From: Mark Hall Date: Tue Oct 1, 2002 1:54 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Oldtvseries.com links to us now Well done! this is really good news! The more people that get to know about Search the better. TV stations must surely trawl the internet at times trying to find old reruns which we the public might like to watch. So maybe an innovative TV executive might think to himself..."Hmmm yes lets give this one a try"! :-) I wait with hope! --- dghprobe3@a... wrote: > HREF="http://www.oldtvseries.com/">http://www.oldtvseries.com/ > > A startpage for old TV series which I found a day or > so ago. They did not > have "Search" or probecontrol.com listed, so I told > them about us. Today I > checked and they were nice enough to add a link to > us. :-) > > The link for "Search" is inside the first box for > "Action" shows, about > halfway down that box on the left side of the page. > > Folks can email them through a link near the bottom > of the page to suggest > sites for other TV shows, or use this link: > > HREF="http://www.oldtvseries.com/suggestasite.htm">http://www.oldtvseries.com/su\ ggestasite.htm From: yorktowncmdr@a... Date: Tue Oct 1, 2002 4:57 pm Subject: PROBE Here are two possibilities for the meaning of PROBE: Programmed Retrieval Operations by Electronics or Programmed Retrieval Operations by Eavesdropping LOL. From: "dghprobe3" Date: Tue Oct 1, 2002 5:33 pm Subject: Re: PROBE Hi: Yes, someone suggested those and others earlier on this list but I don't think anyone ever nailed down exactly what Leslie Stevens had in mind for the "B.E." The way a lot of the episodes turned out, my favorite is "by Breaking and Entering." :-) -------------------------------------- --- In probe_control@y..., yorktowncmdr@a... wrote: > Here are two possibilities for the meaning of PROBE: > > Programmed Retrieval Operations by Electronics or > > Programmed Retrieval Operations by Eavesdropping > > LOL. From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Tue Oct 1, 2002 11:01 pm Subject: RE: [probe_control] Re: Search stars at the TZ Con Thanks. I had a bunch of fun writing it, because we had such a good time there. If they have another one we're definitely going, if we can possibly afford it. Neither one of us can remember having such a good time on vacation. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com Home of "The Graveyards of Omaha" and "The New Twilight Zone" websites as well as "Memories of the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska" The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world Demolished August 20, 2001 for absolutely no reason by Methodist Health Systems Sign the Petition to protest the demolition of the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and tell him the theatre should have been reopened as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and tell them the theatre should have been saved, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Indian Hills and Cinerama and Widescreen Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley -----Original Message----- From: dghprobe3 [mailto:dghprobe3@a...] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:23 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: [probe_control] Re: Search stars at the TZ Con --- In probe_control@y..., "Marta Dawes" wrote: > Here is the link to the page I've put up about our trek to California for the TZ con, if anyone is interested... > > http://www.steveandmarta.com/graveyards/tzcon.htm Marta: Excellent job on the TZ con article and photos. Everyone on the SEARCH list should take a look. It's like catching up with old friends at a reunion. (It will take a minute or so for all the pictures to load, but it's well worth it.) Please let us know whenever you post another such article. :-) From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 4:55 am Subject: SEARCH - Unknown Scenes In scanning the SEARCH filmclips, I sometimes run across scenes I don't recognize. This can be either because it is test footage, leftovers from scenes that were used, unused scenes, stock footage, or footage from newsreels or other shows. Posted in our "Files" section are scenes that came with the Lincoln Enterprises SEARCH filmclips over the years which I cannot identify. The hope is that someone on the mailing list will be able to figure out what these scenes represent. Thanks to anyone who can help. :-) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/files/SEARCH%20Articles%20by%20Don%20Harden/unknowns01.htm From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 6:31 am Subject: Grover's Corvette travels baggage Hello everyone Here's a poser for those of you working your way through the episodes. In 'Honeymoon To A Kill', Grover flies into Switzerland with a flight bag & suitcase. The car he drives around in before he has to change it is his orange corvette - complete with the speed stripe & personalised number plates - from his first episode 'Short Circuit'. I know World Securities can arrange things quickly but it's either an interesting mistake on the production side or Grover carries his car in his suitcase for times when he needs to get away. :-) By the by, are there any 1970s model kits of Corvettes available Stateside?? Outside of the scanner, it's probably one of the few odd things used regularly in the series that could be made up. Gotta go Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** 'SFCrowsnest.com PageRanked by Google as the 3rd most popular science fiction site on the Internet' Commissioning Editor: http://www.crowsnestbooks.com THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.com THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE Quicker website access?? Try: http://www.computercrowsnestbooks.com *************************************************** From: dmanmetz@a... Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 10:55 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Grover's Corvette travels baggage I had my thoughts on this one also. One logical explanation would be that Grover had the Corvette Stingray loaded on the airplane, but since he switched planes at the last minute, it wouldn't make sense that he had his Corvette on ground waiting for him. Also, in the other episodes, every time a Probe traveled they had a rental car. Examples: The Murrrow Disappearance (Mustang), Numbered for Death (Porscha 911/ Datsun Z),The Clayton Lewis Document and The Mattson Papers (Large ugly 70's town cars for Bianco). Remember also that Lockwood had his Mercedes transported in the Bullet. I'm sure the producers didn't plan it this way but a "Honeymoon to Kill" and "The Bullet" could explain why Grover has 1973 Corvette with no racing stripe in "Moment of Madness" and "Godess of Destruction" and why Lockwood has a Dark blue Mercedes in Countdown to Panic. They both had to leave their automobiles in country in order to escape from the bad guys. Back to the original question/ why did Grover have his car? The writers wrote a cool chase scene in the script and needed a cool car for the chase. Answer: A 1972 Yellow Corvette Stingray with a racing stripe! :) Chris From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 4:13 pm Subject: TVparty.com spotlights SEARCH Well, folks, it's official. TVparty.com has a new article featuring our favorite series. You can go to the home page and click on the "Search" banner Billy Ingram created using some of the slidescans I sent him. It is the current centerpiece of the TVparty homepage: http://tvparty.com/ To go to the SEARCH article directly: http://tvparty.com/recsearch.html Billy left some space on the right side of the page under Doug McClure's picture. This is reserved for any commentary that might come in for this article, so everyone on the SEARCH Mailing List has a chance to contribute their reactions. Send comments to this link: mailto:tvparty@bellsouth.net A few months ago, everyone might recall that I posted a first draft article for TVparty, which is still in our Files section. For folks who want to see the first version of this article, go to: SEARCHtvparty1.htm Anyway, I submitted it to Billy Ingram, who runs the TVparty site. He immediately liked the article, saying that he'd been getting SEARCH requests for years. But he'd never seen any episodes of the series. He suggested some changes and additions and ended up with the article as it appears now. The idea is to introduce and tease SEARCH to folks who have never heard of it before, as well as be an accurate nostalgia piece for folks like us who do remember the series. So anything you folks want to add or feel I should have mentioned can submit it to Billy and if space allows, he will add it to the page. If this doesn't help SEARCH get on cable or with Columbia House, I'll eat my proverbial hat. The point is to keep plugging away and keep trying. Anyway, I hope everyone enjoys. :-) --Don H. From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 10:05 pm Subject: Fwd: Question about 'The Bullet' http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_outer_limits_1960s/message/3169 ----------------------------- (From the Outer Limits mailing list, Thomas poses a question about "The Bullet." I told him I'd pass his question along to the SEARCH group as I don't know the answer. Thanks to anyone who knows. :-) ----------------------------- Hello agent Don, Just read your (TVparty) report on SEARCH... Well done... Keep on... Stop... More seriously, I was interested in the script of an episode titled "The Bullet", which reminds me the outlines of a famous 1950's Film Noir: "D.O.A." (1) starring Edmond O'Brien. The Studio even fashioned a remake in the late 1980's with Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan. ***End run... Tom R... [1] Dead On Arrival... From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 10:49 pm Subject: Geoff asks about Corvette model kits I'm checking with my local hobby shop to see if any early 70's Corvette model kits are available. This guy'll know if any are. Anyone who's potentially interested in a kit should write me at the e-mail address below, and IF any are available, I'll order the appropriate number... Thanks-- Jim Alexander probecontrol@s... ----------------------------------------------- > By the by, are there any 1970s model kits of Corvettes available > Stateside?? Outside of the scanner, it's probably one of the few odd things > used regularly in the series that could be made up. > > Gotta go > Geoff From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Thu Oct 3, 2002 11:14 pm Subject: 'The Bullet' vs. D.O.A. >... I was interested in the script of an episode titled "The Bullet", which reminds me the outlines of a famous 1950's Film Noir: "D.O.A." starring Edmond O'Brien. The Studio even fashioned a remake in the late 1980's with Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan. --------------------------------- Purely from memory Tom, (both versions of) 'D.O.A.' have in common with 'THE BULLET' the plot point that the protagonist has been poisoned, has a certain specified time to live, and must essentially solve the riddle of how to save his own life. If memory serves, there is no 'bullet' involved in the movies, and the film's stars have swallowed poison. The original 1950 film is highly regarded. Below, I've pasted a review from an outside source, purely for the reading enjoyment of anyone who cares to learn a bit more about the original film. The 1988 Dennis Quaid vehicle is not nearly as widely respected, though during a quick glance, I see that Roger Ebert seemed to like it quite a bit. His review of the film appears underneath the first one. Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 May 2002 Summary: Perhaps the best noir ever made I hate formal film evaluation lists that ostentatiously rate the relative value of certain films, such as Citizen Kane for example. I do think Citizen Kane is a great film. But I also think that about fifteen or twenty other films I could quickly name are every bit as good as Kane in their own way. (Almost any Richard Gere movie, for example. Just kidding.) This brings me to D.O.A., directed by Rudolf Maté. D.O.A. in my book is the Citizen Kane of the noirs. It's so good that I often wonder about how it got made in the first place. Since many of the people who were involved in its production are now no longer with us, I may never learn anything about its origins. That's a frustration, of course, but the more important thing is that I can recognize a great noir when I see it. Why, you ask, is D.O.A. a great noir? The most obvious reason is its plot. A guy goes out for a night on the town and someone, a total stranger, slips him a mickey in a bar-a lethal mickey. But it doesn't kill him instantly. It kills him slowly, so slowly that he's given the chance to find out who did this terrible thing to him, and why. Second, the film is exceptionally well made in every other respect. Okay, the Pamela Britton character is one dimensional and embarrassing, we all agree on that, but who really cares when everything else in the film is so good? Edmond O'Brien had one of the best roles of his career in D.O.A., and he took full advantage, though few critics give his performance much credit for the film's success. O'Brien, a classically trained actor, plays a small-time Southern California businessman living his ordinary little life, minding his own business, regularly boffing his secretary (this was implied rather than made explicit; after all, this was 1949), and avoiding her whiney entreaties that they tie the knot, as he's been promising her he would do for ever so long. You can't help liking O'Brien in part precisely because of his human flaws. He's basically decent, but harassed, overworked, and stretched to the limit by the pressure put on him by Britton. What adult male couldn't identify with this man, or at least sympathize? His very insignificance as one more human ant on the planet Earth, and the terrible thing that's about to happen to him, are the essence of great film noir. (Detour, although by no means a favorite noir of mine, is nevertheless another perfect example of an ordinary man, a small-timer, minding his own business and unexpectedly colliding with Fate and all that it has in store for him.) We resonate to D.O.A. because fate and contingency have been the fundamental conditions of life on the planet earth since before the beginning of history. Our time on Earth is brief and our lives but little scraps of paper blown about by the wind toward endings we know not. We live noir lives. The film's particulars are wonderful. From the sunny hick town of Banning, the movie switches quickly to San Francisco. If ever there were a noir town, it's Frisco. (Hitchcock picked up on that real quick; watch Vertigo again to see how he saw the eerie side to that town, with its creepy deserted streets, little ghostlike fog-blown urban hills, and other abandoned places suggestive of loneliness and soullessness.) From here one great noir scene follows another in astonishing succession: the smoky, crowded jazz bar where the sweaty black musicians are blowing up a storm (to an all-white 1949 audience of course), while a murder is silently committed with a switched drink. The doctor holding the eerily glowing glass tube of luminescent poison and informing O'Brien, "You've been murdered." O'Brien running through the crowded downtown streets like a madman, as if velocity could help him escape his fate. O'Brien, after being shot at, a gun now in his own hand, looking for his killer in the abandoned processing plant. His encounter with Luther Adler's insane, sadistic henchman played by Neville Brand. Brand, speaking softly, glints of spittle in the corners of his mouth, nutty little eyes lighting up with anticipated pleasure: "I'm gonna give it to you in the belly. You're soft in the belly, aren't'cha? " Then the fantastic night scene in the crowded Los Angeles drugstore with Brand stalking him among oblivious customers-till shots ring out, then screams, followed by death. Finally, again at night, O'Brien's confrontation with his killer, which (inevitably) occurs in the Bradbury Building, that great architectural shrine to noir, scene of so many other noir films. Let's stop for a moment and go back to an earlier part of the film. Fatally poisoned, still not quite believing what has happened to him, exhausted and uncertain of anything, O'Brien has run for block after block, but now his energy has finally petered out and he finds himself alone near the docks. Utterly depleted, all hope lost, he wearily leans against the side of an old wooden newsstand in an otherwise bleak, abandoned area. Eyes glazing over, he's terrified, trying to catch his breath. During a medium close-up we briefly study him, then notice something to his left, a single long vertical row of magazines, all identical covers, arranged down the side of the kiosk just half a hand away from him. He isn't looking at them, isn't really aware of them, but we are. For just a few seconds we see: Life, Life, Life, Life, Life, Life, Life. Then the film quickly moves on and goes about its business, as if we had been shown nothing of importance. You tell me this isn't a great film noir. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D.O.A. Date of publication: 03/18/1988 For cast, rating and other information, (click here) By Roger Ebert Are we in the middle of something new here? Are thrillers abandoning supermen and embracing everyman? For a decade or more we've had the spectacle of the violent man of action, smashing everything that stands in his way. The only question was how long it would take him to kill everyone he didn't like. But lately, now, there's been a return of a quieter, more intriguing kind of thriller in which ordinary people get caught up against their will in mysteries they don't understand. "D.O.A." is a movie like that in which a college professor learns he has been poisoned and has 24 hours to live - 24 hours to find his killer. Look at some other recent titles. In "Masquerade," Meg Tilly plays a la-de-dah rich girl who falls blissfully in love, unaware that she is surrounded by a pack of vipers. "Frantic" stars Harrison Ford as an American doctor whose wife is kidnapped from their Paris hotel because of a baggage mixup at the airport. In "The House on Carroll Street," Kelly McGillis overhears a conversation and is plunged into the midst of Nazi schemes. What all of the movies have in common is that the hero is passive and wants only to be left alone. But other people have other plans, and the hero is swept along by the tide. This is, of course, the classic definition of film noir, those 1940s thrillers in which ordinary people discovered the evil that lurked beneath the surface of society, and "D.O.A." itself is inspired by a 1949 thriller starring Edmund O'Brien. The plot is irresistible from the first frame onward. A man staggers into a police station to report a murder. A cop asks him who was murdered. "I was," he says. The man is a college English professor (Dennis Quaid), who has been told his body contains a radioactive substance that will give him only 24 hours to live. In that time he must discover the identity of his killer, a problem made more complicated because he is being sought by the police on framed-up murder charges. His search leads him into more bizarre corners than you would expect to find at the University of Texas at Austin, where the movie is set during the Christmas season. There are all sorts of suspects. The bright young student, for example, who commits suicide after Quaid delays reading his novel. The jealous assistant professor who is enraged because Quaid has tenure and he does not. The mysterious mother of the dead student. Quaid's own ex-wife. And so on. Although the plot follows the broad outlines of a 1940s whodunit, Charles Edward Pogue's screenplay adds a lot of campus atmosphere and academic intrigue. The Quaid character once published a brilliant first novel, we learn, and for a time was a promising writer, but he has produced nothing for four years. "They didn't kill me; I was dead already," he says at one point, equating, as only a writer could, death and writer's block. The whole story plays sly variations on the theme of "publish or perish." It is required, of course, that the hero of a story like this fall in love along the way in order to have company on his quest. Quaid's companion is a bright young student (Meg Ryan) who first flirts with him, then is frightened of him and finally believes in him. Together, they travel a bloody road that leads from ancient family secrets to a deadly tar pit. The family with the secrets is headed by a mysterious widow (Charlotte Rampling), who may have poisoned Quaid in revenge for her son's suicide. Then again, maybe not. Everything is settled in an ending that seems contrived and is the movie's weakest link. "D.O.A." is a witty and literate thriller, with a lot of irony to cut the violence. Quaid is convincing as the chain-smoking English professor, Meg Ryan is true blue as the stalwart coed and Rampling looks capable of keeping her victims alive just to toy with them. The film was directed by Rocky Morton and Annabel Jankel, who created "Max Headroom." This is their first feature, showing an almost sensuous love for the shadows and secrets of film noir. From: "rbrfab" Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 2:21 pm Subject: Re: TVparty.com spotlights SEARCH Congratulations to Don and Billy on an excellent piece, with well-chosen illustrations. Liked it a lot! On the question of raising interest, influencing the network etc, there's an avenue we shouldn't be losing sight of, and that's Hugh O'Brian. When Jim interviewed him he expressed surprise at the 'ban' on Search and said to his assistant that he needed to look into this. I know he's a busy man, but I wonder if enough time has elapsed for Jim to contact him again about it? I don't know if Jim has sent him the copy of the Probe pilot as promised, but that might provide an opportunity to jog his memory. As a former star and co-owner O'Brian must still have *some* clout with Warner Bros. What do you think, Jim? Richard > > If this doesn't help SEARCH get on cable or with Columbia House, I'll eat my > proverbial hat. The point is to keep plugging away and keep trying. Anyway, > I hope everyone enjoys. :-) > > --Don H. From: "tomatprobe" Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 4:54 pm Subject: Re: SEARCH - Unknown Scenes The grass looks like the close-up of the Mega-Trans Package. The hole in the ground may be the way smoke poured out of it after Grover shot it. They dug a hole, placed a smoke canister in it, and put the Maga- Trans prop over the hole. For some reason somebody filmed the hole. The close-up of the uniform may be from "Moonrock". - -- In probe_control@y..., dghprobe3@a... wrote: > unknowns01.htm or > > SEARCH: Unknown Scenes > > > In scanning the SEARCH filmclips, I sometimes run across scenes I don't > > recognize. This can be either because it is test footage, leftovers from > > scenes that were used, unused scenes, stock footage, or footage from > > newsreels or other shows. > > > > Posted in our "Files" section are scenes that came with the Lincoln > > Enterprises SEARCH filmclips over the years which I cannot identify. The > > hope is that someone on the mailing list will be able to figure out what > > these scenes represent. Thanks to anyone who can help. :-) > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/files/SEARCH%20Articles% 20by%20Don > > %20Harden/unknowns01.htm From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 6:21 pm Subject: Contacting O'Brian Richard wrote re: the http://tvparty.com/recsearch.html article on SEARCH: >... Congratulations to Don and Billy on an excellent piece, with well-chosen illustrations. Liked it a lot! ---------------------------- Yeah! What a great job! Applause to all involved! Way to go, Don! ---------------------------- >... On the question of raising interest, influencing the network etc, there's an avenue we shouldn't be losing sight of, and that's Hugh O'Brian. When Jim interviewed him he expressed surprise at the 'ban' on Search and said to his assistant that he needed to look into this. I know he's a busy man, but I wonder if enough time has elapsed for Jim to contact him again about it? ---------------------------- I'm glad you asked, Richard! It's a good question, and one I should have kept y'all posted on. When I met O'Brian, he expressed interest in the copy of the PROBE pilot. I also wanted to tease and 'temp' him with some exclusive goodies that only 'we' can offer. In return for an interview with O'Brian, I wanted to offer him: 1) a Mike Walston-made Scanner with the accompanying beautiful plaque that Mike has designed. 2) The copy of the PROBE pilot (in an Anthony Taylor-designed slipcase) 3) A black knit shirt, embroidered with the SEARCH logo, and "World Securities Probe Division" text I also wanted O'Brian to know that we'd linked OUR site to the HOBE charity for him, which I DO think he'll appreciate as much as anything, seeing as he is quite devoted to that work. This has been done, of course. Right now, I have all the materials I need to send him, except that I am awaiting the embroidery work from Bryan Durk, who I understand is QUITE busy with work, so I haven't bothered him since I sent three shirts for Bryan to have embroidered some weeks ago. I will send him a gentle e-mail reminder, and ask him what the status is. So... that's where it all stands, now. When I get the package of materials completed, I will contact O'Brian's site, and make sure I have the proper addresses where I can send all the materials, and when that's accomplished, I will make arrangements for an interview with him. Please-- Feel free to send questions to me at probecontrol@s... that I can ask O'Brian, and I will be happy to compile a list. ----------------------------------------- >... I don't know if Jim has sent him the copy of the Probe pilot as promised, but that might provide an opportunity to jog his memory. ------------------------------------------ See above, Richard. I will request that O'Brian watch the pilot I send before we proceed with the interview. ------------------------------------------ >... As a former star and co-owner O'Brian must still have *some* clout with Warner Bros. What do you think, Jim? ------------------------------------------ I'm guessing that O'Brian's 'clout' with Warners PROBABLY died at the time that NBC decided to cancel the series, don't you think? He seemed just as puzzled by the 'for export only' status of the series as the rest of us are. Of course, wasn't WYATT EARP a Warner Bros. series? That was O'Brian's biggest success, but while EARP is remembered fondly, I'd doubt of O'Brian still retains much clout. O'Brian seems to have devoted himself to his HOBE activities, and has allowed his acting career to take second place, as a check on IMDB indicates: http://us.imdb.com/Name?O%27Brian,+Hugh I will endeavor to follow up on all of this, and will start by contacting Bryan Durk. Thanks-- Jim Alexander probecontrol@s... From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 1:09 am Subject: 1972 Corvette Model Kit--Up For Grabs I located ONE '1972 Corvette Model Kit' today at the Hobby Shop. Here's the weird part. The kit was released less than 90 days ago, but the shop owner doesn't know if he can get any more. It doesn't show up on any of his computer ordering lists. Bottom Line: I have access to ONE KIT, if anyone wants one. There MIGHT be more available in the future (if the shop owner can figure out how to get more), and then again, there might NOT. The price: $15 plus shipping. Let me know! Thanks! Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net From: "Paul Clarke" Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 1:20 am Subject: newbie Hi Gang: I'm Paul Clarke. I Loved that show and was so dissapointed when it was cancelled. The cast was excellent and I never could make up my mind on which Probe agent I liked the best. It seems I changed my mind about that every week. Angel Tiompkins was a great asset to the show. She seemed to have the right demeaner for the part. She was also very sexy. I'm delighted that there are so many people involved in this group. I didn't think anyone remembered the show that much. I'm looking forward to future discussions. Paul From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 1:56 am Subject: Re: newbie --- In probe_control@y..., "Paul Clarke" wrote: I'm delighted that there are so many people involved in this group. > I didn't think anyone remembered the show that much. I'm looking > forward to future discussions. Hi Paul: I recognized you from the Yahoo TV_West list, so welcome aboard. Feel free to start or join in the discussions any time. We have a great group here and you should be able to mesh in quite well. I think you will get along great with Actingman, our moderator, as well. To you and any other recent members, we have a lot of material in our "Files" section, so don't miss exploring all the goodies we have there. Also, check out the many items we have in our "Links" section. We have access to dubs of 22 out of the 23 episodes plus pilot movie, so if you or any other recent members are interested, send a private email to me dghprobe3@a... and/or Jim Alexander probecontrol@s... Our major aim is to try to get SEARCH picked up by one of the cable channels, but so far we haven't been able to get the right gear to turn. Maybe one day... --Don H. From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sat Oct 5, 2002 6:17 pm Subject: Re: 'The Bullet' vs. D.O.A. --- In probe_control@y..., "Jim Alexander" wrote: > Purely from memory Tom, (both versions of) 'D.O.A.' have in common > with 'THE BULLET' the plot point that the protagonist has been > poisoned, has a certain specified time to live, and > must essentially solve the riddle of how to save his own life... (Fwd: From Thomas of The Outer Limits group) Thank you Don (what you do for SEARCH is brave) and give Jim Alexander my regards. I hope I can manage to watch all Stevens' TV and film dramas -- including scripts' adaptations. I've never seen "The Name of the Game". Soon, I will perhaps watch Stevens' first feature film: "Private Property". ***End of Transmission*** Thomas From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 7:06 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] 1972 Corvette Model Kit--Up For Grabs Hello Jim Re: Corvette. Since it was me who suggested this, I think I ought to add one practical suggestion. Can you get the manufacturer name, exact model name & serial number. With everyone scattered around the world, it also means a lot of distributors. In the UK, a lot of model shops are prone to only getting one or two of each model kit for space reasons. Knowing the above info would make life easier...well, at least until muggins here decides it might be worth wiring the model with lights. Gotta go Geoff Willmetts ********* GF Willmetts **************************** 'SFCrowsnest.com PageRanked by Google as the 3rd most popular science fiction site on the Internet' Commissioning Editor: http://www.crowsnestbooks.com THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.com THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE Quicker website access?? Try: http://www.computercrowsnestbooks.com *************************************************** From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Sun Oct 6, 2002 6:17 pm Subject: 100 members for the first time Gentlemen and Ladies: Break out the champagne. For the first time on this list, on Oct. 6, 2002, we have reached the 100 member point. May that vast minority of intelligent SEARCH fans out there ever increase. :-) From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 1:06 am Subject: 1994 Newsgroup post on Probe/Search Was surfing around and found this post in a search of Google groups. Our favorite show isn't discussed much on the web, so when I find something like this, it catches my attention. A number of the statements below are not accurate, and I have the feeling this fellow is probably inadvertantly confusing other actors and shows. However, I felt that some of the other comments might provoke discussion among us here. --Don H. --------------------------------------------------------- http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%2B%22Leslie+Stevens%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=2n4ohf%241rn%40news.csus.edu&rnum=6 From: Gharlane of Eddore (gharlane@nextnet.csus.edu) Subject: Re: Probe/Search (1970s) View: Complete Thread (2 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv Date: 1994-03-27 11:58:39 PST In 2n488u$50m@search01.news.aol.com, pappaseast@aol.com (PappasEast) writes: > In Cn003z.IHq@iat.holonet.net, rphelps@iat.holonet.net (Robert C. > Phelps) writes: > > > Does anyone know if the 1970s show "Search" (originally called > > "Probe") has ever been released on video (either the "pilot" or > > any of the episodes)? > > I remember this show, and also enjoyed it. Each episode circled around > one of (3? 4?) different agents equipped with a ring scanner/camera or > pendant which beamed signals back to HQ where Meredith and his team would > analyze data and give advice to the field agent. I have never seen the > show on tape, but would like to. > "PROBE" was the pilot, primarily starring Hugh O'Brian, Burgess Meredith, and Elke Sommer. At NBC's request, series title was changed to "SEARCH." ("'Probe' sounds like a medical show. Don't confuse the audience.") Leslie Stevens was the principal perpetrator, but due to financial constraints, he had to look farther for money. Hugh O'Brian, who'd very cagily put all of his earnings from 1950's cowboy shows into oil-bearing property, had money to put in, and ended up effectively owning half the show. This may have had something to do with why Angel Tompkins ended up with a featured role, I dunno; it sure couldn't have been her acting that got her the job. O'Brian did the best he could with the role he was handed, and busted his tail trying to do physical acting he wasn't in training for. As a result, he played a good many scenes in knee braces and ace bandages... His dressing room tended to be festooned with hanging ace bandages, neatly hung in rows from most-recently-used to three-days-since-last-use. (In those days, lycra-based athletic bandages worked better if you gave them recovery time between use.) The principal actor in alternate productions was Doug McClure, who may have been having personal problems of a recreational-chemicals kind; his performances were usually only slightly better than the shoddy scripts. The scripts tended to be typical Leslie Stevens products; middle-aged macho cutesiness at the expense of plot, logic, or drama. They were not good SF, and not even good TV drama, which probably had a lot to do with why the show got cancelled. In at least one instance, when production schedules got tight, Stevens re-wrote an old "STONEY BURKE" script to use on "SEARCH." (For those of you born in the last thirty years, "STONEY BURKE" was a cowboy show Stevens also produced.) Intriguingly, Anthony Spinner, who mainly functioned as script consultant and co-producer, went on to do some pretty good work. (My favorite Spinner script is a TV-movie called "THE PAPER MAN," which was a topnotch 'hacker' murder mystery / computer crime suspense story.... cogent, and well-researched, for the era in which it was written.) The very best part of the TV series "SEARCH" was the pilot movie, "PROBE," which occasionally still runs on late-night TV. It's still watchable, although to today's more technically-literate audiences, it's a bit dated. From: dmanmetz@a... Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] 1994 Newsgroup post on Probe/Search If the information that this person wrote is accurate, then it seems like they had the behind the scenes scoop on the production. Considering this is all true, how would they know that Hugh O'Brian needed knee braces and ace badges, which I wouldn't find hard to believe, considering he did lot of physical work on Search and he was about 46 or 47 when he was doing the show. The writer also suggests that Doug McClure had a problem with alcohol (recreational-chemicals kind) while he was doing Search. I don't know if that's true or not, but I do remember reading an article somewhere when Doug McClure was alive and he stated that he was a "God Damn alcoholic". I don't remember much of the article after that. I thought McClure's offered a clever performance on Search. He played a washed beach bum/ surfer who did not "know it all" like Bianco and was not the daring risk taker like Lockwood. His character showed up for work when Probe called on him and he rose to the occasion to complete the mission in order to support and keep his easy lifestyle going. Also, the TV guide (the one located in the yahoo files) with Doug McClure on the cover stated that he was becoming the most popular Probe agent out the three rotating stars. Did that mean his shows received higher ratings than O'Brian and Franciosa? or did he just receive more fan mail. If this person knew so much about the behind the scenes of Search, I wonder why he didn't remember Tony Franciosa. Recycled "STONEY BURKE" scripts. I never saw a "Stoney Burke " show, but if I were to determine which script was recycled, I would say it was "Let us Prey" or "Suffer my Child". Well, that was very interesting to read, I just wanted to add my thoughts. Chris From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 7:36 pm Subject: Re: 1994 Newsgroup post on Probe/Search Reflections on that 1994 newsgroup post about SEARCH: A number of things the writer mentioned do appear to be accurate. However, he doesn't give any sources. If he had some sort of inside connection to the series, he should have said so. Also, he tends to insinuate things in a negative and vague manner rather than come right out and say what it is that he is talking about. <<>> This is the first time I've heard that one. Again, was he on the set when someone said this? Or is this second, third, fourth or fifth hand information? If they didn't want to confuse the audience, why the MANY changes at midseason? <<<...Hugh O'Brian, who'd very cagily put all of his earnings from 1950's cowboy shows into oil-bearing property, had money to put in, and ended up effectively owning half the show. This may have had something to do with why Angel Tompkins ended up with a featured role, I dunno; it sure couldn't have been her acting that got her the job.>>> The O'Brian money angle squares with what we have already heard, but it had nothing to do with the casting of Angel Tompkins. If the writer supposedly had "inside connections," he would have known that Angel caught the eye of Leslie Stevens because she physically resembled Allyson Ames (as Thomas pointed out to us a few months ago). I didn't see that there was anything wrong with Angel's acting, as the scripts simply called for her to give medical readouts with a sometimes wry sense of humor. <<>> Again, either the writer was on set and saw this himself or it's second or third hand. The 1972 TV Guide article did mention an injury he got while filming the first episode. Maybe we will be able to ask O'Brian about the physical demands of SEARCH in a future interview. <<>> On one of the western-oriented lists, it has been stated that McClure owed his role in "The Virginian" to having had the right drinking buddies. This "recreational-chemicals" stuff seems to insinuate stuff worse than alcohol, which I have never heard before in connection with McClure. Again, why the insinuating around? Why not speak plainly? To me, the only episode where McClure was sub-par was in "Goddess of Destruction," mainly because the script was dull. By contrast, in "Short Circuit," you can see that McClure is giving every scene all he has. Chris Metz made a good point. How come he knows all these things about O'Brian and McClure, yet there is not one peep about Franciosa or any of the others? <<>> While some of the above is probably true, no one has accused SEARCH of being Shakespearean. It was a commercial endeavor, just like everything else on TV is and has been. SEARCH was an example of a series where the format was more interesting than the individual scripts. I always felt that the show was cancelled because NBC did not believe in the show, nor did they know how to market it. Fans feel that the show started okay but went notably downhill toward the end, yet the writer insinuates that the show was consistently bad. <<>> This goes on all the time in TV, so the above doesn't surprise. I would be interested in knowing which episode it was. It sounds like it would have been one of the episodes Stevens wrote himself. <<>> I have never seen "The Paper Man." Does anyone have a dub? The writer has higher praise for Anthony Spinner than Leslie Stevens. No mention is made of Robert Justman, John Christopher Strong and others. Anyway, that's my two cents worth. :-) --Don H. From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 7:50 pm Subject: more on 'The Paper Man' It turns out that Anthony Spinner had no connection to the 1971 TV movie "The Paper Man." The writer confused him with Anthony Wilson. The movie was also made and released a year before SEARCH. Click for full cast & crew info on "The Paper Man." Click for plot info on "The Paper Man." <<>> The only SEARCH connection is guest star Stefanie Powers. --Don H. From: pdcsnr@a... Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 8:13 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: 1994 Newsgroup post on Probe/Search Don I agree with most of what you said. It has always been my opinion that O'Brien was in top physical condition. If that is true then the bandages would have to have come from an injury. Doug McClure was an alcoholic. Which he admitted himself. He in no way displayed a laid back aproach to his acting in this series. Leslie Stevens at that time was one of the best writers and producers in television. I've never heard of The Paper Man. He may be referring to The Paper Chase but it doesn't seem to jive with the descrption. Paul From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 11:17 pm Subject: RE: [probe_control] Re: 1994 Newsgroup post on Probe/Search I wonder if this person is either a writer for the series, or someone who was turned down as a writer or production person, or fired from one of Leslie’s shows; in other words, someone who has a grudge against Leslie Stevens. He certainly says nothing much good about the show, as someone else noted. I have never seen Doug McClure give a so-so performance. He was always acting his heart out, even in those B movies he did. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com Home of "The Graveyards of Omaha" and "The New Twilight Zone" websites as well as "Memories of the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska" The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world Demolished August 20, 2001 for absolutely no reason by Methodist Health Systems Sign the Petition to protest the demolition of the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and tell him the theatre should have been reopened as a working film venue. Email comments@bestcare.org, Methodist's website, and tell them the theatre should have been saved, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Indian Hills and Cinerama and Widescreen Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley -----Original Message----- From: dghprobe3@aol.com [mailto:dghprobe3@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:36 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: [probe_control] Re: 1994 Newsgroup post on Probe/Search Reflections on that 1994 newsgroup post about SEARCH: A number of things the writer mentioned do appear to be accurate. However, he doesn't give any sources. If he had some sort of inside connection to the series, he should have said so. Also, he tends to insinuate things in a negative and vague manner rather than come right out and say what it is that he is talking about. <<>> This is the first time I've heard that one. Again, was he on the set when someone said this? Or is this second, third, fourth or fifth hand information? If they didn't want to confuse the audience, why the MANY changes at midseason? <<<...Hugh O'Brian, who'd very cagily put all of his earnings from 1950's cowboy shows into oil-bearing property, had money to put in, and ended up effectively owning half the show. This may have had something to do with why Angel Tompkins ended up with a featured role, I dunno; it sure couldn't have been her acting that got her the job.>>> The O'Brian money angle squares with what we have already heard, but it had nothing to do with the casting of Angel Tompkins. If the writer supposedly had "inside connections," he would have known that Angel caught the eye of Leslie Stevens because she physically resembled Allyson Ames (as Thomas pointed out to us a few months ago). I didn't see that there was anything wrong with Angel's acting, as the scripts simply called for her to give medical readouts with a sometimes wry sense of humor. <<>> Again, either the writer was on set and saw this himself or it's second or third hand. The 1972 TV Guide article did mention an injury he got while filming the first episode. Maybe we will be able to ask O'Brian about the physical demands of SEARCH in a future interview. <<>> On one of the western-oriented lists, it has been stated that McClure owed his role in "The Virginian" to having had the right drinking buddies. This "recreational-chemicals" stuff seems to insinuate stuff worse than alcohol, which I have never heard before in connection with McClure. Again, why the insinuating around? Why not speak plainly? To me, the only episode where McClure was sub-par was in "Goddess of Destruction," mainly because the script was dull. By contrast, in "Short Circuit," you can see that McClure is giving every scene all he has. Chris Metz made a good point. How come he knows all these things about O'Brian and McClure, yet there is not one peep about Franciosa or any of the others? <<>> While some of the above is probably true, no one has accused SEARCH of being Shakespearean. It was a commercial endeavor, just like everything else on TV is and has been. SEARCH was an example of a series where the format was more interesting than the individual scripts. I always felt that the show was cancelled because NBC did not believe in the show, nor did they know how to market it. Fans feel that the show started okay but went notably downhill toward the end, yet the writer insinuates that the show was consistently bad. <<>> This goes on all the time in TV, so the above doesn't surprise. I would be interested in knowing which episode it was. It sounds like it would have been one of the episodes Stevens wrote himself. <<>> I have never seen "The Paper Man." Does anyone have a dub? The writer has higher praise for Anthony Spinner than Leslie Stevens. No mention is made of Robert Justman, John Christopher Strong and others. Anyway, that's my two cents worth. :-) --Don H. From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 11:56 pm Subject: Re: SEARCH -Unknown Scenes I've posted an update to the "Search: Unknown Scenes" article. Tomatprobe's observations are keen, so I added a scan of a filmclip of the Mega Trans Package burning in the grass so folks can compare it to the previous pic. It's similar but it's different too. Difficult to be 100% sure. unknowns01.htm I haven't had a chance to examine "Moonrock," but I added the text of Tom's observation about the closeup of the uniform/jacket as a possibility. :-) More later, --Don H. ---------------------------------------------------------------- In message 1687, "tomatprobe" wrote: <<>> From: "dghprobe3" Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 3:21 am Subject: Re: 1994 Newsgroup post on Probe/Search Hi Paul: Thanks for your post, and good points. Who knows where this fellow was coming from? He insinuates an inside connection to the show, but gets more facts wrong than right. The other problem is, this happens all the time with every subject under the sun. It reminds me of the quote "a little knowledge is dangerous." Or as Barry Morse likes to say, "Hollywood is full of people who know the price of everything but the value of nothing." The thing that tickles me most is his criticism of Stevens' scripts as "middle-aged macho cutesiness." It's an apt description of his entire article, wouldn't you say? --Don H. ---------------------------------------- --- In probe_control@y..., pdcsnr@a... wrote: > Don I agree with most of what you said. > It has always been my opinion that O'Brien was in top physical condition... From: "Anthony Troiano" Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 11:27 pm Subject: Re: 1994 Newsgroup post on Probe/Search --- In probe_control@y..., "dghprobe3" wrote: > Hi Paul: Thanks for your post, and good points. Who knows where > this > fellow was coming from? He insinuates an inside connection to the > show, but gets more facts wrong than right. The other problem is, > this happens all the time with every subject under the sun. It > reminds me of the quote "a little knowledge is dangerous." Or as > Barry Morse likes to say, "Hollywood is full of people who know the > price of everything but the value of nothing." > The thing that tickles me most is his criticism of Stevens' scripts > as "middle-aged macho cutesiness." It's an apt description of his > entire article, wouldn't you say? > > --Don H. Don, I tend to agree with what you and others have said...and may be able to help answer the question(s) regarding background. Hopefully I'll get the time, it's likely to be a fairly lengthy post. Anthony fusillade2000@y... From: "dghprobe3" Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 1:51 am Subject: on 1994 post & on filmclips --- In probe_control@y..., "Anthony Troiano" wrote: > Don, I tend to agree with what you and others have said...and may be able to help answer the question(s) regarding background. > Hopefully I'll get the time, it's likely to be a fairly lengthy post. Hi Anthony: Welcome to our humble group. Yes, indeed, if you have any special information on SEARCH, please pass it along. Thanks. By the way, I just received some SEARCH filmclips from list member Bob Greenberger. They are pretty much similar to scenes we already have, however, there are a few gems, such as a new Kuroda blooper scene. Have started scanning some of them, will probably post a preview of a few of the more interesting ones in the Files section shortly. Stay tuned. :-) --Don H. From: "Anthony Troiano" Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 2:25 pm Subject: Re: on 1994 post & on filmclips --- In probe_control@y..., "dghprobe3" wrote: > Hi Anthony: Welcome to our humble group. I've been here awhile, though haven't posted very often. ;) > Yes, indeed, if you have > any special information on SEARCH, please pass it along. Thanks. The "special info" was more on "Mr. Eddore," since some had been curious about him, than directly on SEARCH. Please stand by. Anthony fusillade2000@y... From: "Anthony Troiano" Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 4:39 pm Subject: Re: Who Was Gharlane of Eddore? --- In probe_control@y..., "dghprobe3" wrote: > Thanks for your post, and good points. Who knows where > this > fellow was coming from? He insinuates an inside connection to the > show, but gets more facts wrong than right. It > reminds me of the quote "a little knowledge is dangerous." Or as > Barry Morse likes to say, "Hollywood is full of people who know the > price of everything but the value of nothing." Re: "coming from," "insinuates an inside connection," "gets more facts wrong," "little knowledge" etc: this was likely a very apt description (without dghprobe3's even knowing anything more!) of "Gharlane of Eddore." See below. > The thing that tickles me most is his criticism of Stevens' scripts > as "middle-aged macho cutesiness." It's an apt description of his > entire article, wouldn't you say? "Middle-aged macho": oh yes, absolutely! Following, for those interested, is an overview. Gharlane of Eddore was a Net presence (some would say, with justification, "troll") for some years (circa. early 1990's-2001). He got the Net handle "G of E" from a character of legendary author "Doc" Smith's (who had apparently given permission for said use). His chief activity was posting on Usenet science fiction boards and (usually) "flaming" science fiction (or at least science fiction- oriented) series/films, misdirecting posts (to alt.dev.null) under this pseudonym (he said he used the pseudonym to supposedly maintain privacy but I always had doubts about that...he did at least as much harassing as he was himself harassed). Allegedly he was an engineer who flamed these productions for (besides acting, writing faults) their lack of "technical accuracy." Among those (many) he disliked: STAR TREK (in most of its various forms), BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, EARTH 2, SEAQUEST (this was where I locked horns with him, as follows), SEARCH (as you've seen) etc. etc. BABYLON 5 he loved, though there was surely no great use of accurate engineering/scientific technology there. Of course, he got into (indeed, initiated) many flamewars over the years with the fans of these shows...SEARCH (which never even claimed to be science fiction, though that didn't stop him) was probably one of his lesser flames, if only because (due to its short run) there weren't at that time many fans on the Net with (SEARCH) opinions to counter his. This writer actually (first) encountered him on a SEAQUEST board, he was there criticizing the series ad nauseum and, being a fan of some aspects of it, I decided to join in combat. It really didn't amount to much for a "Gharlane war," just a few posts back and forth and (the series being cancelled about this time) we both got tired of it. Many "scifi" fans on the Net have had more detailed stories about him. His problem IMO was that he was a frustrated writer/producer of science fiction. Not being able to get anything of his own on the air/on the screen, he instead contented himself with attempting to "tear down" the work(s) of many of those who were more successful: Leslie Stevens, Roddenberry, Glen Larson and so on. Whether there works were good, mediocre or bad...I don't think it really mattered to G of E. Supposedly he was himself an author...Well, I've never heard of anything he actually wrote (and I've read a great deal of science fiction, certainly he wasn't a literary "name" of any note). Sort of like Howard Cosell: he had enough knowledge to make what he said seemingly worth reading but was also so much lacking in knowledge (i.e. he didn't know, or forgot, of Tony Franciosa's involvement in SEARCH and got plots/titles wrong) that his criticisms often blew up in his face. He would often take on the persona of an "insider" "expert" in the entertainment industry (when he wasn't pretending to be a "living brain"), even if he really wasn't, and using the pseudonym made it difficult to disprove (or prove, for that matter) his claims of "expertise". Anyway, last I had heard of Gharlane circa. 1997-98 he was in another flamewar, this time B5 (his side) vs. ST:DS9. A DS9 writer/producer, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, had journeyed to a science fiction board and G o E (and some other B5 fans) of course started flaming him (I say "flaming" because their postings IMO went beyond the realm of constructive criticism, though I wasn't personally participating...just reading). Their basic complaint was that, in their view, DS9 wasn't B5...or perhaps rather, again in their view, that it was a bad copy of it. A group of Trek fans, being legion in number and subscribing to "two wrongs make a right," then IIRC flamed G o E in turn by flooding his mailbox with pro-Trek (or at least pro- DS9), anti-B5 posts. G o E then basically threw up his hands...I do seem to recall (I was heading off the Net at that point for what turned out to be a few years) he did develop some grudging respect for Mr. Wolfe. After those few years away, I got back on the Net in 2001. Usenet had pretty much declined (due to spam) by that time IMO but I heard news elsewhere, eventually, of G o E's death. His name was David Potter and he was about 54 years of age. Thus endeth the Gharlane of Eddore saga, you can get even more information if you so desire by doing a "Gharlane of Eddore" SEARCH (neat word, huh?). Anthony fusillade2000@y... From: Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 5:01 pm Subject: Gharlane of Eddore Fascinating rundown of 'G of E', Anthony. I'd never heard of the fella before. Thanks for taking the time to inform us. Jim Alexander probecontrol@s... From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sat Oct 12, 2002 1:38 am Subject: Re: Who Was Gharlane of Eddore? --- In probe_control@y..., "Anthony Troiano" wrote: > Gharlane of Eddore was a Net presence (some would say, with > justification, "troll") for some years (circa. early 1990's-2001). Hello Anthony: Thank you for sharing that information with us. Very interesting indeed. Too bad we couldn't have set the poor lad straight about SEARCH before he passed on. That's how it goes, I suppose. :-) From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Sat Oct 12, 2002 9:16 pm Subject: Stevens' INCUBUS on Sci-Fi, tonight Before I forget-- I wanted to let the group now that Leslie Stevens' William Shatner vehicle INCUBUS (the film shot in the artificial language of Esperanto) will be on the Sci-Fi Channel tonight, I believe, at midnight, CST. It also boasts a score by our favorite SEARCH theme composer--Dominic Frontiere. Some music cues (if memory serves) are straight from (or VERY reminscent of) OUTER LIMITS. It's worth a look-see. Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Thu Oct 17, 2002 2:41 am Subject: The World of Covert Video Cameras Newsmax article on surveillance: What's Watching You? The World of Covert Video Cameras Have you ever wondered, in your place of employment or at the local shopping mall, if you were being watched? http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/15/134438.shtml From: "crayresearch2001" Date: Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:34 pm Subject: Scanner technolgy just around the corner.... HP article: beyond silicon: hp researchers announce breakthroughs in molecular electronics "The type of computing power that could be delivered by molecular- scale electronics could provide devices so tiny that they could be part of the fabric of clothing. And they could be powerful enough to understand ordinary speech. (You might want to be careful about walking down the street, talking to your shirt.)" http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/feature_stories/molecular02.htm Don-2 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 5:46 am Subject: Re: Scanner technolgy just around the corner.... --- In probe_control@y..., "crayresearch2001" wrote: > HP article: > beyond silicon: hp researchers announce breakthroughs in molecular > electronics > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/feature_stories/molecular02.htm Hi Don-2: Thanks for keeping us on the cutting edge of technology there. Just think, a few more years and Silicon Valley just might catch up with where SEARCH was back in 1972. :-) --Don H. From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:01 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Scanner technology in the spy network Hello everyone If you want to see one of the latest spy cameras, look up website: www.swann.com.au & word search 'MicroCam' Judging by the photos in UK espionage magazine 'Eye Spy', it's camera is smaller than the Probe Scanner - lens quarter the size of a standard - if there ever is one internationally - postage stamp. Pity it can't scan the full electromagnetic spectrum. :-) Gotta go Geoff Willmetts ********* GF Willmetts **************************** 'SFCrowsnest.com PageRanked by Google as the 3rd most popular science fiction site on the Internet' Commissioning Editor: http://www.crowsnestbooks.com THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.com THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE Quicker website access?? Try: http://www.computercrowsnestbooks.com *************************************************** From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 2:48 pm Subject: SEARCH View-Master Reel set on eBay I just thought y'all might like to know that there's a SEARCH View-Master Reel set that's on eBay for a reasonable price. It looks complete, in case anyone was interested. It looks like someone may have doodled on the reel slipcase in pen, but you can check with the seller on that. No bids yet. Only $4.95 right now. Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:28 pm Subject: Doug McClure Whilst reading Bruce Campbell's new book, "If Chins Could Kill: Confessions of a B Movie Actor," (which is a great read, BTW) I ran across a reference to Doug McClure. Bruce (who was a lowly apprentice at the theater) worked with him in summer stock in 1976 in Traverse City, Michigan, and he's got a few good reminiscences about it. Bruce was only 17 and in awe of his favorite western actor, whom he expected to be a polished professional. He was very startled, on the first day of rehearsals for "A Thousand Clowns," when Doug asked for a pen. Bruce handed him the pen, and Doug proceeded to write all his lines all over the scenery, the furniture; anywhere he could find. Bruce said he was shocked, but years later he understood the motivation, when he had to do the same thing on a show because he knew he'd never remember all the lines. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com Home of "The Graveyards of Omaha" and "The New Twilight Zone" websites as well as "Memories of the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska" The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world Demolished August 20, 2001 for absolutely no reason by Methodist Health Systems Sign the Petition to protest the demolition of the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and tell him the theatre should have been reopened as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and tell them the theatre should have been saved, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Indian Hills and Cinerama and Widescreen Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 7:39 pm Subject: Doug Part 2, but rather OT My husband tells me that I forgot part of the story. Bruce was through Omaha several weeks ago on a book signing tour (which is why I bought the book), and we met him and got his autograph, along with about 500 other people who were packed into the local Barnes and Noble. And I mean packed; it was wall to wall and floor to ceiling packed. I don't think anyone thought they'd have such a crowd. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com Home of "The Graveyards of Omaha" and "The New Twilight Zone" websites as well as "Memories of the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska" The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world Demolished August 20, 2001 for absolutely no reason by Methodist Health Systems Sign the Petition to protest the demolition of the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and tell him the theatre should have been reopened as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and tell them the theatre should have been saved, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Indian Hills and Cinerama and Widescreen Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 8:33 pm Subject: Cambell Signing >... Bruce was through Omaha several weeks ago on a book signing tour (which is why I bought the book), and we met him and got his autograph, along with about 500 other people who were packed into the local Barnes and Noble. --------------------------- COOL, Marta!!! Was he a nice feller??? I've heard he's a PEACH! Jim Alexander probecontrol@s... From: "martadawes" Date: Fri Oct 18, 2002 10:37 pm Subject: Re: Cambell Signing He was great; very collected and seemed to be appreciative of all the attention. From reading the book, I don't think he takes the fans for granted. He remembers how it was before he was famous, I think, and makes sure he doesn't act like some of the Hollywood yahoos. I'd recommend the book; it's a lot of fun and has a ton of behind the scenes information from all his films. I've never seen "Evil Dead," but his description of the filming is hilarious. Marta --- In probe_control@y..., "Jim Alexander" wrote: > >... Bruce was through Omaha several weeks ago on a book signing tour > (which is why I bought the book), and we met him and got his autograph, > along with about 500 other people who were packed into the local Barnes and > Noble. > --------------------------- > COOL, Marta!!! Was he a nice feller??? I've heard he's a PEACH! > > Jim Alexander > probecontrol@s... From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 12:45 am Subject: Campbell Signing >... I've never seen "Evil Dead,"but his description of the filming is hilarious. -------------------------- I think members of this list might agree with me. So is EVIL DEAD. Run, don't walk. Rent it. I'd heard that Campbell (sorry I misspelled his name in my Subject Line, earlier) even takes the time to write brief e-mails to some fans who write him. Cool. Jim probecontrol@s... ------------------------------------------- > He was great; very collected and seemed to be appreciative of all the > attention. From reading the book, I don't think he takes the fans for > granted. He remembers how it was before he was famous, I think, and > makes sure he doesn't act like some of the Hollywood yahoos. I'd > recommend the book; it's a lot of fun and has a ton of behind the > scenes information from all his films. I've never seen "Evil Dead," > but his description of the filming is hilarious. > > Marta From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Sat Oct 19, 2002 2:44 pm Subject: RE: [probe_control] Campbell Signing My son loves it, but I just never got into the killer films. I know this is a bit different, and I might have to rent it now that I've read the book. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com Home of "The Graveyards of Omaha" and "The New Twilight Zone" websites as well as "Memories of the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska" The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world Demolished August 20, 2001 for absolutely no reason by Methodist Health Systems Sign the Petition to protest the demolition of the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and tell him the theatre should have been reopened as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and tell them the theatre should have been saved, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Indian Hills and Cinerama and Widescreen Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley -----Original Message----- From: Jim Alexander [mailto:probecontrol@s...] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 7:46 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: [probe_control] Campbell Signing >... I've never seen "Evil Dead,"but his description of the filming is hilarious. -------------------------- I think members of this list might agree with me. So is EVIL DEAD. Run, don't walk. Rent it. I'd heard that Campbell (sorry I misspelled his name in my Subject Line, earlier) even takes the time to write brief e-mails to some fans who write him. Cool. Jim probecontrol@s... ------------------------------------------- > He was great; very collected and seemed to be appreciative of all the > attention. From reading the book, I don't think he takes the fans for > granted. He remembers how it was before he was famous, I think, and > makes sure he doesn't act like some of the Hollywood yahoos. I'd > recommend the book; it's a lot of fun and has a ton of behind the > scenes information from all his films. I've never seen "Evil Dead," > but his description of the filming is hilarious. > > Marta From: "marshalljay44" Date: Mon Oct 21, 2002 4:08 pm Subject: Writer's Guide I almost had a gem for you. While Search was still on, I got Star Trek photos and the Search Writer's Guidelines from Lincoln Enterprises. Back in college, I was writing short stories and scripts. As I know you are looking for Search memorobilia, I dug into my old comic book/sports magazine box. Alas, I still have the Star Trek photos, but the Writer's Guide is nowhere to be found. Distant memory had me throwing it out after the show's demise as I did not see a use for it. Maybe someone else saved the Search Writer's Guide? From: Date: Mon Oct 21, 2002 5:36 pm Subject: SEARCH Writer's Guide >... Maybe someone else saved the Search Writer's Guide? ------------------------ That's a good question. I ordered SEARCH scripts and film clip frames (as well as some STAR TREK and KUNG FU stuff) out of the Lincoln Enterprises catalogues more than once. And I know Don and other members of this list did as well. But I never got a Writer's Guide. I'm surprised that ONE OF US didn't order one of these while they were available. Jim Alexander probecontrol@s... From: "actingman_jc" Date: Mon Oct 21, 2002 6:55 pm Subject: Re: SEARCH Writer's Guide I never saw a writer's guide offered. Here is the first catalog: http://www.probecontrol.com/Merchadise/Images/Lincoln%20Enterprises% 20Cat%204.jpg And here is the second: http://www.probecontrol.com/Merchadise/Images/Lincoln%20Enterprises% 20Cat%205.jpg Jim...either it was you or it was Don who sent me a photocopy of the final catalog that had Search stuff in it. It wasn't in there either. I wonder if marshalljay44 actually had the item under the bios catagory called "About Search?" That text of that can be read here: http://www.probecontrol.com/Publicity/WBPressRelease.html If marshalljay44 did have a true Search writer's guide...then that is a great loss. I did order the Trek writer's guide Lincoln sold back then. Still have it. --- In probe_control@y..., wrote: > >... Maybe someone else saved the Search Writer's Guide? > ------------------------ > That's a good question. I ordered SEARCH scripts and film > clip frames (as well as some STAR TREK and KUNG FU stuff) out > of the Lincoln Enterprises catalogues more than once. And I > know Don and other members of this list did as well. But I > never got a Writer's Guide. > > I'm surprised that ONE OF US didn't order one of these while > they were available. > > Jim Alexander > probecontrol@s... From: Date: Mon Oct 21, 2002 7:46 pm Subject: In Search Of: SEARCH Writer's Guide John wrote: >... I never saw a writer's guide offered. ---------------------- I know that this is 'after the fact', but I didn't REMEMBER a SEARCH Writer's Guide. However, figured my memory was faulty, and I didn't wanna question 'marshalljay44'. ;) I'm also here at work, and couldn't double-check the old Lincoln Enterprises catalogue I have at home, in order to see. ---------------------- >... either it was you or it was Don who sent me a photocopy of the final catalog that had Search stuff in it. It wasn't in there either. ---------------------- It was me, sir. ---------------------- >... I wonder if marshalljay44 actually had the item under the bios catagory called "About Search?" ---------------------- Perhaps so. Whaddya SAY, 'marshalljay'??? ;) Is that possible? Or did you order a TREK Writer's Guide (and are just remembering it as being a SEARCH Guide)??? Nonetheless, we thank you for writing in, and spurring on this course of discussion! :) Jim Alexander probecontrol@s... From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Mon Oct 21, 2002 10:57 pm Subject: Bob Greenberger's SEARCH filmclips http://groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/files/SEARCH%20Articles%20by%20Don%20Harden/Greenberger.htm (Above links to an article with photos based on text below.) Many thanks to Bob Greenberger for loaning us his SEARCH filmclip collection. Like the rest of us, Bob got his clips from Lincoln Enterprises after SEARCH left the NBC airwaves. The 97 filmclips he sent me have been scanned and put onto CD for eventual posting on probecontrol.com. While most of the clips are from scenes we already have, there are a few that are different or are from earlier or later portions of those scenes we already have. The best shot of all is a new Kuroda blooper, which I believe is from "The Adonis File." Other shots appear on the page I posted. Can everyone identify the episodes? If the link above does not work, go to our "Files" section, open the folder "SEARCH articles by Don Harden," then click on "Greenberger.htm" and allow a few seconds for the photos to appear. Thanks. PS: Adding to a different earlier thread, I don't remember a SEARCH Writer's Guide being offered by Lincoln Enterprises either. Now if someone ever runs across one, please, please make a copy and send it to us. Thanks. :-) From: "marshalljay44" Date: Tue Oct 22, 2002 3:32 pm Subject: Search Writers Guide I think that Warner Bros Press release may have been what I was looking at, 30 years ago. I do remember that "A Moon-Walk Down Main Street." quote from it. Thanks for clearing that up. As I said, I did get it from Lincoln Enterprises. It was on good quality paper, not cheap copy paper. I vaguely remember that it may have possibly had the "Search" logo on it. Shame I didn't keep it. Who would have known. I had a box of old comic books, even an original Jimmy Olson back in the closet. I went off to college and found out how valuable these were. When I came home on break, I was hunting them down and asked my mother if she knew where they were. "Oh those old things. I threw them away." Sigh. I think we all have a story like that to tell. From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 2:49 am Subject: Cable's TRIO network revives canceled series I thinnk we may have found our new 'target' for SEARCH re-runs... Jim Alexander probecontrol@s... -------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:44 AM Subject: [sftvnews] cable's trio network revives canceled series... > Good news for those who have access to the cable network Trio: > In a move that will probably involve having me name my first born > after the network, Trio - a Universal owned cable network - announced > yesterday it will spend the month of December focusing on canceled > television series with runs of some of the most critically acclaimed > (but short lived) programs in recent memory. Among those featured > will be "Kolchak: The Night Stalker" (ABC, 1974-75), "Now and Again" > (CBS, 1999-2000), "Action" (FOX, 1999), "Gun" (ABC, 1997), "The > Famous Teddy Z" (CBS, 1989-1990), "Profit" (FOX, 1996) and "TV > Funhouse" (Comedy Central, 2000-2001) many of which haven't been > aired domestically since the end of their broadcast runs. No specific > airdates or what format (marathon, daily, weekly, etc.) they will be > aired in are available. We've been saying for years here that someone > in the cable universe should take advantage of the backlog of short- > lived TV series out there and it looks like there's similar minded > folks out there. > > Trio also plans to air two documentaries about the television > business as part of the month's theme - "Brilliant, But Canceled." > The first, also dubbed "Brilliant, But Canceled," is narrated by Andy > Richter and features interviews with various producers and executives > such as Warren Littlefield, Darren Star, Aaron Spelling and the late > Bruce Paltrow about some of their shows's cancellations. The second, > titled "The Perfect Pitch," features various producers in Hollywood > such as Sherwood Schwartz, Tony Krantz and Bruce Kirschbaum talking > about their best and worst pitch meetings. Both 90-minute > documentaries will air throughout the month. > > The only downside to all this news is that unless you have DirecTV > (it's channel 315) you probably don't have access to Trio. Currently > only about 17 million households in the U.S. subscribe to the > network. You can find more info about the channel at its official web > site: www.triotv.com. We'll post any additional information as we > hear it. From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 3:32 am Subject: TRIO TV contact info & questions http://www.triotv.com/contact.html Jim: Thanks for the tip you sent about TRIO. Their whole approach to programming is a breath of fresh air. :-) Above links to the contact page for "TRIO - Popular Arts Television." There are several mailing addresses given, but none of them relate specifically to viewers wanting to make suggestions as to what they should air. Jim, you've worked in TV for some time, which of the addresses they list (email or snail) would be our best bet in terms of influencing programming? Also, does TRIO edit shows massively for commercials like Sci-Fi, or do they run things uncut with no interruption like Encore? Even though the downside is that one needs DirecTV, all we need is one person on the list or a friend of same who can obtain dubs, etc. --Don H. From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 7:07 am Subject: Re: SEARCH Writer's Guide Hello everyone I'm sure if the Search Writer's Guide had been on there when we bought from Lincoln Enterprises, we'd all have picked it up when we were buying. Bearing in mind that we were buying original scripts - not copies!, stills & the photos from the press pack, they might not have had many if any guides. [Like John, I also own their Star Trek Writers' Guides.] I agree, it must exist even if it was never in the catalogue. It would be mandatory with the number of writers involved. Rather than lamenting, it's time to plug in the tapes & see if we can find anyone who might actually own a copy that can be copied for us to look over?? We have a new objective to consider. Anyone in LA want to check over any places that sell scripts they think might be worth asking?? I doubt if any of the scriptwriters from that time would have kept a copy more's the pity. As to Marshalljay's lost comics. The majority of British parents don't throw our things out without permission. It could have been a lot worse than losing your Jimmy Olsen collection. What would she have thought had she found your Lois Lane collection?? ;-) :-) For the record, my comic collection is spread through the attic, a couple cupboards & my bedroom. Maybe not read anymore but still safe. Gotta go Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** 'SFCrowsnest.com PageRanked by Google as the 3rd most popular science fiction site on the Internet' Commissioning Editor: http://www.crowsnestbooks.com THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.com THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE Quicker website access?? Try: http://www.computercrowsnestbooks.com *************************************************** From: "Skip Brown" Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 2:00 pm Subject: RE: [probe_control] Search Writers Guide -----Original Message----- From: marshalljay44 [mailto:marshallkarp@hotmail.com] When I came home on break, I was hunting them down and asked my mother if she knew where they were. "Oh those old things. I threw them away." Sigh. I think we all have a story like that to tell. Ooooo Ooooo! Mr. Kotter! Mr. Kotter! I have a better one… sort of…. My interest in science fiction through my younger years kept my imagination alive… SEARCH and plenty of other solid sci-fi shows helped me go into faraway places and get away from my hum drum life…. Unfortunately, my imagination took me too far… During the post 70’s era, when Star Wars, and Battlestar Galactica were a mainstay for sci-fi fans, I decided I wanted to make my own homemade Super 8mm movie… An “epic” sci-fi flick I called “The Quasar Seven”… I made SEARCH style headsets from old clothes hangers, and a really fantastic spaceship model out of some old plastic piece I found in my closet. It was long, unblinking white canister with a hole in the top. I was really into “kit bashing” when I was younger, just like model makers of the past and present. (I think Star Trek’s Mike Okuda is on our list, so he knows what I am talking about). Anyway, I took old model pieces and glued them onto the canister, then painted it gold and silver. (I wish I had pictures of it.) Anyway, to make my “epic email” shorter, one day my mother was looking for something in my closet and was aghast when she saw my spaceship. “Don’t you know what you made this out of?” she yelled. I shrugged. “Uh uh..” “Why didn’t you ask?!!! You’ve ruined a perfectly good rug steamer!” Unbeknownst to me, my spaceship was the water tank of a very expensive steam cleaner. Hmmmm… I guess it goes both ways. Moms throw away our treasures, and we make spaceships out of theirs. Your friend, Skip From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 7:49 pm Subject: Turnabout Extruder >... I guess it goes both ways. Moms throw away our treasures, and we make spaceships out of theirs. ------------------------------ HA! GREAT STORY, Skip! Turnabout is 'fair play'! I'd never heard of someone getting 'mom' back quite like that! Jim Alexander probecontrol@sigecom.net From: Jack Bagley Date: Fri Oct 25, 2002 12:33 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] TRIO TV contact info & questions Well, should it come to be needed, I am on DirecTV and would be proud to copy and dub as many episodes of SEARCH as they may air. Jack Check out the finest in independent Science Fiction novels at Fine Line Publishing: http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/AC.html http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/TWLB.html --- dghprobe3@a... wrote: > HREF="http://www.triotv.com/contact.html">http://www.triotv.com/contact.html > > Jim: Thanks for the tip you sent about TRIO. Their whole approach to > programming is a breath of fresh air. :-) > > Above links to the contact page for "TRIO - Popular Arts Television." There > are several mailing addresses given, but none of them relate specifically to > viewers wanting to make suggestions as to what they should air. > > Jim, you've worked in TV for some time, which of the addresses they list > (email or snail) would be our best bet in terms of influencing programming? > Also, does TRIO edit shows massively for commercials like Sci-Fi, or do they > run things uncut with no interruption like Encore? > > Even though the downside is that one needs DirecTV, all we need is one person > > on the list or a friend of same who can obtain dubs, etc. > > --Don H. > ===== Jack Check out the finest in independent science fiction novels at Fine Line Publishing: http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/AC.html http://www.Fine-Linepc.com/TWLB.html From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Fri Oct 25, 2002 1:44 am Subject: TRIO TV contact info & questions Don wrote: Jim, you've worked in TV for some time, which of the addresses they list (email or snail) would be our best bet in terms of influencing programming? ------------------------------------------ I'm thinking that the e-mail/phone number at the top would be a good place to start. Your view is important to us. So drop us a line to help us provide the kind of programming you would like or simply to tell us what you think. Call our toll-free number 1-800-890-TRIO(8746), or email us at triofeedback@triotv.com I always think it's good practice to VERY briefly explain (in just a few words) to the person on the other end of the phone, what it is that you wish to accomplish, and then let THEM direct (or TAKE, if appropriate) the call to the proper individual. But, perhaps the best route would be to e-mail. Include your thoughts on WHY 'Search' would be a good choice to show on TRIO. Sure, WE wanna see it... but why would someone ELSE find it interesting? The stars? The guest stars? The writing? The creator/producers/crew? The fact that it hasn't been shown ANYWHERE domestically since its network run? Simply because it has an attractive, kitschy 'retro' feel? Networks don't, and CANNOT spend money on programs that will have severely limited appeal. If (and I'm playing devil's advocate, here) SEARCH would appeal to a mass audience... we have to be able to explain 'why'. It might also not be a bad idea to supply a copy of the pilot, or a couple of representative episodes. I will, of course, be happy to supply. And I would CERTAINLY steer responsible TRIO representatives towards the probecontrol.com web page. It might even be better if the contacting party(s) pretend NOT to have a connection to the page. It would make the 'Search' fan base seem even larger, perhaps. ----------------------------------------- Also, does TRIO edit shows massively for commercials like Sci-Fi, or do they run things uncut with no interruption like Encore? ------------------------------------------ I don't get TRIO, so I don't know. But I'm under the impression that they do NOT edit. Jim probecontrol@sigecom.net From: "actingman_jc" Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:01 am Subject: Trio...which will seque to Search topic Thanks to Trio, I am able to watch the freshest, most relevent and refreshing show on tv right now...the original one hour versions of Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In. Man what an awful fall tv season we are in right now. As for Trio cutting...I don't know. They must be, I would think, cause the Laugh-Ins, minus commercials, are 48-49 minutes...but I don't know how long they should be. And the old classics on Sci-Fi are getting cut down to 45 minutes or less...so Trio may not be butchers. And if they were edited, it could have been George Schlatter who cut them down a couple of minutes when he oversaw the remastering of the tapes for these runs. As I type this, I am watching a Feb, 1968 episode with Leonard Nimoy making cameos...complete with Spock haircut, since this was taped around the time he was finishing up the second season of Star Trek. Now to bring this to Search: if they run the 72-73 season of Laugh- In, I am hoping one of the three Probes will have made a cameo (McClure made cameos when the Virgians was on.) Of course I don't know if Trio is running all of them. I got Directv in August, and they got as far as the middle of the September 1970 season, and then suddenly jumped back to the beginning. Does anybody know, or remember if any of the three made Search cameros on Laugh-In? The only Search related appearance on a tv show I remember (which I think I wrote about in this forum) was Doug McClure on the syndicated Jonathan Winters show. From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:30 am Subject: Trio Cutting??? I'd be surprised if Schlatter cut the episodes, unless he had specific orders to. If they run 48-49 minutes on TRIO... then that sounds as if they're unedited. The classic TREKS run that long. If the LAUGH-INS WERE cut, then I think they'd be cut more substantially, and would run 45 minutes... or less. Unfortunately, it looks as if the current network shows are running less than 45 minutes, now. The latest episodes of BIRDS OF PREY clocked in at LESS than 40 minutes. Most of the ENTERPRISE feeds in UPN run 42 minutes and change. <> Jim Alexander probecontrol@s... From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:47 am Subject: RE: [probe_control] Trio Cutting??? I've just called our cable system and asked them to add Trio to the lineup. God knows if they'll even consider it, but it was worth a shot. If everyone on the list calls their cable provider and asks the same, it can't hurt. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com Home of "The Graveyards of Omaha" and "The New Twilight Zone" websites as well as "Memories of the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska" The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world Demolished August 20, 2001 for absolutely no reason by Methodist Health Systems Sign the Petition to protest the demolition of the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and tell him the theatre should have been reopened as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and tell them the theatre should have been saved, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Indian Hills and Cinerama and Widescreen Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley -----Original Message----- From: Jim Alexander [mailto:probecontrol@s...] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:30 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: [probe_control] Trio Cutting??? I'd be surprised if Schlatter cut the episodes, unless he had specific orders to. If they run 48-49 minutes on TRIO... then that sounds as if they're unedited. The classic TREKS run that long. If the LAUGH-INS WERE cut, then I think they'd be cut more substantially, and would run 45 minutes... or less. Unfortunately, it looks as if the current network shows are running less than 45 minutes, now. The latest episodes of BIRDS OF PREY clocked in at LESS than 40 minutes. Most of the ENTERPRISE feeds in UPN run 42 minutes and change. <> Jim Alexander probecontrol@s... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- John wrote: > As for Trio cutting...I don't know. They must be, I would think, cause the Laugh-Ins, minus commercials, are 48-49 minutes...but I don't know how long they should be. And the old classics on Sci-Fi are getting cut down to 45 minutes or less...so Trio may not be butchers. And if they were edited, it could have been George Schlatter who cut them down a couple of minutes when he oversaw the remastering of the tapes for these runs. From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:48 am Subject: RE: [probe_control] Trio...which will seque to Search topic An awful season is the awful truth. I am wondering how long the networks are going to hold on if they keep putting out this tripe. I'd much rather watch Laugh-In than anything on TV right now. I loved it when it first aired. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com Home of "The Graveyards of Omaha" and "The New Twilight Zone" websites as well as "Memories of the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska" The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world Demolished August 20, 2001 for absolutely no reason by Methodist Health Systems Sign the Petition to protest the demolition of the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and tell him the theatre should have been reopened as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and tell them the theatre should have been saved, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Indian Hills and Cinerama and Widescreen Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies Lord Byron, Mary Shelley and Percy Bysshe Shelley Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/mary_percy_shelley -----Original Message----- From: actingman_jc [mailto:actingman@m...] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:02 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: [probe_control] Trio...which will seque to Search topic Thanks to Trio, I am able to watch the freshest, most relevent and refreshing show on tv right now...the original one hour versions of Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In. Man what an awful fall tv season we are in right now. As for Trio cutting...I don't know. They must be, I would think, cause the Laugh-Ins, minus commercials, are 48-49 minutes...but I don't know how long they should be. And the old classics on Sci-Fi are getting cut down to 45 minutes or less...so Trio may not be butchers. And if they were edited, it could have been George Schlatter who cut them down a couple of minutes when he oversaw the remastering of the tapes for these runs. As I type this, I am watching a Feb, 1968 episode with Leonard Nimoy making cameos...complete with Spock haircut, since this was taped around the time he was finishing up the second season of Star Trek. Now to bring this to Search: if they run the 72-73 season of Laugh- In, I am hoping one of the three Probes will have made a cameo (McClure made cameos when the Virgians was on.) Of course I don't know if Trio is running all of them. I got Directv in August, and they got as far as the middle of the September 1970 season, and then suddenly jumped back to the beginning. Does anybody know, or remember if any of the three made Search cameros on Laugh-In? The only Search related appearance on a tv show I remember (which I think I wrote about in this forum) was Doug McClure on the syndicated Jonathan Winters show. From: "actingman_jc" Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:26 pm Subject: Cheap copies of the pilot? Go to this link. If the page doesn't come up, then click on title, make sure it is set for VHS, and enter Probe . They are listing it for $14.24. If they do have it...it's a chance for everybody to get a high quality copy at a very reasonable price. http://www.moviesunlimited.com/musite/Affiliate/member/14/8.asp? page=product.asp&skuH1178 From: "actingman_jc" Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 11:55 pm Subject: A possible virus The list may have sent out a virus. When I tried to download it, my virus protection flagged it and blocked it. I removed the message from the site server. It's possible that it was a harmless file and my software is overreacting...but until I am sure let's all be careful. The file had a .mid extension. The subject header was something like CD File or something (I deleted it before I remembered to write it down.) I thik it is best to find the file and deleted it without trying to open it. It's possible one of our members has an infected computer, and if that is the case, we will help him with the problem. From: pdcsnr@a... Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 12:01 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] A possible virus I tried to download the file and nothing came up. The download didn't take. Paul From: "Skip Brown" Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 5:30 pm Subject: RE: [probe_control] A possible virus Hey gang.. .mid files are music files in case you didn’t know. I don’t think there is any way to hide a virus in a .mid file (also known as a “midi”). Perhaps we should get some from World Securities to look for an answer…. Hmmmmmm…… Skip P.S. I am working on a midi file for the Probe/Search Theme. Anyone know where to get the sheet music for the theme score? From: "actingman_jc" Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 7:19 pm Subject: Re: A possible virus Except that my virus program said it was a virus, and Don-2's ISP automatically blocked it and sent him a message saying it was a virus. I have the info at home as to what virus it was. I can look it up and see how it can hide itself. There are so many different tricks they use. Although it wasn't the case in this instance, one way they hide viruses is by the unfortunate default that later versions of Windows have to hiding the extension. So if you see a file called "picture.jpg", you will think it is safe. But if your machine is set to automaticlly hide the file extension, then someone could send you a virus that is named "picture.jpg.exe". The computer hides the .exe cause that is the extension, and all you see is "picture.jpg". You double click on it and *BOOM*. When I saw the message in question, I immediately was suspicios, because as I mentioned in an earlier post about those fradulent web sites that are being posted on some group lists, no one on this list will be posting a link or sending an attachment without an explanation. Also, it is possible that the file came from outside. I don't want to go into details here on the list...but I figured out a way. Anyway, I hope no harm has come to anyone. Any questions please feel free to write to me off-list. --- In probe_control@y..., "Skip Brown" wrote: > Hey gang.. > > .mid files are music files in case you didn't know. I don't think there > is any way to hide a virus in a .mid file (also known as a "midi"). > Perhaps we should get some from World Securities to look for an answer.. > Hmmmmmm.. > > Skip > > P.S. I am working on a midi file for the Probe/Search Theme. Anyone > know where to get the sheet music for the theme score? From: Steven Dawes Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: A possible virus It would help to set the group settings to not allow attachments. BTW, there is no virus in the HD-DVD banner below. actingman_jc wrote: Anyway, I hope no harm has come to anyone. Any questions please feel free to write to me off-list. -- Steven Dawes