From: "parrottm76262 " Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 2:08 am Subject: Re: Introductions Here is mine: My name is Martin Parrott, 45, and I work as an IT professional. I have been in the IT field since before we called it that, 1981! I watched the pilot and each series episode. I couldn't wait for them to air. I also used a tape recorder to tape the theme and some of the episodes. Like so many others, I have the old tape recorder, but the tapes have been lost over the years. I preferred the Hugh O'Brian episodes, but enjoyed them all. My best friend was in love with Angel Tompkins and only paid attention to the episodes to see her character. I thought Burgess Meredith held eveything together quite well and he was the perfect actor for his part. I recently just obtained the VHS tapes from others on this forum and am enjoying the episodes once again. Ah, bliss! I am in process of running the VHS tapes into my computer via firewire and will make VCD's of everything so I can watch the episodes without fearing the VHS tapes will break, glitch out, etc. Take care all! Martin Parrott From: pdcsnr@a... Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 4:15 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] Introductions Hi All: I'm Paul Clarke. I live in Canada and I'm 54 Years old. As a child my dreams were of becoming a cowboy then a detective then a lawyer. I always watched the westerns on tv back then so Wyatt Earp or Hugh O'Brian was a hero. When I heard he was doing another series, I was greatful for the exposure he got. I was excited after seeing the probe pilot. It was new and different from anything on tv at the time. Doug McClure had also done a western as well as a detective show and I enjoyed his acting as well. I was also a big comic fan and still follow them a bit. I belong to another group called comics to screen. They are very informative as to which characters are about to arrive in your local theater. I collect and trade several old tv shows and am looking forward to getting of the Search eps. Well that's about it for me for now. Paul From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 11:20 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Introductions Hello everyone Hello Jim Personal details?? Didn’t I suggest this last year?? Hope you work out the statistics of all of this, Jim. I’m Geoff Willmetts. Age 45 (46 this year) living in Somerset in the UK. My earlier background can be looked up where I’m currently editor, article writer, story-writer, reviewer on www.sfcrowsnest.com – the website details you see on signature at the bottom of each email sent in. There’s even an old moving picture of me taken on a damp day. Usually my hair’s a lot more fluffed up than that. Former life included being a scientist & running UK’s X-Men Fan Club for a number of years. [Jim, a lot of us are going to own up to an interest in comics y’know.] As a number of you have discovered I tend to know a lot about TV series, SF, science, espionage, technology – although its more to do with near-photographic recall than anal retention as I carry a lot of junk in my head. What I don’t carry there, I know where to look up. You’d hate to know what else I’m a fan of. Outside of SF as a taster, you can include Modesty Blaise & ‘The Destroyer’ pulp series. [Anyone know where I can lay my hands on the Remo film soundtrack CD – only recently discovered there was one & its deleted.] [It might be interesting to note how we found the Probe website by the way as it might assist in getting others to it.] Although I did do searches on the various search engines for ‘Search’ it became a bit nonsensical using the term ‘Search’. Switched to ‘Probe’ & various actor names. I must have stopped before the website came up. One of your regulars, Richard Rutherford, spotted my interest in the series cos it was in my biographical notes on the Net & linked me in. My erstwhile publisher puts a lot of cross-connections through Google & that’s how he found me. I freelance write when I can & wrote an article about ‘Search’ that included enlarged but black & white photos from my Lincoln stills in the UK magazine ‘TV Zone Special’ # 12 several years back dependent on my memories of the series plus the odd episode & pilot I had on video. Because I used my initials with the article some bright spark at their publishing house turned the ‘G’ into ‘Gary’. Based on what Richard’s noticed, some websites have used that piece for source for articles on ‘Search’. I’ve seen the odd one & any errors are theirs not mine. As far as I know, I think I’m the only one to have written & seen in print on article in ‘Search’ in the paper world. I know a few of you have picked up this mag as a back-issue. It’s also one of the most expensive on their list cos of nude pics of Katy Manning with a dalek from Doctor Who in it rather than my article. If you want to get a copy, look up: www.visimag.com/tvzone Having got some nice quality generation episodes from Australian Trevor, I’ve been revising my memories of ‘Search’. I first saw them all on BBC2 in 1973 although didn’t see the pilot until much later & is one of my most treasured videos. Frontiere’s music is one of the best I’ve ever heard & most memorable. The ‘Name Of The Game’ rotation format made a lot of sense. Too many series depend on showing one star getting all the cases. With ‘Search’, one could believe this was a busy organisation working. I loved the technology & it’s so nice to see Leslie Stevens’ assessment coming true today. [By the by, I’ve only just seen the Leslie Neilson film ‘Spy Hard’ – anyone else spot the ‘Search’ reference given by actor Robert Gulliame near the beginning using an audio jack??] Choosing favourite episodes is still tough. Certain aspects have dated & some aren’t so good but from what you chaps say has a lot to do with Leslie Stevens leaving the show. I do have a fondness for amongst others ‘Short Circuit’, ‘Suffer My Child’ (although largely for the memory of Control reviving a drowning Lockwood), ‘Let Us Prey’ & most of Lockwood cos they have some of the classiest moments. Gloria Harding trying to get messages through to a deaf Lockwood were classic & she has some of the bitchiest lines. I usually find something in each to like which is rather unusual for the critic in me. Merchandise-wise, I pulled scripts, stills & the photoset from Lincoln Enterprises years ago. I had the ‘Moonrock’ novelisation as a gift from a friend & didn’t get the ‘Search’ novelisation itself until a couple years back. Anyone looking for copies should check out www.abebooks.com. Hope the rest of you are forthcoming Gotta go Geoff Willmetts ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.com or http://www.computercrowsnestbooks.com THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER 'SFCrowsnest.com PageRanked by Google as the 2nd most popular Science Fiction site on the Internet' see: http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ 1st most popular SF PageRanked by Open Directory Project see: http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ *************************************************** From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 11:37 pm Subject: SPY HARD reference Geoff wrote: By the by, I've only just seen the Leslie Neilson film 'Spy Hard' - anyone else spot the 'Search' reference given by actor Robert Gulliame near the beginning using an audio jack?? ---------------------------------- NO!!! REALLY?!?!? For those of us that haven't seen SPY HARD, would you share your recollection of the reference in detail??? Thanks, Gary! Er.... Geoff! ;) Jim Alexander probecontrol@s... From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 1:15 am Subject: Introductions My husband, Steve (also on this list) and I have been Search fans since the pilot film. I'm 46, born, raised and continue to live in Omaha, Nebraska. I'm also a computer professional, as I see many of the people on this list are. I currently work for the largest family-owned bank in the midwest, in the Human Resources Information Services group. I do quite a bit of database work, as well as working with a 40-year-old mainframe payroll system that is a true dinosaur, and managing and designing the HR intranet site for the bank (which has over 900 separate pages of information that has to constantly be updated). I wrote the first review of the "Probe" pilot film on the IMDB, and I believe it was Don who emailed me, after reading the review, to tell me that the Search group was out there. That's when I joined the list. I'm also a comic book fan, but I mostly collect Carl Barks Scrooge McDuck and Donald comics. I never got into the super hero comics, but Steve did, so those are also in our collection. He's a big Spiderman and X-Men fan. I write on occasion, have finished a dozen books but haven't sold any yet (I've got the plot of a book in the back of my mind that could be a hit, if I'd find the time to start it), am a real fanatic on Omaha history, and also do all our personal websites as well as contract website work. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com Home of "The Graveyards of Omaha" and "The New Twilight Zone" (Read about the TZ Con!) websites as well as "Memories of the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska" The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world Demolished August 20, 2001 for absolutely no reason by Methodist Health Systems Sign the Petition to protest the demolition of the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and tell him the theatre should have been reopened as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and tell them the theatre should have been saved, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Indian Hills and Cinerama and Widescreen Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies From: "Skip Brown" Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 1:53 am Subject: More of the introductions Hey gang.. I know I introduced myself many months ago, but I will refresh your memory. I am Harlan "Skip" Brown, Jr. 41, a published freelance writer and screenwriter. I have been writing for 25 years. I love to write songs, poetry, scripts, web pages and am working on my first novel, plus possibly, a book of poetry. In addition, I am in touch with some "connections" in Hollywood, concerning a certain script for the revival of a CERTAIN Television series (after we determine who holds the rights to it). Recently I just left a Fortune 100 company, after nearly 8 years there, to pursue a more blessed occupation in overseas Christian missionary work (I have an opportunity to work for an international organization in Ireland, as soon as February). I was still in elementary school when SEARCH first came on, so I did not get to see more than three or four episodes. But they were memorable to me. Even at that age, I was coming up with my own storylines for the series. I loved T.V. so much, I used to make my own "network schedule" of TV shows I always wanted to see. I would write up blurbs for my new series, place them on the schedule, and then write "TV GUIDE" descriptions of certain episodes. I remember that I put SEARCH on at 9:00 pm, on Fridays, so I would be able to "see it". I had a wonderful imagination back then. The initial Pilot movie was one I had seen more than once, so the Lockwood character was the one I was most exposed to. About 15 years ago, when I had my first VCR, I taped a repeat of the Pilot, which is still shown occasionally on the TBS cable channel. I've worn it out in a couple of places, so I may break down and try to get copies of the whole series from you guys. I think most of you would agree with me, SEARCH was way before its time. There was at least one show that imitated it, but it was never as good as the original. I wonder if there would be enough interest to have a convention of our own? Have a good one! Skip Brown From: "crayresearch2001 " Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 2:49 am Subject: Introductions Name: Don-2(not to be confused with Don H)going on 42. Self employed and now into computers, but more as a hobbiest, no doubt Search was a great influence. I actually used a Basic network couputer terminal in high school, sort of "hacked" into it ;) Search piqued my curiosity for electronics projects at the time. When I used to spend hours listening to Short Wave on old WW2 vintage Military Radios, I would get that Search feeling coming over me. Especially with all those lights glowing in the dark. As a TV show search was just too cool. Used to watch it at my parents house, on black and white TV!!! But still remember it as being a totally awesome show. Recently showed my brother(Star Trek fan) some Search episodes and pointed out to him the connections to the Star Trek series. He liked it, but I think it's the original fans like us who are the most sentimental about the show. Burgess Meredith was great as Cameron, but after getting to know him as The Penguin, it was interesting to see him as the good guy, and good he was. After seeing remakes of Mission Impossible in the 80's and The Professionals(British cop show)in the 90's, I am sure that a remake of Seach would be possible but only successful if done properly, and what are the chances of that happening? If you look at Star Trek, they just added stuff to the original series, taking into account the passing of time. I think the same formula would work perfectly with Search, that is, if Warner Bros. was interested in the project. <<<>>> Don-2 Happy New year to the group members! From: "madelow " Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 1:40 pm Subject: Thanks to Jim for Tapes Jim-- Just received your tape package Friday (3rd). Thanks a million! Unfortunately, a long weekend of work & play rehearsal awaits. My reunion with Probe must wait till Monday. My next money order should be ready on Thursday the 16th, & in your hands Saturday the 18th. Please select 4 more great episodes! Delighted to see the membership growing. Bet they thought nobody else remembered :). Later, Chris. From: dmanmetz@a... Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 3:25 pm Subject: Introductions Name: Chris Metz, 32. I'm sure everyone is laughing since I am probably the youngest member in the group. I was two when Search came on the air, but I didn't catch it until the repeats in the summer of 1973. My mother had liked the show mainly because she liked Hugh O'Brian in "The Life and Legend of Wyatt Earp" and Doug McClure in "The Virginian" Anyway as a child I was to young to follow the plots, but I understood that there was a different Probe agent every week and that they had ear jacks implanted in their ears to talk to Cameron at Probe Control. Every time there was an action scene ( and there were plenty of them) or the flashing lights of Probe Control, my undivided attention was given to the show. My older brother of three years also helped inform of what was going on. I have a great memory and for the longest time I had images of Search in my head. I remember a "Honeymoon to Kill" very well. Especially the car chase scene and Grover getting thrown off of his Corvette (which started my love affair with cars) when it was stolen from him later on in the episode. I remember being scared when Lockwood was thrown overboard into the water by the "Frog men" in "Suffer my Child". Funny thing, the scream scared me first and then I thought the guys in the scuba diving suits were monsters!(LOL) Ahhhhhhhhhh, the imagination of a three year old :) The last episode that stuck in my mind was Cameron being kidnaped and under all those lights in "Moment of Madness". I don't recall many Bianco episodes, but I do remember seeing one were it was night time through the whole episode and it lost my interest. Having seen the videos as an adult, I have come to the conclusion that it was probably "Twenty-four Karot Hit". When my brother and I would play together, he would be Bianco and I was Grover. Another reason Search stated in my memory was that like everyone else in the group, the pilot was shown numerous times in syndication in the 70's and up to the mid 80s. For the longest time my brother and I could never figure out why Search had made it to syndication. I had high hopes in the mid 90's when the Sci-Fi channel started showing 70's sci-fi shows that had also liked as a kid: The Invisible Man (1975), Gemini Man(1976), The Magician (1973), Auto Man (1984), etc. I just knew Search was gonna show up, but it didn't, and I was crushed :( That's why I was overjoyed when I found this site in 2000 was able to the see the show as adult and fully understand it. Thank God for the Internet. It's great to tap into childhood memories when not working. Presently I'm a Captain in US Army. Welcome to all the new members. Chris From: "jeff sage " Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 4:35 pm Subject: the magician i thought that was a great show. i taped all the episodes when they ran on sci-fi. here's an episode guide for all you fans of the series The Magician 1 E 1 SP The Magician[90 Min Pilot] 17-Mar-73 2 E 1 SP The Manhunter 2-Oct-73 3 E 1 SP The Vanishing Lady 9-Oct-73 4 E 1 SP Illusion in Terror 23-Oct-73 5 E 1 SP Lightning on a Dry Day(Mark Hamill) 30-Oct-73 6 E 1 SP Ovation for Murder 6-Nov-73 7 E 1 SP Men on Fire 20-Nov-73 8 E 1 SP Lady in a Trap 27-Nov-73 9 E 1 SP The Man Who Lost Himself 11-Dec-73 10 E 1 SP Nightmare in Steel 18-Dec-73 11 E 1 SP Shattered Image 8-Jan-74 12 E 1 SP The Illusion of the Curious Counterfeit[Part 1] 14- Jan-74 13 E 1 SP The Illusion of the Curious Counterfeit[Part 2] 21- Jan-74 14 E 1 SP The Stainless Steel Lady 28-Jan-74 15 E 1 SP The Illusion of the Queen's Gambit 4-Feb-74 16 E 1 SP The Illusion of Black Gold 11-Feb-74 17 E 1 SP The Illusion of the Lost Dragon 18-Feb-74 18 E 1 SP The Illusion of the Deadly Conglomerate 25-Feb-74 19 E 1 SP The Illusion of the Fatal Arrow 4-Mar-74 20 E 1 SP The Illusion of the Lethal Playthings 18-Mar-74 21 E 1 SP The Illusion of the Cat's Eye 25-Mar-74 22 E 1 SP The Illusion of Evil Spikes 15-Apr-74 From: "jeff sage " Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 4:39 pm Subject: wyatt earp i'm looking to complete my run of wyatt earp. just wondering if anyone has any episodes. i have about 80 off air. i'll post the episodes i have and need. if listed as wanted i need the episode if it has a quality code i have it. thanks for any help. i have much to trade. Wyatt Earp 1 Wanted Mr. Earp Becomes Marshal(First Season) 2 Wanted Mr. Earp Meets a Lady 3 Wanted Bill Thompson Gives in 4 Wanted Marshal Earp Meets General Lee 5 Wanted Marshal Earp's Romance 6 Wanted The Man who Lied 7 Wanted The Gambler 8 Wanted The Killer 9 Wanted John Wesley Hardin 10 Wanted The Bank Robbers 11 Wanted Shanghai Pierce 12 Wanted The Big Baby Contest 13 Wanted Frontier Journalism was Fearless 14 Wanted Trail's End for a Cowboy 15 Wanted Rich Man's Son 16 Wanted The Buntline Special 17 Wanted Ben Thompson Returns 18 Wanted Marshal Earp Plays Cupid 19 Wanted The Assassins 20 E 1 LP It's a Wise Calf 21 Wanted Mr. Cousin and Mr. Brother 22 Wanted The Bribe 23 Wanted The Frontier Theatre 24 Wanted Killing at Cowskin Creek 25 E 1 LP The Englishman 26 Wanted The Desperate Half-Hour 27 E 1 LP The Necktie Party 28 E 1 LP One of Jesse's Gang 29 E 1 LP The Pinkertons 30 E 1 LP The Suffragette 31 E 1 LP Hunt the Man Down 32 E 1 LP The War of the Colonels 33 E 1 LP Bat Masterson Again 34 Wanted King of the Cattle Trails 35 E 1 LP Wichita is Civilized(Second Season) 36 E 1 LP Dodge City Gets a New Marshal 37 E 1 LP Fight of Run 38 E 1 LP The Double Life of Dora Hand 39 E 1 LP Clay Allison 40 E 1 LP Wyatt's Love Affair 41 E 1 LP A Quiet Day in Dodge City 42 E 1 LP The Almost Dead Cowhand 43 E 1 LP The Reformation of Jim Kelly 44 E 1 LP So Long, Dora, So Long 45 E 1 LP Bat Masterson Wins His Star 46 E 1 LP The Lonesomest Man in the World 47 E 1 LP Take Back Your Town 48 E 1 LP Nineteen Notches on His Gun 49 E 1 LP The Hanging Judge 50 E 1 LP Justice 51 E 1 LP Shootin' Woman 52 E 1 LP The Man who Rode With Custer 53 E 1 LP Wyatt and the Captain 54 E 1 LP Witness for the Defense 55 Wanted The Sharpshooter 56 E 1 LP Siege at Little Alamo 57 E 1 LP Vengeance Trail 58 E 1 LP Command Performance 59 E 1 LP They Hired Some Guns 60 E 1 LP Bat Masterson for Sheriff 61 E 1 LP Hang `Em High 62 E 1 LP The Vultures 63 E 1 LP Young Gun 64 Wanted The Nice Ones Always Die First 65 E 1 LP Old Jake 66 E 1 LP The Equalizer 67 E 1 LP Wyatt Meets Doc Holiday 68 E 1 LP Beautiful Friendship 69 E 1 LP Dull Knife Strikes for Freedom 70 E 1 LP The Gold Brick 71 E 1 LP The Wicked Widow 72 E 1 LP They Think They're Immortal 73 E 1 LP A Time for all Good Men 74 E 1 LP Call Me Your Honor(Third Season) 75 Wanted The Big Bellyache 76 Wanted Pinkytown 77 Wanted Shoot to Kill 78 Wanted Wells Fargo vs. Doc Holiday 79 Wanted Warpath 80 Wanted Hung Jury 81 Wanted Little Pistol 82 Wanted The Magic Puddle 83 Wanted Mr. Buntline's Vacation 84 Wanted Fortitude 85 Wanted The Good and Perfect Gift 86 E 1 LP Indian Wife 87 E 1 LP Woman Trouble 88 Wanted Shadow of a Man 89 E 1 LP Bad Woman 90 E 1 LP One Man's Army 91 E 1 LP The General's Lady 92 E 1 LP The Manly Art 93 E 1 LP Sweet Revenge 94 E 1 LP The Imitation Jesse James 95 E 1 LP The Kansas Lily 96 E 1 LP Wyatt Earp Rides Shotgun 97 E 1 LP Wyatt Fights 98 E 1 LP Ballad and Truth 99 E 1 LP The School Teacher 100 E 1 LP When Sherman Marched Through Kansas 101 E 1 LP Big Brother Virgil 102 E 1 LP It Had to Happen 103 E 1 LP County Seat War 104 Wanted One[Part 1] 105 E 1 LP The Underdog 106 Wanted Two[Part 2] 107 E 1 LP Doc Holiday Rewrites History 108 Wanted Three[Part 3] 109 E 1 LP Dig a Grave for Ben Thompson 110 E 1 LP Four[Part 4] 111 E 1 LP The Frame-Up 112 E 1 LP My Husband 113 E 1 LP The Hole Up(Fourth Season) 114 E 1 LP The Peacemaker 115 E 1 LP The Bounty Killer 116 E 1 LP Caught by a Whisker 117 Wanted The Mysterious Cowhand 118 Wanted The Gatling Gun 119 Wanted Cattle Thieves 120 Wanted Remittance Man 121 Wanted King of the Frontier 122 Wanted Truth About Gunfighting 123 Wanted Frontier Woman 124 Wanted Santa Fe War 125 Wanted Plague Carrier 126 Wanted Kill the Editor 127 Wanted Little Brother 128 Wanted The Reformation of Doc Holiday 129 Wanted A Good Man 130 Wanted Death for a Stolen Horse 131 Wanted Last Stand at Smokey Hill 132 E 1 LP The Muleskinner 133 Wanted Earp Ain't Wearing Guns 134 Wanted Bat Jumps the Reservation 135 Wanted The Truth About Rawhide Geraghty 136 Wanted She Almost Married Wyatt 137 Wanted Horse Race 138 Wanted Juveniles...1878 139 Wanted One Murder...Fifty Suspects 140 Wanted How to be Sheriff 141 Wanted The Judas Goat 142 Wanted Doc Fabrique's Greatest Case 143 E 1 LP The Actress 144 Wanted Love and Shotgun Gibbs 145 Wanted Little Gray Home in the West 146 Wanted The Cyclone 147 E 1 LP Kelly was Irish 148 E 1 LP Arizona Comes to Dodge 149 Wanted Dodge City...Hail and Farewll(Fifth Season) 150 Wanted The Trail to Tombstone 151 Wanted Tombstone 152 Wanted Wyatt's Decision 153 Wanted Lineup for Battle 154 Wanted The Nugget and the Epitaph 155 Wanted The Perfidy of Shotgun Gibbs 156 Wanted You Can't Fight City Hall 157 Wanted Behan Shows His Hand 158 Wanted The Ring of Death 159 Wanted Wyatt Wins One 160 Wanted The Fugitive 161 Wanted The Noble Outlaws 162 Wanted The Paymaster 163 Wanted The Claytons' Family Row 164 E 1 LP The Matchmaker 165 Wanted Get Shotgun Gibbs 166 Wanted A Murderer's Return[Part 1] 167 Wanted The Big Fight at Total Wreck[Part 2] 168 Wanted Frontier Surgeon 169 Wanted Let's Hang Curly Bill 170 Wanted Silver Dollar 171 Wanted The Case of Senor Huerto 172 Wanted The Arizona Lottery 173 Wanted Don't Get Tough With a Sailor 174 Wanted The Scout 175 Wanted The Buntline Special 176 Wanted China Mary 177 Wanted His Life in His Hands 178 Wanted Behan's Double Game 179 Wanted The Salvation of Emma Clanton 180 Wanted John Clum, Fighting Editor 181 Wanted The Judge 182 Wanted The Court vs. Doc Holiday 183 Wanted Roscoe Turns Detective 184 Wanted The Posse 185 Wanted The Confidence Man 186 Wanted The Toughest Judge in Arizona 187 Wanted My Enemy...John Behan 188 Wanted Wyatt's Bitterest Enemy 189 Wanted The Truth About Old Man Clanton(Sixth Sesaon) 190 Wanted The Doctor 191 Wanted Johnny Behind the Gun 192 Wanted Shoot to Kill 193 Wanted Study of a Crooked Sheriff 194 Wanted Big Brother 195 Wanted Woman of Tucson 196 Wanted The Fanatic 197 Wanted He's My Brother 198 Wanted The Too Perfect Crime 199 Wanted Johnny Ringo's Girl 200 Wanted Miss Sadie 201 Wanted Winning Streak 202 Wanted Billy Buckett, Incorporated 203 Wanted Horse Thief 204 Wanted Terror in the Desert 205 Wanted Old Slanders Never Die 206 Wanted Loyalty 207 Wanted Johnny Behan Falls in Love 208 Wanted Casey and the Clowns 209 Wanted Doc Holiday Faces Death 210 Wanted Apache Gold 211 Wanted The Good Mule and the Bad Mule 212 Wanted Clanton and Cupid 213 Wanted Wyatt Takes the Primrose Path 214 Wanted The Convict's Revenge 215 Wanted Until Proven Guilty 216 Wanted The Shooting Stars 217 Wanted Wyatt Earp's Baby 218 Wanted The Law Must be Fair 219 Wanted A Papa for Butch and Ginger 220 Wanted Hiding Behind a Star 221 Wanted Requiem for Old Man Clanton[Part 1] 222 Wanted Wyatt's Brothers Join Up[Part 2] 223 Wanted Just Before the Battle[Part 3] 224 Wanted Gunfight at the O.K. Corral[Part 4] 225 Wanted The Outlaws Cry Murder From: "dghprobe3 " Date: Sun Jan 5, 2003 6:47 am Subject: Wyatt Earp & SEARCH parallels (if any)? --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "jeff sage" wrote: > i'm looking to complete my run of wyatt earp. just wondering if > anyone has any episodes. i have about 80 off air... Hi Jeff: I don't have any "Wyatt Earp" episodes, nor have I ever seen an episode all the way through, however I think there may be folks on this list that have some episodes. This brings up a question I've often wondered about. Since you've seen and have taped many "Wyatt Earp" shows, are there any parallels between that show and SEARCH? Do any of the same guest stars or production people recur in both series? Thanks for any help anyone can give on this. --Don H. From: jeffrey sage Date: Sun Jan 5, 2003 1:15 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Wyatt Earp & SEARCH parallels (if any)? don, having only seen bits and pieces of search, and never a whole episode, i really can't answer that question, yet.i was very young when the show first aired. and have never seen it in syndication. mostly everything i've heard about the show is second hand. i've been trying to find copies of episodes for quite some time, without any luck. it was until i stumbled across this site, that i found they are available. i'm waiting on some episodes now. when i start to get them in i'll let everyone know what i think. jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: dghprobe3 To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 1:47 AM Subject: [probe_control] Wyatt Earp & SEARCH parallels (if any)? --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "jeff sage" wrote: > i'm looking to complete my run of wyatt earp. just wondering if > anyone has any episodes. i have about 80 off air... Hi Jeff: I don't have any "Wyatt Earp" episodes, nor have I ever seen an episode all the way through, however I think there may be folks on this list that have some episodes. This brings up a question I've often wondered about. Since you've seen and have taped many "Wyatt Earp" shows, are there any parallels between that show and SEARCH? Do any of the same guest stars or production people recur in both series? Thanks for any help anyone can give on this. --Don H. From: Marc Dubé Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 12:20 am Subject: Where are those old episodes of "Search"? I was twelve when I first saw "Search" halfway through the 73 summer reruns. I fell in love with the show. I was looking forward the second season but to my great disappointment it never came back. Is there any way to get copies of the episodes? I have only seen a few shows, it would be awesome to see the entire season. Has anyone talked to "Warner Brothers" about releasing all the episodes on CDs or VHS? I have a feeling the only way to get them at least for now is through other individuals with tape copies. Is anyone out there willing to share their collection? From: "Scott Yeager " Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 7:35 pm Subject: WHERE ARE THE TAPES/VHS at least? Hi just joined,the names Scott,proud to be nobody in Ohio.Out here it's one big ice cube til spring and even here I just happened across both SEARCH books at a garage sale, an picked them up for 50 cents.Someone's mom finily cleaned out there room.I was thirteen when search was on disprite to replace "Star trek".I even made a scanner out of some of my mother's old jewelry.I looked over the site but found no pictures of the scanners I now have the ablitity to reproduce them with a pretty good likeness,anyone interested in providing pictures of the scanner just to see what can be done?Also I'd love to see the tapes of old episodes,what a great show it was. (Ah-oh mom's coming down the basement gotta go). From: "actingman_jc " Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 7:56 pm Subject: Scanner images http://probecontrol.com/Episodes/imagepages/Probe009.html http://probecontrol.com/Episodes/imagepages/Probe058.html http://probecontrol.com/Episodes/imagepages/Probe070.html http://probecontrol.com/Merchadise/Images/Scanner.jpg From: Michael Beacom Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:03 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] Introductions Greetings. I'm Michael and I'm from Omaha. I'm at the tail end of the baby boom (born in '64, only 38) but I remember Search very well. I first remember Search, seeing it advertised on tv. I remember the tv commercial, and the one shot that stuck in my mind was seeing the red Probe Control screen with a fish-eye view of what I would later discover was Lockwood's hand on a car's steering wheel- it was unusual because the camera's POV was that of the driver and this was before cameras were routinely in racecars etc. I watched most of the episodes, although after a while only images from some stick in my mind (Lockwood racing around a beach in a dune buggy - I wanted the Dune Buggy. Grover getting punched by a thug who was wearing the Probe so we got a fist-eye-view of him getting smacked, etc.). I wanted it to go on, so I wrote my own search scripts on an electric Underwood Scriptor type writer - Then, in the latter 70's, a couple of wonderful things happened; late nite TV started rerunning the pilot film (I remember setting up my tape recorder with a patch-cable from my father's radio, which could pick up all of the tv stations, and recording Search on cassettes and waiting with breathless anticipation for the show to begin. Yes, this was before VCR's.) and someone left two books in a used book store - one was Search and the other was the adaptation of Moonrock. Also, I was getting a newsletter from Gene Roddenberry's Lincoln Enterprises, and he started offering film clips. I ordered all my allowance could afford. I rediscovered Search all over again. In the 80's my house got a vcr and cable at about the same time, and two superstations ran the Search pilot within a week of each other, so I got two copies, and using that and the audio tape as a guide was able to splice together a complete version of the pilot without commercials or omissions. I still have it all to this day. The latest great re-discovery was finding this site dedicated to the series, and it has allowed me to relive it all over again. I don't always have a lot to add because the individuals here are very on-the-ball and it is usually said or done before I can add my two cents, but that is okay. It's always stimulating to tune in. Michael B. Jim Alexander wrote: > Franklin Berke wrote: > > >... I have close friend who is a few years older than me, > but he was always > into action and adventure series. > ------------------------------- > The thought crossed my mind when I read this, I wondered > how old Franklin > was. In fact, I am often curious what kind of 'age range' > the discerning > folks who've stumbled across (or rather sought-out!) John > and Bryan's > probecontrol page encompass. > > I usually don't go for this kind of thing, but seeing as > we're a tight-knit > kind'a group (though we're strung across more than one > continent), I was > wondering if y'all would be interested in writing a bit > about yourselves? > How old you are. What you do for a living. Where you > live. And if you > feel led, your first (best?) memories of our favorite > little one-season > wonder? > > In fact... with over 100 members on this list, it'd be > nice (ESPECIALLY for > some of the newer members, perhaps) to get to know each > other a bit > better... don'tchathink? > > I'll start the ball rolling: > > I'm Jim Alexander. I'm 43. I've worked in local > Television production for > about 22 years now. I live in Evansville, Indiana (that's > in the > southernmost tip of the state). I remember watching the > very first > broadcast of the SEARCH pilot, and being thrilled by it. > I was on hand for > the SECOND airing, and of course... the series. I was so > crazy about the > show, I audio-taped the pilot, and many of the episodes > (though the > recordings are vastly inferior to the nice recordings > listmember Don Harden > made in '72-'73). I've loved comic books since I was > small, and being a > frustrated comic book artist... even co-wrote a series of > 'Search' comics > during the period when the show was out--with my best > buddy at the time. We > gave the show a slight 'slant' however. Our Probes worked > NOT for World > Securities... but for S.E.A.R.C.H.-- The Space and Earth > Association's > Rescue Control Headquarters. ;) And the comic 'starred' > me (as Probe One, > natch'), and all of my friends... in 'supporting roles' as > various Probes, > Probe Control technicians... and the like. > > Anyway... before I run off at the mouth TOO much... I'll > end. And I hope > the rest of you might feel led to tell us a bit about > YOURselves... :) > > Jim > probecontrol@s... From: Marc Dubé Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:19 pm Subject: To Jim, I will perchace some episodes. Hi Jim. I tried to reply to your e-mail but it kept comming back to me because of an antispam program form your server. I don't know how to get around that. Anyhow here is my responce. Hi Jim! Thanks for your quick response about copies of the Search episodes. I am interested in starting my collection. "TV Party.com" suggests a few episodes as being memorable, according to them anyways, so I will start with tape number 3,4,6. I will order the others a bit later. I live in Hull Québec, Canada. Sometime I use "UPS" to ship things from the States. The two to five day shipping options are reasonably priced, overnight service can be to expensive but it depends from where. You mentioned "Media Mail" in your e-mail, I don't know what that is. I assume you don't take Visa. I guess a "postal money order" will be used. I will need the name to who I make it out to, I guess it will be "Jim Alexander" and of course a mailing address. I will send you my complete mailing address along with my money order. I guess that is it for now. Can't wait to see this stuff. Marc From: yorktowncmdr@a... Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 3:36 am Subject: Introduction Greetings! My name is David, and I have been a longtime S e A r c h fan during its run in 1972-1973. I was heartbroken when NBC did not renew the series. I have been married to my beloved wife for ten years. Thanks to me she is discovering Search as I am rediscovering it. I am a computer programmer by training; only, my current job requires a good systems tech without the programming. It pays the bills. My hobbies include reading especially if it's science fiction and cryptology. I am a bit of a codecracker if I'm not crackers. As it happens my wife and I will be visiting the UK later this year. I will be attending a cryptological conference at the historic Bletchley Park. This is tantamount to a trip to Mecca for a Muslim. I might add that I am a bit of a German speaker too, but opportunities don't exist too often for me to speak it. As I remember there is an episode calling for cryptanalysis. It was 'The Packagers'. C. R. Grover wanders into a command-and-control center to find on the chart table and encrypted message. Probe Control captures it on the scanner, and Griffin turns his decryption program loose on it revealing a schedule for a coup. I owe it to Search to inspire me further to pursue computing studies. I certainly didn't get a job with the NSA, but I've learned enough over the years to develop some cryptanalytic applications as a hobby. David From: "franklinberke " Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:24 am Subject: Just Like New; Almost Like Watching It for the First Time… Hi Folks Thanks to Jim and Don and I am sure to whoever else has helped in the past gathering all the Search episodes that most of you now have, I am watching Search again!!! :) I cannot possibly praise them enough. Thank you all. I've watched six episodes so far going in order of their original broadcast date. I haven't even a glimmer of recognition of any the episodes I've seen so far. So instead of Deja vu - It's like brand NEW. One thing that did strike me after watching the "Iceman" episode is how interesting it is that script ideas keep turning up. Take for example the "Iceman" episode where Nick and several other Probes are on the trail of a notorious Hit-man. The suspense continues to build with each step they take as Nick and the others are thwarted at each turn, and even Nick's old friend, David Pelham who taught him all he knew when Nick became a Probe, is killed. Finally it becomes plain to Nick that there is a traitor in Probe. Nick finally figures out that it is his supposedly recently killed old friend David who is the "Iceman" and stops him just in the – nick – of time. Contrast that plot with one of the Alias ABC series' plots. Specifically the one entitled "Snowman" where Sydney, the lead character who is a spy, is on the trail of an international Hit-Man named the "Snowman". Even their professional names are similar. Even though there is nothing obvious about an inside traitor there is a subtle hint of it throughout the episode. Still the shocking climax where Sydney confronts and fights the Snowman and accidentally kills him in the process pales in comparison when she realizes that it is her recent one-time lover / spy named Noah who has supposedly flown off fleeing the spy business who turns out to be the "Snowman". It quite surprises me to see so many similarities, and I wonder...were they intentional? Does someone else remember the Search "Iceman" episode and thought to rehash it? Anyhow, there is another Search episode that also shares a cross over element with another later run series, but I want to see the Search episode that I have in mind first before I comment upon it. Until next time…have a good day. Franklin From: "dghprobe3 " Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:56 am Subject: From The Iceman to The Snowman --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, franklinberke wrote: <<<{"Operation Iceman"} plot with one of the Alias ABC series' plots. Specifically the one entitled "Snowman" where Sydney, the lead character who is a spy, is on the trail of an international Hit-Man named the "Snowman". Even their professional names are similar. Even though there is nothing obvious about an inside traitor there is a subtle hint of it throughout the episode. Still the shocking climax where Sydney confronts & fights the Snowman & accidentally kills him in the process pales in comparison when she realizes that it is her recent one-time lover/spy named Noah who has supposedly flown off fleeing the spy business who turns out to be the "Snowman">>> Hmm. Sounds like too much of a coincidence. Thanks, Franklin, for a terrific first post and for sharing the above with us. Sometimes it is difficult to tell where homage ends and a rip-off begins. If anyone can manage to find a VHS dub of this "Alias" episode, please let us know. Sounds very similar to that "X-Files" episode someone mentioned awhile back which featured the survellance angle and a "Bianco" character, obviously paying homage to our obscure favorite. Then again, this is done all the time in TV and movies. Classic Trek paid homage to the movie "The Enemy Below" in their "Balance of Terror" episode. Robert Bloch paid homage to H. P. Lovecraft in most of the Trek and "Thriller" scripts he wrote. "Star Wars" essentially used much of John Wayne's "The Searchers" for inspiration, "Forbidden Planet" borrowed from Shakespeare's "The Tempest," and so on. But let's face it, how many average viewers would recall SEARCH? --Don H. From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:28 pm Subject: homages Hello everyone Hello Don & Franklin We're still watching Season One of 'Alias' in the UK. It's not helped much by them not giving the episode title with the episodes. Can you be specific to which episode it is, Franklin?? There must be an episode guide on the Net. As it was me who pointed out 'The X-Files' with the 'Search' references, I have to say it has to be a bit more than a name reference to make a definitive homage. Calling an 'assassin' the Snowman doesn't mean much in itself. These days, you wouldn't can as assassin an 'Iceman' cos there's a definite drugs connection. Then again, snow is also slang for cocaine. Anyone making a homage is likely to have more than one reference. In some respects, Don, I think we're under-estimating the influence of 'Search' on the 40-something age group. The fact that it can be seen as obscure might be the incentive of writers or directors to incorporate something they remember without worrying that they might be sued over it. As to the references to other series. Scriptwriters have been doing that sorta thing all the time. With people like Robert Bloch, it's usually a reference to his references as a top of the hat is a genuine homage. Somethings like 'Forbidden Planet' ripped off the plot of 'The Tempest' deliberately. The argument like that new animation film from Disney turning 'Treasure Island' into an outer space adventure is just lazy plotting. Familiarity doesn't guarantee a sure-fire hit. Does anyone want to remember a similar thing applied back in the early 70s to an animation series called 'Rocket Robin Hood'?? With Hollywood wanting to guarantee a good return for their money these days, if they can't do poor takes on TV series then it's a fair bet that they'll play around with existing strong plots. Gotta go Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.com or http://www.computercrowsnestbooks.com THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER 'SFCrowsnest.com PageRanked by Google as the 2nd most popular Science Fiction site on the Internet' see: http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ 1st most popular SF PageRanked by Open Directory Project see: http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ *************************************************** From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 12:07 am Subject: Name of the Game Anyone on the list have any of the "Name of the Game" episodes? I've developed a hankering to see them again. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com Home of "The Graveyards of Omaha" and "The New Twilight Zone" (Read about the TZ Con!) websites as well as "Memories of the Indian Hills Theatre in Omaha, Nebraska" The last round Super-Cinerama theatre in the world Demolished August 20, 2001 for absolutely no reason by Methodist Health Systems Sign the Petition to protest the demolition of the Indian Hills Online! http://www.PetitionOnline.com/steve/petition.html Call Stephen Long, CEO of Methodist, at 402-354-4000 and tell him the theatre should have been reopened as a working film venue. Email comments@b..., Methodist's website, and tell them the theatre should have been saved, and pass the email address and phone number on to everyone you know! And --- Join the Indian Hills and Cinerama and Widescreen Discussion Group http://www.egroups.com/group/cinerama_widescreen_movies From: "dghprobe3 " Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:14 am Subject: Name of the Game dubs --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Marta Dawes" wrote: > Anyone on the list have any of the "Name of the Game" episodes? > I've developed a hankering to see them again... Hi Marta: I have several "TNOTG" episodes, all dubs of varying quality from various sources. As many on this list know, that 90 minute NBC series of the late 60's featured Tony Franciosa as Jeff Dillon. Leslie Stevens was one of the producer-writer-directors and Dominic Frontiere did a lot of background music (Dave Grusin did the jazzy theme music). Listmembers can send me an email so they can find out how to get these. These shows were 70 minutes each, so you can only get two episodes on a T-120 at SP speed. The episodes I have: PILOT Movie "Fame is the Name of the Game" (Franciosa). Leslie Stevens had no connection with the pilot. Directed by Stu Rosenberg. Much of the ending of this movie reminds me of "Operation Iceman" as it involves a shootout in a parking garage. (Without commercials, this is 96 min.) (From a fairly good 16mm print.) "Fear of High Places" (Franciosa). Guest star Robert Webber as a politician whose faces possible scandal. (Good quality Mystery Channel dub.) "Incomparable Connie Walker" (Franciosa). Guest star Ivan Dixon as a 1960's black mayor. Written by Leslie Stevens. Music by Dominic Frontiere. (Mystery Channel dub.) "The Glory Shouter" (Robert Stack). Guest star William Shatner as a preacher possibly facing scandal. Directed by Joseph Pevney (Star Trek). (Mystery Channel dub I got from Jim Alexander.) "LA 2017" (Gene Barry). Guest star Barry Sullivan, who greets Glenn Howard (Barry) as he awakens in the year 2017 in this sci-fi oriented story. Directed by Steven Spielberg. (Good Mystery Channel dub.) "Collector's Edition" (Franciosa). Guest star John Saxon. (Mystery Channel dub of a dub, so it has a fuzzy quality.) Directed and co- written by Leslie Stevens. "Jenny Wilde is Drowning" (Franciosa). Guest star Frank Gorshin as a disc jockey. (Similar to "Collector's Edition," Mystery Channel dub of a dub.) "Shine On Jesse Gil" (Franciosa). Guest star Darren McGavin as a possibly corrupt southern politician investigated by Jeff Dillon. (Video & sound quality is not as good as the others, from a faded 16mm print.) Directed by Leslie Stevens. "Blind Man's Bluff" (Franciosa). Guest star Jack Klugman. (Like "Jesse Gil," from a faded 16mm print.) ------------------------- I'm on the lookout for any other episodes, especially the ones featuring Franciosa, plus those that were either written or directed by Leslie Stevens. A while back I made an audio CD with Dominic Frontiere's music pulled from "Name of the Game," some of it similar to music he later did for SEARCH. --Don H. From: "dghprobe3 " Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:20 am Subject: Re: Name of the Game --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Marta Dawes" wrote: > Anyone on the list have any of the "Name of the Game" episodes? List of episodes plus original airdates at - http://jennydee.home.mindspring.com/tnotg.html From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:32 am Subject: SEARCH cast on TV this month Earlier on this list, Tony Franciosa's "Matt Helm" series was discussed. The pilot movie for that series will air this month at the times and channels listed below from the TV Now site: Matt Helm 75 minutes- USA, 1975 Directed by Buzz Kulik and starring Tony Franciosa, Patrick Macnee, Ann Turkel Gene Evans, Hari Rhodes, James Shigeta A private eye becomes involved with black marketeers supplying munitions to a mercenary group in Africa. Wed Jan 8 04:50A ACT- Encore's Action Channel Sat Jan 11 06:20A ACT- Encore's Action Channel Thu Jan 23 04:00A ACT- Encore's Action Channel Thu Jan 23 05:00A PLEX- Encore's Movie Plex Thu Jan 23 12:00P ACT- Encore's Action Channel Thu Jan 23 01:00P PLEX- Encore's Movie Plex This and other Franciosa shows and movies are listed at: http://www.tv-now.com/stars/tonyfran.html -------------------------------------------- Hugh O'Brian shows & movies this month: http://www.tv-now.com/stars/hughob.html -------------------------------------------- Doug McClure shows & movies this month: http://www.tv-now.com/stars/mcclure.html -------------------------------------------- Burgess Meredith shows & movies this month: http://www.tv-now.com/stars/bmerdith.html -------------------------------------------- TV Now Home Page & search engine: http://www.tv-now.com/stars/ -------------------------------------------- From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:59 am Subject: Domestic Surveillance & Mind Control Technology? http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=27699 Domestic Surveillance and Mind Control Technology? The following are the first six pages of evidence in a lawsuit filed by a citizen against the National Security Agency (NSA) in 1992 alleging harassment and seeking relief for same. This lawsuit was filed in the U.S. Courthouse in Washington, D.C. (More at link above.) From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 6:25 am Subject: Sealed SEARCH View Master on eBay Letting y'all know that a nice, sealed SEARCH View Master is on eBay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3202094267&category=411 Jim Alexander probecontrol@s... From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:18 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] NSA Survelliance Hello everyone & Don-2 Interesting piece about the NSA surveillance but not entirely sure it’s accurate. When you look at the statistics of 50,000 NSA agents looking over the entire population of the USA, I think my previous argument holds up. Each agent would be looking over a minimum of a couple million people. What does he do for lunch?? All the info recorded in the world ain't going to mean much unless it was analysed. What they can & do do is entirely subjective. Even using keywords to analyse e-mail can give false information. Look what happens if you use the wrong combination of words in a search engine if you need a demonstration. When I was investigating 'animation' when I first started using the Net regularly, I ended up with stacks of porn sites!!! What has that got to do with film animation??!! AIs would still have similar problems. No matter how modern or advanced the computer, it’s still dependent on software. The transient nature of the USA has people moving on all the time, so it is probably a lot easier to cause some people to disappear. Saying that, if you do have roots put down & lots of friends, it's a lot harder to remove someone without arousing some suspicion. Who is this chap Rayelan anyway?? He's blending in some facts with speculation here in my opinion. Considering the problems you people currently have with polygraph/lie detectors effectiveness, I'd have to say the same thing would apply to any machine looking at brainwaves a thousand times more. Brainwave voltage is extremely low & you need to have sensors stuck to your head to pick them up. This is old stuff. Whether you can look at a wavy line & tell something about what someone is thinking let alone an exact thought is speculative. Hands up all those of you who are consciously 'thinking', that is verbalising inside your head ALL the time?? Not many if any & I include myself on that list. I don't think machines let alone humans are going to be that clever just yet. As to mind control. Well, unless the vast majority of you voting Republican to get Bush elected President then no. Come to think of it, he did get in, didn't he?!! :-) Seriously though, if such devices were in use, how & why would that writer get such info & print it without the NSA on his back & make him disappear. If such machinery was in operation, why send US troops to wait around Iraq when all you'd need is to apply the same technique to the people there & have them hand Saddam over?? Such technology would be used for the protection of the people against its enemies first. Sorry if I'm letting off steam here. Just applying some good old-fashioned common-sense here. Gotta go Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.com or http://www.computercrowsnestbooks.com THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER 'SFCrowsnest.com PageRanked by Google as the 2nd most popular Science Fiction site on the Internet' see: http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ 1st most popular SF PageRanked by Open Directory Project see: http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ *************************************************** From: Michael Beacom Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 11:06 pm Subject: Re: [probe_control] NSA Survelliance I find a lot of conspiracy theory is actually looking for the comfort of knowing that somewhere, someone is actually in control or can be in control of it all instead of considering that the world is a churning ball of chaos plunging onward in mass confusion. Either position basically will leave you sleepless at night, really. For a really good allegory to modern technology and privacy, check out the original Outer Limits episode entitled "Obit". That does bring something to mind though -- in the real world, what is World Securities legal standing, anyway? What if a probe walks into a private residence- would he be required to turn off the scanner? Do they have some special dispensation from the US government that allows them to take a recording device into private homes and businesses at will, or is the Probe division of World Securities constantly breaking the law and simply keeping quiet about it? And what about when our guys go international -- even if the Department of Home Security or whatever has licensed them to carry spy devices wherever they want on US soil, what about the pilot episode where they go to Austria? Cameron seemed concerned about the law when Lockwood wanted to nail Van Neistadt in the hotel. "All we need is a Probe charged with felonious assault". That always seemed odd to me when it seemed that all they need to do was show that the guy was in possession of stolen property to get it turned around....unless they did not want the police to discover other things that Lockwood was doing? Michael B. Geoff Willmetts wrote: > Hello everyone & Don-2 > > Interesting piece about the NSA surveillance but not entirely sure it’s > accurate. When you look at the statistics of 50,000 NSA agents looking over > the entire population of the USA, I think my previous argument holds up. > Each agent would be looking over a minimum of a couple million people. What > does he do for lunch?? All the info recorded in the world ain't going to > mean much unless it was analysed. What they can & do do is entirely > subjective. Even using keywords to analyse e-mail can give false > information. Look what happens if you use the wrong combination of words in > a search engine if you need a demonstration. When I was investigating > 'animation' when I first started using the Net regularly, I ended up with > stacks of porn sites!!! What has that got to do with film animation??!! AIs > would still have similar problems. No matter how modern or advanced the > computer, it’s still dependent on software. > > The transient nature of the USA has people moving on all the time, so it is > probably a lot easier to cause some people to disappear. Saying that, if you > do have roots put down & lots of friends, it's a lot harder to remove > someone without arousing some suspicion. > > Who is this chap Rayelan anyway?? He's blending in some facts with > speculation here in my opinion. Considering the problems you people > currently have with polygraph/lie detectors effectiveness, I'd have to say > the same thing would apply to any machine looking at brainwaves a thousand > times more. Brainwave voltage is extremely low & you need to have sensors > stuck to your head to pick them up. This is old stuff. Whether you can look > at a wavy line & tell something about what someone is thinking let alone an > exact thought is speculative. Hands up all those of you who are consciously > 'thinking', that is verbalising inside your head ALL the time?? Not many if > any & I include myself on that list. I don't think machines let alone humans > are going to be that clever just yet. > As to mind control. Well, unless the vast majority of you voting > Republican to get Bush elected President then no. Come to think of it, he > did get in, didn't he?!! :-) > Seriously though, if such devices were in use, how & why would that writer > get such info & print it without the NSA on his back & make him disappear. > If such machinery was in operation, why send US troops to wait around Iraq > when all you'd need is to apply the same technique to the people there & > have them hand Saddam over?? Such technology would be used for the > protection of the people against its enemies first. > > Sorry if I'm letting off steam here. Just applying some good old-fashioned > common-sense here. > Gotta go > Geoff > > ********* GF Willmetts **************************** > Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.com or > http://www.computercrowsnestbooks.com > THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE > THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER > > 'SFCrowsnest.com PageRanked by Google as the 2nd most popular Science > Fiction site on the Internet' > see: http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ > 1st most popular SF PageRanked by Open Directory Project > see: http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ > *************************************************** From: "KENNETH CARROLL" Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 12:03 am Subject: Re: [probe_control] NSA Survelliance Now we know why SEARCH was REALLY only on for a year! ;o) Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Beacom" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [probe_control] NSA Survelliance > I find a lot of conspiracy theory is actually looking for the comfort of knowing that > somewhere, someone is actually in control or can be in control of it all instead of > considering that the world is a churning ball of chaos plunging onward in mass > confusion. > > Either position basically will leave you sleepless at night, really. > > For a really good allegory to modern technology and privacy, check out the original > Outer Limits episode entitled "Obit". > > That does bring something to mind though -- in the real world, what is World Securities > legal standing, anyway? What if a probe walks into a private residence- would he be > required to turn off the scanner? Do they have some special dispensation from the US > government that allows them to take a recording device into private homes and > businesses at will, or is the Probe division of World Securities constantly breaking > the law and simply keeping quiet about it? And what about when our guys go > international -- even if the Department of Home Security or whatever has licensed them > to carry spy devices wherever they want on US soil, what about the pilot episode where > they go to Austria? > > Cameron seemed concerned about the law when Lockwood wanted to nail Van Neistadt in the > hotel. "All we need is a Probe charged with felonious assault". That always seemed odd > to me when it seemed that all they need to do was show that the guy was in possession > of stolen property to get it turned around....unless they did not want the police to > discover other things that Lockwood was doing? > > Michael B. > > Geoff Willmetts wrote: > > > Hello everyone & Don-2 > > > > Interesting piece about the NSA surveillance but not entirely sure it's > > accurate. When you look at the statistics of 50,000 NSA agents looking over > > the entire population of the USA, I think my previous argument holds up. > > Each agent would be looking over a minimum of a couple million people. What > > does he do for lunch?? All the info recorded in the world ain't going to > > mean much unless it was analysed. What they can & do do is entirely > > subjective. Even using keywords to analyse e-mail can give false > > information. Look what happens if you use the wrong combination of words in > > a search engine if you need a demonstration. When I was investigating > > 'animation' when I first started using the Net regularly, I ended up with > > stacks of porn sites!!! What has that got to do with film animation??!! AIs > > would still have similar problems. No matter how modern or advanced the > > computer, it's still dependent on software. > > > > The transient nature of the USA has people moving on all the time, so it is > > probably a lot easier to cause some people to disappear. Saying that, if you > > do have roots put down & lots of friends, it's a lot harder to remove > > someone without arousing some suspicion. > > > > Who is this chap Rayelan anyway?? He's blending in some facts with > > speculation here in my opinion. Considering the problems you people > > currently have with polygraph/lie detectors effectiveness, I'd have to say > > the same thing would apply to any machine looking at brainwaves a thousand > > times more. Brainwave voltage is extremely low & you need to have sensors > > stuck to your head to pick them up. This is old stuff. Whether you can look > > at a wavy line & tell something about what someone is thinking let alone an > > exact thought is speculative. Hands up all those of you who are consciously > > 'thinking', that is verbalising inside your head ALL the time?? Not many if > > any & I include myself on that list. I don't think machines let alone humans > > are going to be that clever just yet. > > As to mind control. Well, unless the vast majority of you voting > > Republican to get Bush elected President then no. Come to think of it, he > > did get in, didn't he?!! :-) > > Seriously though, if such devices were in use, how & why would that writer > > get such info & print it without the NSA on his back & make him disappear. > > If such machinery was in operation, why send US troops to wait around Iraq > > when all you'd need is to apply the same technique to the people there & > > have them hand Saddam over?? Such technology would be used for the > > protection of the people against its enemies first. > > > > Sorry if I'm letting off steam here. Just applying some good old-fashioned > > common-sense here. > > Gotta go > > Geoff > > > > ********* GF Willmetts **************************** > > Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.com or > > http://www.computercrowsnestbooks.com > > THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE > > THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER > > > > 'SFCrowsnest.com PageRanked by Google as the 2nd most popular Science > > Fiction site on the Internet' > > see: http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ > > 1st most popular SF PageRanked by Open Directory Project > > see: http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ > > *************************************************** From: "dghprobe3 " Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:33 am Subject: Re: NSA Survelliance --- In probe_control, "KENNETH CARROLL" wrote: > Now we know why SEARCH was REALLY only on for a year! ;o) Hi Ken: Actually I think you hit on something there. As I recall, wasn't Leslie Stevens' father an Admiral in the Navy involved with intelligence work? --Don H. From: "dghprobe3 " Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:58 am Subject: Re: NSA Survelliance --- In probe_control@y..., "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > ...Who is this chap Rayelan anyway?? He's blending in some facts > with speculation here in my opinion... Hi Geoff: Rayelan Allan is not a chap, but a lady. Also, she did not write that piece, she quoted a lawsuit verbatim. She made this clear near the beginning of the piece. Like you, I reserve judgement on some of the more fantastic revelations in the lawsuit. On the other hand, I doubt anyone would be able to knock on the door of the NSA and get anyone to admit all of their capabilities. You can pose questions about that lawsuit to Rayelan directly at: rayelan@m... I hope your email gets through because her website has been severely hacked with denial of service attacks the past two months. More later, Don H. From: "progrocktv " Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:15 am Subject: Intro and episodes on VHS??? Hi Gang, My name is Phil and I've been a classic TV collector for YEARS. A friend of mine let me borrow a copy of the pilot film and found out there was a series. Now the million dollar question is does anyone have any episodes available on VHS? If so how is the quality? Thanks! Phil From: "crayresearch2001 " Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:18 pm Subject: Re: NSA Survelliance This story looks to me like a good bit of propaganda. Was there ever a case filed in court? How many people who read this are going to go to Washington to check out the archives from 1992? There are many key- words and a little truth mixed with alot of fiction. The Military has computer equipment that is a couple of generations ahead, but 15 years? I doubt it. Yes they can now see what you see on your computer monitor from a distance, but to identify your unique biological emf "fingerprint" as it were, once again, doubt it. NSA hit squads? Like the L.A.P.D. elite units? Maybe. But thats everywhere in evey country, and not always linked to terrorism. I think that the only mind control here, is anyone who beleives this hogwash (read: brainwash). Don-2 From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:35 am Subject: ZDNet on surveillance http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,s2079879,00.html From an article dated 30 June 2000: ...Telecommunications security expert in Germany, Manfred Fink, tells ZDNet exactly what individuals and companies have to fear from covert surveillance... ...Is it true that the radiation generated by monitors can be picked up and reproduced from as far as a hundred metres away? Fink: Yes, whether it is a Word document with twelve point text font, an Excel spreadsheet or a CAD-image, you can pick it up via the monitor's radiation. Equipment to do this is available for DM250,000 (£8,000)... (more at the link above) From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 3:05 am Subject: Correct link to more complete NSA suit www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/akwei.html I found a more complete version of the NSA lawsuit which includes the name of the Plaintiff and the actual case number. This version of the suit includes at the bottom of the page a number of reference resources and footnotes. Again, I reserve judgement on all of this. On the other hand, if it's all hogwash, then it's beyond the possibility of doing any harm. I found a more complete version of the NSA lawsuit which includes the name of the Plaintiff and the actual case number. This version of the suit includes at the bottom of the page a number of reference resources and footnotes. Again, I reserve judgement on all of this. On the other hand, if it's all hogwash, then it's beyond the possibility of doing any harm. www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/akwei.html John St. Clair Akwei vs. NSA, Ft. Meade, MD, USA Civil Action 92-0449 - more at link John St. Clair Akwei vs. NSA, Ft. Meade, MD, USA Civil Action 92-0449 - more at link From: dghprobe3@a... Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 4:14 am Subject: SEARCH on Armed Forces Network http://groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/files/SEARCH%20Articles%20by%20Don %20Harden/AFN-FEN.htm (Since we keep running into folks who have SEARCH dubs, I thought it would help to do an article that would help everyone identify the notorious Armed Forces dubs which are floating around out there. The article below also includes some video grabs. If the link above doesn't work, go to our "Files" section, click on the folder "SEARCH articles by Don Harden," then click on "AFN-FEN.htm.") When the SEARCH mailing list began, we were only able to find nine episodes on video and these were dubs from the Armed Forces Network, probably from the late 1970's. While somewhat dark and fuzzy, we were glad to have these tapes at the time. The only other SEARCH-related items we had were either scripts, audio tapes and/or filmclips. (Some of us already had dubs of the SEARCH pilot movie which ran in general U.S. syndication.) Thankfully we have run across Trevor's dubs which are far away better in picture and sound quality. Since we keep running into new people with episode dubs, I thought it would be a good idea to post some video captures from some of the AFN-FEN episodes, especially focusing on the bug logos which were chroma-keyed into a scene somewhere in most episodes... (more in our Files section...) From: "franklinberke " Date: Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:16 pm Subject: Re: homages Hi Geoff Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I was under the weather last week. You mentioned in a previous message that... > "We're still watching Season One of 'Alias' in the UK. It's not > helped much by them not giving the episode title with the > episodes. Can you be specific to which episode it is, Franklin?? > > There must be an episode guide on the Net. There is, and that is where I was able to refresh my memory. The link for "Season 1" episodes that I have is as follows: http://www.alias-online.net/season1/episodeguide.html The particular episode I referred to can be found at ... http://www.alias-online.net/season1/rundowns/rundown119.html I hope the links are helpful. Franklin From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Thu Jan 30, 2003 8:09 am Subject: conspiracy, survelliance & lawsuits Hello everyone Hello Michael B Re: Conspiracy Theory. You mean there's organisation in this chaotic world?? :-) Even if there are various people pulling the strings in the world, it doesn't mean that it's all going to plan for them. As to your question. Having re-viewed the episodes to see if my memory holds true of them, the answers are relatively simple. The TV scanner is a covert device. You're not supposed to spot them wearing the gadget. In those days, it wasn't really considered illegal to do that. It isn't as though the TV scanner was left behind as a bugging device...well, only a couple times. It was more a means for Control to see what was going on, inform & advise. I doubt if any recordings would ever be passed on to their clients no matter how powerful. Mind you, we never saw any court cases to disprove that. There was an indication that they were done though. Episodes like 'The Adonis File' showed that Cameron wasn't happy about Lockwood breaking & entering a flat. I expect the same was true about Bianco's antics as well. Considering that Cameron was a trained interrogator & everything he said was being recorded, whatever he said could be interpreted as him covering his own back. [Hmmm...that comment is going to have everyone looking at what he says again, isn’t it??] As to the pilot episode. Lockwood was instructed to go after all the diamonds rather than chase only one. To stop & explain things to another police force would have delayed him taking the flight. Cameron said the local police would be notified but without Lockwood's involvement. Probes aren't above the law. Lockwood thumping someone in public would have gotten himself arrested even for a short time. As to NSA surveillance. That being the case, 'Mission: Impossible' wouldn't have lasted a season neither. Then again, that was a double denial situation. 'If we were really doing such black bag operations, would be let a TV show go on about them??' Apart from the battery source, it is no longer impossible for Probe agents to exist. Inspect all people for carrying oddly decorated lenses, especially people who claim to have been in Wyatt Earp! :-) Hello Don H Re: Rayelan Allan. Half the time with American names, it's hard to tell which sex they belong to. On the Net, there's always a tendency for some to hide behind alter-egos as well. To quote a lawsuit verbatim without checking into anything behind it – not just the court case - doesn't really show much in the way of investigative journalism. More a case of gossiping. Hello Don-2 Looks like we're in agreement. Whenever anyone gives precise figures like computers 15 years ahead of time, it's always questionable. Back in the 70s, could any of you imagine you'd be reading & communicating like this?? All right, some of you put your hands down. Would you have believed you would be doing it on your home computer?? How can anyone figure where we’d be in 15 years from now?? A breakthrough in protein technology would shatter any calculations. Reading computer monitors isn't new. It's done in exactly the same way as those people using that telecommunication fiddle to borrow Net time if they're within the vicinity of a company network. As to keeping such surveillance from not picking up your monitor screens, you'd need something like TV companies use to keep down interference. In the UK, there's a metal grid cage around the set. Hello Don H I don't think any of use are denying there might be a lawsuit. It's the contents that have to regarded as questionable. Going through the document, I can understand why the NSA were so dismissive. Saying what they have & proving it are two different things. I'm surprised there was no mention of the CIA & Project Stargate - nothing to do with going through hoops to distance planets but the name of their remote-reviewing project long before the film/TV series started. Although only about alledgedly 40-50% reliable on a good day, it doesn’t need much in the way of technology. Neural surgery can barely re-join damaged nerves at present let alone hook something mechanical into it. If the latter were possible, people like Christopher Reeves with damaged spinal cords would be after it in a shot. There would also be a lot of cyborgs running ‘slowly’ around. Hello Franklin Thanks for the info. From the looks of things we should be seeing that episode in the UK next week based on the opening lines. Although I'll reserve judgement until I see the episode, scanning the synopsis does bring several reservations. If it had been a true link, then the Snowman would have been said to have been operating from the early 70s & to hell with the fact he'd be an old man by now. Our Iceman didn't use ice picks for murder come to that either. As much as I enjoy watching 'Alias', you'd have thought that other security services would have taken out SD-6 by now let alone any of their field agents. With all the air miles she travels & most often under her real name, somebody would have been watching by now. Gotta go Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.com or http://www.computercrowsnestbooks.com THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER 'SFCrowsnest.com PageRanked by Google as the 2nd most popular Science Fiction site on the Internet' see: http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ 1st most popular SF PageRanked by Open Directory Project see: http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ ***************************************************