, Mark From: "dghprobe3" Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 12:53 am Subject: Cam's hair --- In probe_control@y..., actingman@i... wrote: > I could never tell if it was me or if they did change Cameron's > hair in the last 8...or did it change even within those 8. It was > different in Moment Of Madness...wasn't it? It seems Cam's hair changed somewhat from episode to episode. You can get an idea from the filmclip scans we have posted at http://www.probecontrol.com when it comes back online. One of these days I'll post an article to the files section with comparison pics. --Don H. From: "Skip Brown" Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 12:45 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Welcome Skip! Thanks man. I appreciate that! Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Speck To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:43 AM Subject: [probe_control] Welcome Skip! Hi Skip and welcome to the list! Best, Mark From: "rbrfab" Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 4:48 am Subject: 'Numbered for death' blunder-- or not? I actually thought this was one of the better among the late episodes (though I agree that Probe's online resources are underused). But it's not fair to complain about the redhead business, because that is introduced before the 'We copy, Grover, we see she's a redhead' scene. A little earlier Grover, Trude and Roger Allan's widow are talking and she explains that Roger got a glimpse of the person who came to pick up the blackmail payments. Grover: Did he know him? Could he describe the man? Olivia: It wasn't a man, it was a woman, a redheaded woman. Geddit? Richard From: "tomatprobe" Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 5:59 pm Subject: Again with the hair.... It seems to me Camerons hair changed gradually, but constantly during the whole series. If you remember in "Probe" and "Murrow.." it was black. Then the dye washed out over a couple of episodes, then it was grey. Then they moved the part and it gradually started getting blonder, util...maybe we should open a "Camerons hair poll". I think it looked best, more natural in about the area between "Bullet" and "Packagers". From: "observer345" Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:16 pm Subject: Re: The Scanner on eBay $100? Well, I guess I won't be bidding on it... --- In probe_control@y..., "Larry Clements" wrote: > Sorry, I did not know it was you and put a $100 limit on it. I don;t know how to turn it off. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jack Bagley > To: probe_control@y... > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:44 AM > Subject: [probe_control] The Scanner on eBay > > > Larry... > > Looks like it's you and me in the bidding for the scanner on eBay... > > I think I'll back off and let you have this one. It's getting up there beyond > what I can comfortably afford. Maybe another one will surface soon... > > Best... > > Jack > > ===== > Jack > > Check out the finest in independent science fiction novels at Fine Line Publishing: > http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/AC.html > http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/TWLB.html From: "tomatprobe" Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 7:25 pm Subject: Story blunders? Speaking of blunders, is there one in "Murrow"? When Lockwood follows "Saratoga" out of the club, it turns into a chase with Lockwood being shot at. The agents said they thought he was a robber or something. But werent they waiting for him when he left Probe Control? They knew to follow him when he came out of the building. Whats up with that? Has anyone noticed that one of those agents was the actor that did the voiceovers in Probe Control. He was acually shown doing it in "Goddess". From: "dghprobe3" Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 11:01 pm Subject: Murrow's trigger-happy DFI agents --- In probe_control@y..., "tomatprobe" wrote: > Speaking of blunders, is there one in "Murrow"? When Lockwood > follows "Saratoga" out of the club, it turns into a chase with > Lockwood being shot at. The agents said they thought he was a > robber or something. But werent they waiting for him when he left > Probe Control? They knew to follow him when he came out of the > building. Whats up with that? Has anyone noticed that one of those > agents was the actor that did the voiceovers in Probe Control. He > was acually shown doing it in "Goddess". Tom, it's been awhile since I've seen "Murrow," but I remember one of the reasons the "DFI" agents gave for following Lockwood was because his UN courtesy card was forged, and because he was following a club member. Lockwood (who takes no crap from anyone) cut directly to the chase and hit them with the fact that everyone was nervous because the heat was on about Elliott Murrow. After Lockwood finished roughing them up verbally, they were so impressed they thought he was with CIA. They even admitted covering the action of the club and found them to be skimming. The tables turned so fast I almost got whiplash. :-) I'd have to watch the episode again to see how everything fits together. It may also be interesting to compare to the script because there are always lines and bits of action that differ from what aired. And yes, that was actor Vernon Weddle, the announcer in "Goddess" and one of the main Probe "briefing tape" voices, playing one of the "Murrow" DFI agents. From: "tomatprobe" Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 4:40 pm Subject: Murrow scene I guess my thinking is that since the DFI agents knew who Lockwood was and what he was doing, they would have followed him from the club of course, but knowing he was a Probe agent I dont think they would have fired at him or tried to run him off the road. I think they would have watched to see what he was up to. From: "tomatprobe" Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 4:44 pm Subject: "Madness"madness.. I also wonder where this glass door came from in "Moment of .." It would have taken a little more time but it seems he could have come through a vent or skylight or something. From: "dghprobe3" Date: Thu Mar 7, 2002 10:19 pm Subject: Re: Murrow scene --- In probe_control@y..., "tomatprobe" wrote: > I guess my thinking is that since the DFI agents knew who Lockwood > was and what he was doing, they would have followed him from the > club of course, but knowing he was a Probe agent I dont think they > would have fired at him or tried to run him off the road. I think > they would have watched to see what he was up to. Tom, actually you raise a good question. My guess is that Mr. White advised the DFI guys about Lockwood being with World Securities and gave them the address. The agents were waiting for him to leave the building just after the briefing from "Saratoga." It could be that they act as a courtesy to club members like Mr. White and take action to protect them up to a point. While they worked generally for the club, they weren't necessarily Mr. White's personal henchmen. Their aim in the car chase apparently was to stop Lockwood from following Mr. White. They probably didn't plan to fire at Lockwood or run him off the road, but he may have turned out to be tougher to stop than they expected. When Lockwood explained that he knew all about the Murrow situation, he also gave the impression that he was on the DFI agents' side. They basically replied, "Yeah, we've been watching that sleazy club and they're stealing money off the top." My guess is that they were investigators posing as security agents for the club. The tip off for me is when they confided to Lockwood their grievances about how crooked they knew the place was. At the end of the episode, one of those DFI agents acted like he was an assistant to Lockwood, helping to apprehend Mr. White. And the agent already knew about the overhead lens system. Again, I want to review the episode one day to see better how this all fits together. :-) From: Jack Bagley Date: Fri Mar 8, 2002 5:58 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] "Madness"madness.. --- tomatprobe wrote: > I also wonder where this glass door came from in "Moment of .." It > would have taken a little more time but it seems he could have come > through a vent or skylight or something. > I wondered about this as I re-watched the episode. In the pilot, Probe Control is presented as being harder than Fort Knox to get into; scanning palm prints, etc. So how in the world does Byron just open a glass door behind Cameron (one that is never, ever seen again -- and with some of the shots of the new Probe Control in other episodes it would have been) and kidnap Cameron? Unfortunately, the entire episode is rife with inconsistencies. I have serious doubts that Cameron would be at Probe Control all by himself at 3-something in the morning, recording notes for other Probe agents. (And isn't it an astonishing coincidence how Cameron manages to hit the stop-the-clock button just as Byron clocks him?) The obvious ease with which Byron (or anyone else who got to that particular floor of World Securities) can enter Probe Control is a major fault, especially since the main entrance is on the other side of the room -- and the door Byron uses is never seen before or again. Byron only encounters one electronic eye alarm in the hall? No way. I can buy the glass door behind Cameron's console as a kind of emergency exit, yes. But if it were such, it would be alarm-rigged and it certainly would not give passers-by a view into what is supposed to be World Securities' top-secret department! That being said, "Moment of Madness" is still one of my favorite episodes, primarily because it centers on Cameron. We learn more about this enigmatic man in this one episode than we do in the rest of the entire series. And if, as has been said, Burgess Meredith was simply "phoning in" his performance and was bored with it, in this episode it does not show. He's able to use all of his acting training to great effect. (They did get his name wrong, though, when he's giving name-rank-serial number to Byron...by this point in the series, he's long been established as V.C.R. Cameron, and he left off the "R." every time.) I love his niece's musing that, "When you don't have anyone to talk to, there isn't much to say." It calls up a picture of a man dedicated to his work -- but at the price of personal loneliness. One wonders what Cameron's life would really be like. And that's my two-cents (adjusted for inflation)... ===== Jack Check out the finest in independent science fiction novels at Fine Line Publishing: http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/AC.html http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/TWLB.html From: dghprobe3@aol.com Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 12:37 am Subject: Galactica & Leslie Stevens http://www.battlestargalactica.com/features/articles/archive/2000/dec00a.html The Shadows Lengthen By Susan J. Paxton An article explaining the origins of Battlestar Galactica and Leslie Stevens' connection to the series. From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 12:46 am Subject: Re: Hello Skip > --- In probe_control@y.., "Skip Brown" wrote: > I did some research on this, and found out that my library > system may have some sort of transfer agreement with this one. > Through a mutual share system, they may be able to send a copy of > the film to my library... Hi Skip: Were you ever able to make contact with the library and/or check out any of their SEARCH films? Let us know. Thanks. Don H. From: "rbrfab" Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 10:38 am Subject: Re: "Madness"madness..cam's initials --- In probe_control@y..., Jack Bagley wrote: The initials V.C.R. were introduced in the Probe pilot, and reused at least once, in Gold Machine.Both of those, of course, are Lockwood stories. My guess is they dropped the 'R' in 'Madness' because it's a Grover episode, and they didn't like the idea of VCR repeatedly being used as well as other people's standard form of address to Grover, 'C.R.'. Richard > (They did get his name wrong, though, > when he's giving name-rank-serial number to Byron...by this point in the > series, he's long been established as V.C.R. Cameron, and he left off the "R." > every time.) I love his niece's musing that, "When you don't have anyone to > talk to, there isn't much to say." It calls up a picture of a man dedicated to > his work -- but at the price of personal loneliness. One wonders what > Cameron's life would really be like. > > And that's my two-cents (adjusted for inflation)... > > > > ===== > Jack > > Check out the finest in independent science fiction novels at Fine Line Publishing: > http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/AC.html > http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/TWLB.html From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 10:46 am Subject: Cam's initials A good theory. I always wondered about Cameron's "dangling" R... and whether it was used outside the Pilot. Thanks, Jack. Jim probecontrol@sigecom.net ----- Original Message ----- From: rbrfab To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 9:38 AM Subject: [probe_control] Re: "Madness"madness..cam's initials --- In probe_control@y..., Jack Bagley wrote: The initials V.C.R. were introduced in the Probe pilot, and reused at least once, in Gold Machine.Both of those, of course, are Lockwood stories. My guess is they dropped the 'R' in 'Madness' because it's a Grover episode, and they didn't like the idea of VCR repeatedly being used as well as other people's standard form of address to Grover, 'C.R.'. Richard From: Jack Bagley Date: Sat Mar 9, 2002 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Cam's initials Actually, Richard posted what you quoted; he was responding to my original post. So I accept the thanks on his behalf. Does anyone know what the "V.C.R." stood for? We know that C.R. Grover's full name is Christopher Robin; what was Cameron's? And does anyone else feel like it might have actually been a kind of in-joke -- VCR camera; V.C.R. Cameron? Or am I slightly loopy here? Jack --- Jim Alexander wrote: > A good theory. > > I always wondered about Cameron's "dangling" R... and whether it was used > outside the Pilot. > > Thanks, Jack. > > Jim > probecontrol@sigecom.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rbrfab > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 9:38 AM > Subject: [probe_control] Re: "Madness"madness..cam's initials > > > --- In probe_control@y..., Jack Bagley wrote: > The initials V.C.R. were introduced in the Probe pilot, and reused at > least once, in Gold Machine.Both of those, of course, are Lockwood > stories. My guess is they dropped the 'R' in 'Madness' because it's a > Grover episode, and they didn't like the idea of VCR repeatedly being > used as well as other people's standard form of address to Grover, > 'C.R.'. > Richard > > > > ===== Jack Check out the finest in independent science fiction novels at Fine Line Publishing: http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/AC.html http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/TWLB.html From: "kevin_searchprobe" Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 2:49 am Subject: Re: Cam's initials --- In probe_control@y..., Jack Bagley wrote: > Actually, Richard posted what you quoted; he was responding to my original > post. So I accept the thanks on his behalf. > > Does anyone know what the "V.C.R." stood for? Video Computerized Recording, of course! I don't think we could rule out an in-joke, considering Stevens nicknamed him Cam. The term VCR was probably in use already. From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 4:43 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Cam's initials, hair & BE Gentlemen (as no ladies seem to be in on this argument) I doubt if any of the 'Search' stories would stand up to intense scrutiny without some major error or logic surfacing. I had a quick look up the Cinemania'96 filmography of Burgess Meredith for that period where he did no film work. I can't see him being that idle even doing TV series - anyone got any info on his TV or stage appearances for his time on 'Search'?? TV contracts would probably prohibit him from appearing on other TV series, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did some stage work & hence his hair colour varying. A lot of Probe technology appeared in Mission: Impossible including a miniature camera & implanted earjack. None of this demotes Leslie Stevens' work either as M:I used it once or twice & then went onto something else. The only real thing it indicates is that there is nothing new under the sun only in how its used in a series. Surely it would be better to enjoy 'Search' for what it was - a rather innovative series of its time than nit-pick something that can't possibly be changed one way or the other now?? Re: VCR Cameron. I always assumed his first name was Victor. Not many V's to choose from really. I agree that it probably stood for Video Camera Recorder though. As 'Madness' indicates the CIA connection & Christian names are forgotten, it's no wonder he gets referred to as 'Cam'. What is of more concern is what did the 'B.E.' in PROBE stand for?? Programmed Retrieval Operations By Electronics is my guess as the first three letters represent Search, the 'B.E.' has to be the actual means. Does anyone think Angel Tompkins might know?? Gotta go. Geoff Willmetts ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.crowsnestbooks.com THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.com THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE Quicker website access?? Try: http://www.computercrowsnestbooks.com *************************************************** From: "actingman_jc" Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:45 am Subject: Probe site is back www.probecontrol.com is back up. I did find one bad link...the viewmaster booklet scans are not coming up...so either I or Bryan will fix it...as soon as one of us can get to it to figure out why it isn't working. But the Viewmaster pictures themselves are coming in just fine. So if there are any new members who found this list in the last couple of weeks...but couldn't get to the site, you may go there now. And of course let us know if anything isn't working. From: crbpony@aol.com Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:54 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Probe site is back I enjoyed this site for a while, but now am ready to move on. I have tried to do this through Yahoo, but it won't unsubscribe me. Can you help? Thanks Rigby From: "actingman_jc" Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:54 am Subject: Probe List, and others, will be down this weekend Yahoo is doing maintance this weekend...so send any Probe messages out before the times listed in the message below. Dear Yahoo! Groups Members, The Yahoo! Groups service will be down Friday March 15 9:00 PM PST (GMT-8) as we move our servers to a new facility. We expect the service to be back up the morning of Sunday March 17. During this time the web site will be unavailable and email will not be delivered. (Some users may experience email non-delivery notices, but all email should be delivered once service has resumed.) Please note: once the service is back up, there will be email delays due to backlog. We expect these delays to last no longer than 1 day. Please do not re-send email to your group as it will only add to delays. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. The Yahoo! Groups Team From: "tomatprobe" Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 5:49 pm Subject: Dabney Maybe all this was hashed out before I can on board, but last night I was watching "Suffer My Child" with my better half of course, and noticed something odd during the opening credits. I had to reverse the tape for a second look to be sure. There was a picture of an actress (portraying Lynn Wheatley) with the name Dabney Coleman under the picture. I thought Dabney play Desmond, the confidential secretary. Is this a blunder? As many times as I've seen this episode I can't believe I havent caught this until now. From: dmanmetz@aol.com Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:13 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Dabney Yes, that is correct. I caught this about a year ago. I think I mentioned this to Don in a chat room and I belive he or someone else posted on the message board. A younger head full of hair Dabney Coleman guest starred on Suffer my Child. He is best known as being the boss from the movie 9 to 5 or the two critically aclaimed comdies he starred in the 80's, Buffulo Bill and The Slap Maxwell story. I guess the editors weren't paying attention when they put together the credits for this edisode. Chris From: dghprobe3@aol.com Date: Wed Mar 13, 2002 10:33 pm Subject: 'Suffer My Child' & Dabney Coleman Earlier in the list, I made a post about the Dabney Coleman opening credits error in "Suffer My Child": http://groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/490 If this link doesn't work, look for post # 490. The video grab of the credits error is at this link: Download If that link doesn't work, go to post # 490 and click the "Download" link at the bottom of the page. Back then, Dabney Coleman was fairly unknown. They would NOT make that mistake nowadays, however. :-) From: "actingman_jc" Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:27 am Subject: Reminder about Yahoo maintance this weekend Please note: Yahoo Groups will be down for maintenance starting tonight (Friday) at 9:00 PM until Sunday March 17. Group email service and web services will be UNAVAILABLE. --John DETAILS The Yahoo! Groups service will be down Friday March 15 9:00 PM PST (GMT-8)as we move our servers to a new facility. We expect the service to be back up the morning of Sunday March 17. During this time the web site will be unavailable and email will not be delivered. (Some users may experience email non-delivery notices, but all email should be delivered once service has resumed.) Please note: once the service is back up, there will be email delays due to backlog. We expect these delays to last no longer than 1 day. Please do not re-send email to your group as it will only add to delays. From: dghprobe3@aol.com Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 1:56 am Subject: Cam--we've been Archived! Hey folks, we've been archived. Some of you may have heard that someone has archived various aspects of the Internet since 1996. Well, I found the site and they have several backups of earlier versions of our beloved www.probecontrol.com. Cam himself would be fascinated. I haven't had a chance to do many other searches, but I'm sure our members will find some jewels here and there. If there are some URLs buried in our mailing list which no longer work, try www.archive.org and see if they have the page you seek: http://www.archive.org/ http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.probecontrol.com Feb 23, 2001 * Apr 01, 2001 Apr 02, 2001 Apr 04, 2001 Apr 18, 2001 May 15, 2001 Jul 20, 2001 Sep 25, 2001 Nov 27, 2001 From: "Farble S. Rickney" Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 12:55 pm Subject: How do I get episodes? Could someone with Search episodes burned to CD please mail me? I've been waiting since 1972 to see the last 30 minutes of each of them. Thanks. From: "mstr_spockswm" Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 11:05 pm Subject: Search Scanner Just a quick question from a newbie here. Does anyone know when another Scanner will be up for bid on Ebay? Thanks. From: "Larry Clements" Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 11:09 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Search Scanner Nope, the last one was won in the last 20 seconds. ----- Original Message ----- From: mstr_spockswm To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:05 PM Subject: [probe_control] Search Scanner Just a quick question from a newbie here. Does anyone know when another Scanner will be up for bid on Ebay? Thanks. From: "crayresearch2001" Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 9:07 am Subject: 1973 Doug Mclure TV Guide on Ebay. Well I just couldn't help it. I bid on this Ebay item and I will scan it and upload to files if I win it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1086356510 For anyone who is interested, there is also a Search TV Guide poster being sold on Ebay by a mysterious Probe agent: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1525242475 Don-2 From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 9:08 am Subject: RE: [probe_control] 1973 Doug Mclure TV Guide on Ebay. Great find! I'm amazed at the amount of info out there that seems to turn up. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com Home of "The Graveyards of Omaha" and "The New Twilight Zone" websites as well as "Memories of the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska" The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world Demolished August 20, 2001 for absolutely no reason by Methodist Health Systems Sign the Petition to protest the demolition of the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and tell him the theatre should have been reopened as a working film venue. Email comments@bestcare.org, Methodist's website, and tell them the theatre should have been saved, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Indian Hills and Cinerama and Widescreen Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley -----Original Message----- From: crayresearch2001 [mailto:don@securenet.net] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 8:07 AM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: [probe_control] 1973 Doug Mclure TV Guide on Ebay. Well I just couldn't help it. I bid on this Ebay item and I will scan it and upload to files if I win it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1086356510 For anyone who is interested, there is also a Search TV Guide poster being sold on Ebay by a mysterious Probe agent: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1525242475 Don-2 From: dmanmetz@aol.com Date: Sun Mar 24, 2002 3:34 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] 1973 Doug Mclure TV Guide on Ebay. Wow! Great find. Every time I saw Search advertised, it was always Hugh O'brian on the cover. If you should win the TV guide, would love to know what Mr. McClure says in the article, if there is one. I just won a SEP 1972 TV week with the premiere of Search. I'm gonna scan the picture of Hugh O'brian, Capucine, and Maurice Evens. Stay tuned. Chris From: actingman@iname.com Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 11:47 pm Subject: OT: Fwd: Yahoo Groups changes privacy policy Passing this along. It's true...I was suddenly signed up for all sorts of garbage. But not anymore. >Just a heads up, I recieved this on a non-Yahoo list, >and checked for myself. It's true. >Elizabeth also did for herself, and she had the same >default "YES" settings. > >You need to log in as laid out below to re-correct these >'spam' settings. > >Feel free to forward this on to any other Yahoo user that >you know of. > > > >OT: YahooGroups advertising > > >Arria >Sapphire Than posted March 29, 2002 02:20 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - >I know a lot of us here are on, or run, mailing lists on YahooGroups >(and formerly YahooClubs). I just received an email and have >already been to the site to change my settings. > >quote: >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ - >Just in case any of you, like me, had not yet received a notice from >Yahoo, you might want to know that Yahoo "updated" their privacy >policy. What this means to you is that the marketing preferences >you indicated have been reset by Yahoo to make it okay for them to >send you spam. >If you'd like to "fix" that, go up to the Yahoogroups website and log >in. Click on Account Info (it's at the upper right of the screen). >You'll >need to put your password in again, and then click on "Edit >Marketing Preferences." Change all the options to No, and don't >forget the two towards the bottom of the page about phone and >snail mail spam. Click the button to save it. When you are returned >to the previous page, also click the Finished button at the top or >bottom of the page. > >You must do this for every account you have. From: dghprobe3@aol.com Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 10:07 pm Subject: Feb 2000 Random Phone Notes Random phone notes on SEARCH Don & Tom Harden Feb. 26, 2000 (Some notes made during a phone conversation with my brother Tom over two years ago. Although some of the early points have been mentioned on the list, I thought folks might find some of the later points interesting.) We noted that there were only 8 members of the SEARCH eGroups mailing list at the time (now known as Yahoo! Groups). We just received the "Search" tapes, the ones from Australia airings. They are from good prints but with bad reception. Taped off regular antenna, not cable quality. Overall better than the AFN airings. The sound is crisp, clear and in hi-fi. If we had a choice, we'd rather have Encore's Mystery Channel run "Search" than the Sci-Fi Channel or TVLand. Mystery Channel runs shows uncut without commercials. Sci-Fi cuts shows for more commercials and promos. You don't cut entertainment shows for large numbers of promos. Otherwise, it would be great if we could get Columbia House to sell videos of the series. The Australian "Search" episodes seem to be "speeded up" slightly by computer. (This is even more notable with "The Bullet.") Halfway through "Short Circuit," the picture gets fuzzy and fades somewhat into static but it clears up after a few minutes. Since we've had the audios to some of these shows since 1973, it was kind of strange watching especially "Short Circuit" and "Let Us Prey." You knew what the audio would be in terms of dialog and music, but you didn't know quite what to anticipate visually. So it was familiar but different at the same time. Even though we heard the episodes many times, we only saw them once back in '72 or '73. (VCRs didn't come into vogue with the average American until the early 1980s. The earliest Betamaxes didn't come out until 1976 and those cost over $1,000 each.) The portion at the end of the opening credits of "Murrow Disappearance" is somewhat different from the later episodes. The boxes showing the scenes of the different Probe agents are arranged a little differently, but I think the same scenes appear in the boxes. The music heard during the opening and closing credits of "Murrow" sounds a little different than the later episodes. There is more of an echo or a richer sound in the "Murrow" opening credits music. Back in 1986, we found nine "Search" episodes. Jim Alexander of the "Search" group has six of those off eBay. For some reason, "Suffer My Child," "Countdown to Panic," and "Goddess of Destruction" don't show up among the different tape traders we have contacted. The Australia tapes have the commercials cut out. The closing credits have an announcer with an Australian accent promoting the next show coming up. In "Let Us Prey," Tom noticed that when Bianco throws the rifle in the water, an oil slick or something appears to rise to the surface. Or it could have been dark muddy sediment that got disturbed as the rifle hit the bottom. We have filmclips of Grover from "Short Circuit" catching a fish and pulling the hook out of it on the beach. We also have filmclips of Grover driving with a girl in an orange jeep, footage we've never seen in any of the episodes. On the subject of TV closing credits in general, in the old days, it was a chance to run the show's theme once again as a sort of fade out with a simple voiceover announcing the next show coming up (i.e. Ed McMahon giving the guest list of that night's "Tonight Show.") Nowadays, the tendency is to have a split screen or small box where the credits appear (generally illegible), while usually a very loud promo dominates the rest of the screen. Tom said he prefers the old way. Don said it unfortunately makes the networks and stations appear even greedier, desparate to squeeze one last promo during the show's closing credits. Tom mentioned that shows like "Friends" have dialog scenes that run into and concurrently with the closing credits. But when local stations air the repeats, they put the video in a small box, cut off the audio and run a promo in the rest of the screen. The way "Friends" was written, generally the punch line for the entire episode was in those scenes during the closing credits, which are always lost when stations do that promo overlay thing. What is frustrating is that you can see the action in that little box in the corner of the screen, but you can't hear what the characters are saying. If you followed the show in it's original run, you knew that often the best lines were during those closing scenes. Don pointed out that unfortunately the public has brought this on themselves somewhat. How many times have you gone to a movie theatre and just as a hint of closing credits begin, a number of people get up and quickly leave? Very few will sit through a movie's closing credits, even if bloopers, outtakes, bonuses, additional dialogue or a final punch line are included. *End Run* From: "rbrfab" Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 10:28 am Subject: Re: Hello Skip Hey, Don or Skip or anyone, what about this question of the library that has 'Search' episodes? Any progress on that front? And another possible lead that seems to have been lost sight of: last summer, in messages 789-90 or so there was a discussion of a TV distribution site which listed some Search episodes and might give access to people who are members of something called NATPE. A list member called D Boysen said he might be able to qualify for that in time. Is he still with us? If so isn't this worth pursuing? One of the episodes they had is 'Moonrock' which is my priority AA choice for our next discovery. At present, though, I can't seem to get access to this site through the URL given in message 789. Does anyone have anything new on this, or a more recent URL? happy Easter Richard --- In probe_control@y..., "dghprobe3" wrote: > > --- In probe_control@y.., "Skip Brown" wrote: > > I did some research on this, and found out that my library > > system may have some sort of transfer agreement with this one. > > Through a mutual share system, they may be able to send a copy of > > the film to my library... > > Hi Skip: Were you ever able to make contact with the library and/or > check out any of their SEARCH films? Let us know. Thanks. > > Don H. From: actingman@myrealbox.com Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 3:12 pm Subject: My change of address My permanent, free Iname address is going the way of the dodo. For those who keep track, please change my email address to actingman@myrealbox.com It is up and working. My iname address will supposedly still work, but only deliver mail to a web account, which I won't be checking often. John From: "tomatprobe" Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 3:54 pm Subject: "Short Circut" In "Short Circut", about in the middle, the picture quality diminishes considerably. It looks like the person taping this episode had a motorized T.V anteanna,that premitted the anteanna to rotate a full 180 degrees in order to find the strongest signal for each station. We had one of these and I remember how it looked when the motor was turning. In "Short Circut" the picture gradually gets better after returning from a commercial break. I think during the break the taper decided to see if he could improve reception and was caught with his pants down when the break ended sooner than anticipated. I used one of these gadgets as late as 1985. Its still on my roof, however the wires have rotted and I doubt it would work agian. I havent tried it since I had cable installed. From: actingman@myrealbox.com Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] "Short Circut" Although, as I was taught many years ago...nothing beats a good roof antenna with a clear line of site of the transmission tower. Under such ideal conditions, I would tape off the antenna rather then the cable every time. But that's under those ideal conditions. Here in good ol' NYC with buildings in the way...the cable has to do it. At 08:54 PM 3/30/2002 +0000, you wrote: >In "Short Circut", about in the middle, the picture quality >diminishes considerably. It looks like the person taping this episode >had a motorized T.V anteanna,that premitted the anteanna to rotate a >full 180 degrees in order to find the strongest signal for each >station. We had one of these and I remember how it looked when the >motor was turning. In "Short Circut" the picture gradually gets >better after returning from a commercial break. I think during the >break the taper decided to see if he could improve reception and was >caught with his pants down when the break ended sooner than >anticipated. I used one of these gadgets as late as 1985. Its still >on my roof, however the wires have rotted and I doubt it would work >agian. I havent tried it since I had cable installed. From: actingman@myrealbox.com Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 9:48 pm Subject: I've yet to see her on Search In August of 1998, I got the following email: _________________ I saw your post about the Search series on SFC's Dominion Bulletin Board (obviously, since this note originates from there). It sounds as if you are the best informed person about this show in the country. I have interview material from Grayson Hall (a New York actress about whom I'm writing a biography--she was on Dark Shadows for four years) about appearing in an episode of Search. I have seen published credits in two reputable publications for the entire series and neither mentions her appearance on the program. Do you know whether any episodes were filmed that were never broadcast? If you can shed any light at all on this, I would be very grateful, and, if you wish, will acknowledge your assistance in my book. _________________ I wrote back to him saying I did not know and he responded: _________________ John, Many thanks for taking the time write. Unfortunately, Grayson Hall passed away in 1985, so I can't interview her now about it. Even at the time, she showed little interest in the show. The material I have is from her fan club's newsletter, and no episode title or air date was ever given. She kept saying she didn't know any details about the episode. I get the impression it wasn't a very good or interesting experience for her. I would be happy to share the xeroxes of the credit lists I have been able to find. My guess is that it might have been a minor role or even a cameo. After hearing about Grayson's appearance on Kojak for years, when I finally got hold of the episode, her footage took up only four minutes or so of the total thing. Kind of disappointing. __________________ We are still mising a few of the episodes, so either I have missed her in the credits, or she did not receive on-screen credit, or she is in one of the remaining episodes we hope to track down. I did a Google search and a IMDB search...both of which came up with nothing. Actually Google came up with mostly college residences. From: "observer345" Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 2:58 pm Subject: Re: I've yet to see her on Search I was a big Dark Shadows fan in my youth. I used to run home from school to watch it. I don't recall Dr. Julia Hoffman... er... Grayson Hall being in any episode of Search. Of course, it's been the 70's since I've seen any Search except the pilot. I'd suggest this guy try her husband (he was a writer on Dark Shadows) or her Son, but he's doubtless covered these bases. --- In probe_control@y..., actingman@m... wrote: > In August of 1998, I got the following email: > > _________________ > I saw your post about the Search series on SFC's Dominion Bulletin Board > (obviously, since this note originates from there). It sounds as if you are > the best informed person about this show in the country. > I have interview material from Grayson Hall (a New York actress about whom > I'm writing a biography--she was on Dark Shadows for four years) about > appearing in an episode of Search. I have seen published credits in two > reputable publications for the entire series and neither mentions her > appearance on the program. Do you know whether any episodes were filmed > that were never broadcast? If you can shed any light at all on this, I > would be very grateful, and, if you wish, will acknowledge your assistance > in my book. > _________________ > > > I wrote back to him saying I did not know and he responded: > > > _________________ > John, Many thanks for taking the time write. Unfortunately, Grayson Hall > passed away in 1985, so I can't interview her now about it. Even at the > time, she showed little interest in the show. The material I have is from > her fan club's newsletter, and no episode title or air date was ever given. > She kept saying she didn't know any details about the episode. I get the > impression it wasn't a very good or interesting experience for her. > I would be happy to share the xeroxes of the credit lists I have been able > to find. My guess is that it might have been a minor role or even a cameo. > After hearing about Grayson's appearance on Kojak for years, when I > finally got hold of the episode, her footage took up only four minutes or > so of the total thing. Kind of disappointing. > __________________ > > > We are still mising a few of the episodes, so either I have missed her in > the credits, or she did not receive on-screen credit, or she is in one of > the remaining episodes we hope to track down. > > I did a Google search and a IMDB search...both of which came up with nothing. > > Actually Google came up with mostly college residences.