3001 From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 1:29am Subject: RE: Wyatt Earp rides again martadawes No, I've never seen it either, and it will be interesting to watch. Marta -----Original Message----- From: dmanmetz@... [mailto:dmanmetz@...] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:26 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: [probe_control] Wyatt Earp rides again Just a heads up. TV Land will start showing "The Life and Legend of Wyatt Earp" on Saturday, 5 FEB at 3PM EST. To us Hugh O'Brian will always be Hugh Lockwood, to the rest of the world, he is Wyatt Earp. I don't know about any of you, but I have never seen this series. Well, just wanted let everyone know. Maybe if enough viewers show up, "Search" won't be far behind? Chris 3002 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 5:33am Subject: Re: Wyatt Earp rides again dghprobe3 Hi Chris: Thanks for the heads up. I, too, have never seen the Wyatt Earp series other than a dim memory from years back. I've often wondered if there were any Search connections. If anyone is able to catch most, if not all, of the episodes, please take note of any Search guest stars, production crew, writers, directors, etc. My guess is that they will run the show in production order, but you never know with TV Land. Also observe how much of O'Brian's characterization of Wyatt Earp carried over into his portrayal of Lockwood. As I recall, Wyatt Earp didn't take crap from anybody either. :-) --Don ------------------------- --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, dmanmetz@a... wrote: > Just a heads up. TV Land will start showing "The Life and Legend > of Wyatt Earp" on Saturday, 5 FEB at 3PM EST. 3003 From: "bfiler2002000" Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 7:02am Subject: Re:Wyatt Earp Rides Again bfiler2002000 I have never seen Wyatt Earp either, I don't think anyone who was not there in the '50's (I was born in 1961 and I imagine most of you were born around the same time...), has. I wonder what the big problem was keeping it off the air? Anyway, I get TV Land and I will start taping tbe episodes to share with other probe-control members who maybe can't get it. There's just one catch...I only have VHS, so anyone who contacts me needs to be able to watch VHS tapes on their machines. 3004 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 11:17pm Subject: RE: Re:Wyatt Earp Rides Again gfwillmetts Hello everyone The only time I saw Hugh O'Brian play Earp was in that Lee Horsley western back in the 90s who title escapes me for the moment. The episode looked like a reunion for the early western heroes at the time. Geoff 3005 From: Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 11:26pm Subject: Marshall Wyatt Earp in THE GAMBLER RETURNS probecontrol Geoff wrote: >... The only time I saw Hugh O'Brian play Earp was in that Lee Horsley western back in the 90s who title escapes me for the moment. The episode looked like a reunion for the early western heroes at the time. =================== Not sure that it was Lee Horsley, Geoff. I can't find a project that they ever worked on together on imdb. Hmmmmmm. How about THE GAMBLER RETURNS: THE LUCK OF THE DRAW...? Here's the imdb listing: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101933/ O'Brian was selling lithograph prints that might have been taken during this Made-for-TV movie when I met him in Chicago. All the actors were gathered around--dressed in character, inside a barroom or somesuch. VERY cool. Jim 3006 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Tue Feb 1, 2005 11:37pm Subject: RE: Marshall Wyatt Earp in Paradise gfwillmetts Hello Jim Just looked it up on Google. The Horsley series was called 'Paradise'. check out: http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeGuideSummary/showid-1726/Paradise/ season 2 episode 23. 23. A Gather Of Guns gs: Ray Walston () Charles Frank () Charles Napier () Jack Elam () Hugh O'Brian (Wyatt Earp) Gene Barry (Bat Masterson) John Schneider (Pat Garrett) b: 10-Sep-1989 Also nosed around the links with this & it looks like they have a rather complete guide to O'Brian's career. 1989. Sheesh! So long ago. Gotta go Geoff 3007 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 3:47am Subject: O'Brian and Horsley probecontrol Sorry, Geoff-- Hurriedly, I responded to your letter, and did a cross-reference on imdb--searching for any joint projects between HUGH O'BRIAN and LEE HORSLEY. It came up as '0' matches. But now that I look closer, I can see where O'Brian DID work with Horsely--as you said. In fact, O'Brian did more than ONE episode of PARADISE. In fact, TV TOME says that he did THREE. "A Gathering of Guns: Parts ONE and TWO" and another episode called "Home Again". :) See http://www.epguides.com/GunsofParadise/ In fact, upon further inspection... it looks like O'Brian and Horsely liked working together. O'Brian did an episode of the Horsley series that *I* remember called MATT HOUSTON. I guess that for a link to exist between individuals on imdb, they have to be linked on the same page. And the 'guest cast' listings for PARADISE don't link 'directly' to Lee Horsley--they're on a page by themself. That's the best that *I* can figure as to why the site didn't link them together. ;) ANYWAY-- I automatically thought you were talking about the GAMBLER TV movie, since O'Brian plays Earp in it, too--and there're a whole gaggle of other Western Greats in that, as well. :) Like you say... so long go. ;) Sorry to have doubted you. :) Jim ================================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Willmetts" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: RE: [probe_control] Marshall Wyatt Earp in Paradise > > Hello Jim > > Just looked it up on Google. The Horsley series was called 'Paradise'. > > check out: > http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeGuideSummary/showid-1726/Paradise/ > > season 2 episode 23. > 23. A Gather Of Guns > gs: Ray Walston () Charles Frank () Charles Napier () Jack Elam () Hugh > O'Brian (Wyatt Earp) Gene Barry (Bat Masterson) John Schneider (Pat Garrett) > > > b: 10-Sep-1989 > > Also nosed around the links with this & it looks like they have a rather > complete guide to O'Brian's career. > > 1989. Sheesh! So long ago. > > Gotta go > Geoff 3008 From: Fireman2004@... Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 2:16am Subject: SEARCH on DVD? fireman20052... Hey all, Last year, during the X Mas holidays did someone mention about some episodes of "SEARCH" that are copied on DVD? If so? then let me know asap! Thanks Ricky 3009 From: "daredevil7a" Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 9:23pm Subject: vhs to digital format? daredevil7a Hey cool website! I can remember my parents letting me stay up late (sometimes!) to watch Search. My dad was a big fan so I had an ally! Anyway any chance somone can dupe the pilot vhs to digital? I know the quality would not be too good but I would like see it. Everyone could have different parts of it on different wesites if space is a problem(After its in a digital format you can compress it further with Divx). Just a thought. As for the jpg's I had some success using the Digital ROC filter in Photoshop to eliminate the red cast. The only problem is that it makes the key light a little too "hot" ie. a little too much contrast. I also tried going into color balance and adding more blue in the shadow,midtone and highlights which also worked.(Blue is usually the first to fade). There's my two cents, Thanks 3010 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 11:19pm Subject: RE: O'Brian and Horsley gfwillmetts Hello Jim No sweat. With what I do at SFC, I'm supposed to be expert in my subject let alone looking anything up. I remember seeing Matt Houston although there's no guarantee backwhen that we had all the episodes over here cos I'd remember if O'Brian was in it. Speaking of other westerns. Was O'Brian's character ever given a name in 'The Shootest'?? Geoff 3011 From: Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 11:30pm Subject: O'Brian in THE SHOOTIST probecontrol Geoff wrote: >... Speaking of other westerns. Was O'Brian's character ever given a name in 'The Shootest'?? ========================= imdb lists him as: "Jack Pulford (faro dealer at Metropole Saloon)" Jim 3012 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 11:42pm Subject: RE: O'Brian in THE SHOOTIST gfwillmetts Hello Jim Thanks. I'm always puzzled why faro lost its popularity but as it was also a popular game form flim-flam. Geoff 3013 From: "Jeffrey Rush" Date: Wed Feb 2, 2005 11:38pm Subject: Re: O'Brian and Horsley drjeffreyp No, but he was in John Wayne's last movie, "the shootist." He played one of the gunmen (a gambler) who tried to kill John Bernard Books. They hit one of us, they hit us all - Horatio Caine, CSI Miami More is lost through indecision than no decision - Carmela Soprano Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway - John Wayne I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them - John Bernard Books, The Shootist Think Highly, Feel Deeply, Speak Plainly, Felix Ibanex, MD Patriotism is as much a virtue as justice, and is as necessary for the support of societies as natural affection is for the support of families. Dr. Benjamin Rush (no relation) Jeffrey P. Rush 205/368-6893 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Willmetts" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [probe_control] O'Brian and Horsley > > Hello Jim > > No sweat. With what I do at SFC, I'm supposed to be expert in my subject > let > alone looking anything up. > > I remember seeing Matt Houston although there's no guarantee backwhen that > we had all the episodes over here cos I'd remember if O'Brian was in it. > > Speaking of other westerns. Was O'Brian's character ever given a name in > 'The Shootest'?? > > Geoff 3014 From: dmanmetz@... Date: Thu Feb 3, 2005 2:37pm Subject: Re: O'Brian and Horsley dmanmetz@... I remember watching that movie (The Shootiest) as a kid when it came on Cable, mainly because Hugh "Lockwood" O'Brian was in it. I was so disappointed at the end when O'Brian's character met with a fatal end with a head shot by the "Duke". I almost felt like Lockwood had been killed :( Kids will be kids :) Chris 3015 From: "David Paleg" Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 1:21pm Subject: Search guest star John Vernon dead dpaleg He was best known as Dean Wormer in Animal House and the mayor in Dirty Harry, but he also played Paul Holloway in Search episode "Goddess of Destruction" in February 1973. Feb 3, 7:48 PM (ET) By LYNN ELBER LOS ANGELES (AP) - John Vernon, a stage-trained character actor who played cunning villains in film and TV and made his comedy mark as Dean Wormer in "National Lampoon's Animal House," has died. He was 72. Vernon died at home in his sleep Tuesday following complications from Jan. 16 heart surgery, his daughter, Kate Vernon, said Thursday. The Canadian-born actor found satisfaction in his varied career, his daughter said. "He loved the comedy that he was able to do, but his training was in drama and he really enjoyed the dramatic roles," she said. Movie fans may know him best for his role in "Animal House" as Dean Wormer, who is bent on expelling the hard-partying Delta fraternity house. The movie, starring John Belushi and Tim Matheson, is one of the most popular comedies ever made. Born in 1932 in Montreal, Vernon studied at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art in London. He did repertory work in England and was heard off-screen as the voice of Big Brother in the 1956 film "1984." He returned to Canada to appear on stage and on television, including the starring role in the 1960s drama "Wojeck," in which he played a coroner. "John was superb. He really knew how to use the camera, and vocally he was just born to have a mike nearby," Ted Follows, his co-star in "Wojeck," told The Canadian Press. After appearing on Broadway in "Royal Hunt of the Sun" he became a steady player in U.S. films, making his debut in director John Boorman's "Point Blank" (1967) as a turncoat tossed to his death by Lee Marvin. Vernon went on to work with other celebrated filmmakers including Alfred Hitchcock ("Topaz," 1969); Don Siegel ("Dirty Harry," 1971), and Clint Eastwood ("The Outlaw Josey Wales," 1976). His deep, menacing voice was custom-made for the many bad guys he played. He reprised his role in "National Lampoon's Animal House" in the TV spinoff "Delta House" (1979). Other comedy roles followed, including the part of Mr. Big in the film "I'm Gonna Git You Sucka" in 1988. Vernon appeared in a DVD edition of "Animal House" as part of a satiric update on the characters. Wormer was portrayed as a curmudgeonly old man in a wheelchair. 3016 From: Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 2:36pm Subject: Versatile Vernon probecontrol Hadn't heard this, yet. Sad news. Vernon rocked in SO MANY roles. Thanks for the heads-up. More at: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006893/ in case anyone's interested. Jim Alexander ======================================= ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:21:52 -0000 >From: "David Paleg" >Subject: [probe_control] Search guest star John Vernon dead >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > > > > >He was best known as Dean Wormer in Animal House and the mayor in >Dirty Harry, but he also played Paul Holloway in Search episode >"Goddess of Destruction" in February 1973. > >Feb 3, 7:48 PM (ET) > >By LYNN ELBER > >LOS ANGELES (AP) - John Vernon, a stage-trained character actor who >played cunning villains in film and TV and made his comedy mark as >Dean Wormer in "National Lampoon's Animal House," has died. He was 72. > >Vernon died at home in his sleep Tuesday following complications from >Jan. 16 heart surgery, his daughter, Kate Vernon, said Thursday. > >The Canadian-born actor found satisfaction in his varied career, his >daughter said. > >"He loved the comedy that he was able to do, but his training was in >drama and he really enjoyed the dramatic roles," she said. > >Movie fans may know him best for his role in "Animal House" as Dean >Wormer, who is bent on expelling the hard-partying Delta fraternity >house. The movie, starring John Belushi and Tim Matheson, is one of >the most popular comedies ever made. > >Born in 1932 in Montreal, Vernon studied at the Royal Academy of >Dramatic Art in London. He did repertory work in England and was heard >off-screen as the voice of Big Brother in the 1956 film "1984." > >He returned to Canada to appear on stage and on television, including >the starring role in the 1960s drama "Wojeck," in which he played a >coroner. > >"John was superb. He really knew how to use the camera, and vocally he >was just born to have a mike nearby," Ted Follows, his co- star in >"Wojeck," told The Canadian Press. > >After appearing on Broadway in "Royal Hunt of the Sun" he became a >steady player in U.S. films, making his debut in director John >Boorman's "Point Blank" (1967) as a turncoat tossed to his death by >Lee Marvin. > >Vernon went on to work with other celebrated filmmakers including >Alfred Hitchcock ("Topaz," 1969); Don Siegel ("Dirty Harry," 1971), >and Clint Eastwood ("The Outlaw Josey Wales," 1976). > >His deep, menacing voice was custom-made for the many bad guys he played. > >He reprised his role in "National Lampoon's Animal House" in the TV >spinoff "Delta House" (1979). Other comedy roles followed, including >the part of Mr. Big in the film "I'm Gonna Git You Sucka" in 1988. > >Vernon appeared in a DVD edition of "Animal House" as part of a >satiric update on the characters. Wormer was portrayed as a >curmudgeonly old man in a wheelchair. 3017 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 11:31pm Subject: RE: Versatile Vernon gfwillmetts Re: John Vernon. I agree. Who can't forget him as the major in 'Dirty Harry' or in 'Fear Is The Key'. Geoff 3018 From: yorktowncmdr@... Date: Fri Feb 4, 2005 7:02pm Subject: Re: Versatile Vernon worldsecanalyst I first became cognizant of John Vernon's talent with "The Questor Tapes". He will be missed. David > I agree. Who can't forget him as the major in 'Dirty Harry' or in 'Fear Is > The Key'. > 3019 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 5:02am Subject: Wyatt Earp - Saturday and Sunday on TV Land dghprobe3 Hi: Turns out that "Wyatt Earp" will air on TV Land Saturdays and Sundays at 3pm EST. It will be two episodes back-to-back. The first episode evidently was the premiere because it related how Wyatt became Marshall. So far no Search connections, but O'Brian's speech patterns and mannerisms are similar to the way he played Lockwood, realizing this series was some 17 years or so prior to Search. Interesting also that this show was produced by Desilu. Maybe we should send letters to TV Land thanking them for running Wyatt Earp, and by the way, do they have any plans to also run the "Search" series Hugh O'Brian did during the 1970's? This could be a "foot in the door," so we might as well take advantage of it. :-) --Don --------------------------- --- In probe_control, dmanmetz@a... wrote: > ...TV Land will start showing "The Life and Legend of Wyatt > Earp" on Saturday, 5 FEB at 3PM EST. To us Hugh O'Brian will > always be Hugh Lockwood, to the rest of the world, he is Wyatt > Earp. I don't know about any of you, but I have never seen this > series. > Well, just wanted let everyone know. Maybe if enough viewers > show up, "Search" won't be far behind? > > Chris 3020 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 5:46am Subject: Celebrating Hugh's 80th Birthday June 23-25 dghprobe3 http://www.hoby.org/Support/Hughs80th.shtml From the HOBY site: Celebrating Hugh's 80th Birthday! SAVE THE DATE FOR AN EVENT TO REMEMBER! June 23-25, 2005 Los Angeles, CaliforniaJoin us as we celebrate a new milestone as Hugh O'Brian turns 80! It will be a great weekend of events, honoring a man whose life accomplishments have touched countless lives both as a star of stage, screen and television's, "Wyatt Earp," as well as his humanitarian efforts and founder of Hugh O'Brian Youth Leadership (HOBY). CLICK HERE FOR FULL SCHEDULE AND TICKET INFORMATION http://www.hoby.org/Support/Hughbdayschedule.shtml Highlights of the birthday weekend include: Get on your boots for a grand ole party! The main event for Hugh's Birthday includes a Western Style birthday bash. Experience Hugh O'Brian in one of his most meaningful performances ever! Don't miss this acclaimed multimedia musical dramatization. Through this blend of historical slides, music and drama, Hugh speaks the inspirational words of Albert Schweitzer himself and relives once again his life changing history that was the catalyst to starting Hugh O'Brian Youth Leadership. Special cocktail party at the private home of Hugh O'Brian and Virginia Barber in Beverly Hills, CA. Tours including the Reagan Library, The Getty Museum, Universal Studios and much more! PLUS - SPECIAL PRICES FOR HOBY HORIZONS MEMBERS AND HOBY VOLUNTEERS More information to come - check back regularly for more details. If you'd like to make a birthday gift donation in honor of Hugh's 80th: https://reg.hoby.org/donation/onlinegiving.shtml For more information, contact Robin Cooper at development@.... 3021 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 6:06am Subject: Wyatt Earp on TV Land only during Feb. & March dghprobe3 From TV Land's Message Boards: ("Wyatt Earp" episodes are only scheduled to air between Feb. 5th to March 20th. A listing of episode numbers is given below. Apparently they will skip through the series in a "best of" compilation of 24 shows, ending with the Gunfight at the OK Corral.) "The Life and Legend of Wyatt Earp" joins TV Land Goes West airing Saturdays and Sundays (from February 5th through March 20th) at 3 and 3:30 p.m. Episodes scheduled to air are: February 5th #1 - Wyatt Earp Becomes a Marshall #5 - Wyatt Earp Comes to Wichita February 6th #35 - Dodge Gets a New Marshall $66 - Wyatt Meets Doc Holliday February 12th #71 - Time for All Good Men #90 - Sweet Revenge February 13th #94 - Wyatt Earp Rides Shotgun #108 - One February 19th #109 - Two #110 - Three February 20th #111 - Four #114 - The Bounty Killer February 26th #116 - The Mysterious Cowhand #120 - King of the Frontier February 27th #126 - Little Brother #151 - Tombstone March 5th #162 - Wells Fargo Calling Marshall Earp $166 - A Murderer's Return March 6th #177 - China Mary #189 - Wyatt's Bitterest Enemy March 19th #214 - Old Slanders Never Die #218 - Requiem for Old Man Clinton March 20th #221 - Just Before the Battle #222 - Gunfight at the O.K. Corral TVLTheLink Director, Community Operations Nick-at-Nite TV Land Online http://www.tvland.com/boards/viewthread.jhtml? bID=2037&tID=74666&mID=349139&offset=0&_DARGS=/boards/viewboard.jhtml. 16_A&_DAV=2 3022 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 0:09am Subject: Wyatt Earp episodes dghprobe3 On the TV Land Wyatt Earp episodes, I have three episodes which have been shown so far. I missed the first 12 minutes of the first Sunday episode. Did anyone else on the list get that one? I figure with a number of us taping episodes, we can cover for each other as much as possible. Only 24 eps will be shown during Feb. & March. Might be best to wait until after March 20, after all 24 episodes have been shown, then compare lists and do any backtracking at that time. Keep in mind also that while these episodes have been digitally remastered, TV Land consistently speeds up the shows and edits them for time. And there are collectors out there who have all the episodes unedited from earlier syndication, however these would be from generally worn 16mm films, and multigenerational to a degree. February 5th #1 - Wyatt Earp Becomes a Marshall #5 - Wyatt Earp Comes to Wichita February 6th #35 - Dodge Gets a New Marshall #66 - Wyatt Meets Doc Holliday 3023 From: "Aloma Pedersen" Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 0:17am Subject: RE: Wyatt Earp episodes bfiler2002000 Yes, I got that one. I taped all the episodes this week and will continue to do so until the run ends, and I will be happy to help out any members who need copies, but I'm not sure this show is something I'd care to keep long term. Maybe it's one of those things where it helps to have been there in the' 50's for the original run, maybe it just shows how thoroughly corrupt I've become over the years, but it turned out to be a little hokey for my taste. I'd be interested to know what the other members who get TV Land and saw and/or taped it this weekend thought of it though... -----Original Message----- From: dghprobe3 [mailto:dghprobe3@...] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 4:10 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: [probe_control] Wyatt Earp episodes On the TV Land Wyatt Earp episodes, I have three episodes which have been shown so far. I missed the first 12 minutes of the first Sunday episode. Did anyone else on the list get that one? I figure with a number of us taping episodes, we can cover for each other as much as possible. Only 24 eps will be shown during Feb. & March. Might be best to wait until after March 20, after all 24 episodes have been shown, then compare lists and do any backtracking at that time. Keep in mind also that while these episodes have been digitally remastered, TV Land consistently speeds up the shows and edits them for time. And there are collectors out there who have all the episodes unedited from earlier syndication, however these would be from generally worn 16mm films, and multigenerational to a degree. February 5th #1 - Wyatt Earp Becomes a Marshall #5 - Wyatt Earp Comes to Wichita February 6th #35 - Dodge Gets a New Marshall #66 - Wyatt Meets Doc Holliday 3024 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 1:12am Subject: Re: Wyatt Earp episodes dghprobe3 Hi: Thanks for your reply, and thanks for keeping up with the Earp episodes. As I mentioned, after March 20th, we can compare lists and match up missing episodes then. I agree, the show is trapped in the rigid 30-minute western format of the 1950's. It was a different style of presentation, and audiences back then were more accustomed to shows of that nature. Also keep in mind there were 40 other westerns in production at the same time in those days. It was difficult for a new western to stand apart from the crowd, which is why some producers did a twist on the usual formula and came up with shows like Maverick. While watching the Earp episodes this weekend, I was struck by how dry, humorless, and simplistic the shows are. Just a straightforward lawman going after bad guys, sort of a Dragnet approach to westerns one could say. Plus the way TV Land cuts up the shows, well, we could probably judge the show better if it were uncut. Earp is of interest to folks on this list mainly because it's the only other series Hugh O'Brian ever did. And we've only really seen him in 8 Search episodes (plus the Probe pilot), besides his roles in "The Shootist," etc. --Don --- In probe_control, "Aloma Pedersen" wrote: > Yes, I got that one. I taped all the episodes this week and will > continue to do so until the run ends, and I will be happy to help out any members who need copies, but I'm not sure this show is something I'd > care to keep long term. Maybe it's one of those things where it helps to > have been there in the' 50's for the original run, maybe it just shows how > thoroughly corrupt I've become over the years, but it turned out to be a > little hokey for my taste... 3025 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 1:21am Subject: OT - Myth of the 100 Year CD-R dghprobe3 http://bfarber.com/index.php?showtopic=5907 The Independent - UK 4-21-4 Are we putting too much faith in the ubiquitous "recordable CD", or CD-R? It is undeniably one of the most useful means of storage around, offering an inexpensive way to save digital photographs, music and files and costing less than 50 pence per disc. If you check the claims made by some manufacturers of popular CD-R brands, you will see that some make bold claims indeed. Typical boasts include: "100-years archival life", "guaranteed archival lifespan of more than 100 years" and "one million read cycles". One company even says data can be stored "swiftly and permanently", leaving you free to bequeath those backups of your letter to the electricity company to your great-great-grandchildren. But an investigation by a Dutch personal computer magazine, PC Active, has shown that some CD-Rs are unreadable in as little as two years, because the dyes in the CD's recording layer fade. These dyes replace the aluminium "pits" of a music CD or CD-Rom, and the laser uses that layer to distinguish 0s from 1s. When the CD is written, the writing laser "burns" the dye, which becomes dark, to represent a "1" while a "0" will be left blank so that if the dye fades, there's no difference; it's just a long string of nothing to the playback laser. So have you already lost those irreplaceable pictures you committed to the silver disc? PC Active suggests we should forget CD-Rs as a durable medium, after its own testing found some with unreadable data after just two years. "Though they looked fine from the outside, they turned out to be completely useless," wrote the technical editor Jeroen Horlings, who had tested 30 brands in 2001, left them in a dark cupboard for two years and then re-tested them in August 2003. Of the brands tested, 10 per cent showed ageing problems. And it wasn't just Horlings. After seeing the results, shocked readers contacted the magazine with their experiences. Recordable DVDs are not off the hook either. The "dye chemicals" in write-once DVDs are similar to CD-R, though recording density and disk construction differ. "We're in the process of testing DVDs and we're sure that the same problems will occur," said Horlings, who plans to publish his findings soon. Gordon Stevenson, the managing director of Vogon International - a company specialising in data recovery - is familiar with these shortcomings thanks to the experiences of his customers, one of whom commissioned Vogon to retrieve pictures of his second honeymoon from a failed six-month-old CD-R. "The dye layer was fading," Stevenson says, "but we were able to recover most of the disk. But these claims [of a 100-year archival life] are unhelpful and misleading. If you're spending 20p on something, you probably don't expect it to last 100 years," he says... (more at link at page top) 3026 From: "Aloma Pedersen" Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 2:03am Subject: RE: Re: Wyatt Earp episodes bfiler2002000 No, I do understand, for most of us, (myself included) this is our first chance to see it. I remember when Search was on, there was a lot of ballyhoo About it being Hugh O'Brian's return to television. And I don't want my comments to be misunderstood. I grew up watching Westerns like Bonanza and Gunsmoke and Maverick, every once in a while I still will watch one if I see it listed. Some of them I still enjoy today. They gave me a desire to learn about the real West. I guess simplistic is the word I'm looking for and I guess it does go back to your own childhood. My brother was born in 1940 and he watches this channel that has the really old-school Westerns like Randolph Scott and Johnny Mack Brown and the Republic two-reelers. The kind that he no doubt saw when he was a little kid. He still enjoys them, or claims to, though I myself can't see how he can. I find them too hokey for words. I guess Wyatt Earp is a throwback to or a continuation of that style of old-school Western. Plus I think it would probably be a case of the more you know about the real West and the historical Wyatt Earp, the less satisfying you are going to find the show. It's considerably whitewashed and with knowing a bit about the real guy and that he wasn't quite the paragon that O'Brian portrayed, well... (O'Brian's Earp might have been sort of how the real Earp might have wanted people to think of him...) I realize too that audiences at that time probably didn't want the more complex characters that we grew up with...they wanted the good guys to be all good and the bad guys to be all bad. Although, then again, at the same time there still was Gunsmoke and Maverick and Have Gun Will Travel and they all broke that mold... Couple of interesting points. The historical Wyatt lived till 1929 and was in contact with some of the very early Western actors such as Tom Mix and William S. Hart, no doubt suggested stories and mannerisms and things to them. Along with Buffalo Bill, he might have influenced the shaping of the Western genre as we know it. -----Original Message----- From: dghprobe3 [mailto:dghprobe3@...] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:13 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: [probe_control] Re: Wyatt Earp episodes Hi: Thanks for your reply, and thanks for keeping up with the Earp episodes. As I mentioned, after March 20th, we can compare lists and match up missing episodes then. I agree, the show is trapped in the rigid 30-minute western format of the 1950's. It was a different style of presentation, and audiences back then were more accustomed to shows of that nature. Also keep in mind there were 40 other westerns in production at the same time in those days. It was difficult for a new western to stand apart from the crowd, which is why some producers did a twist on the usual formula and came up with shows like Maverick. While watching the Earp episodes this weekend, I was struck by how dry, humorless, and simplistic the shows are. Just a straightforward lawman going after bad guys, sort of a Dragnet approach to westerns one could say. Plus the way TV Land cuts up the shows, well, we could probably judge the show better if it were uncut. Earp is of interest to folks on this list mainly because it's the only other series Hugh O'Brian ever did. And we've only really seen him in 8 Search episodes (plus the Probe pilot), besides his roles in "The Shootist," etc. --Don --- In probe_control, "Aloma Pedersen" wrote: > Yes, I got that one. I taped all the episodes this week and will > continue to do so until the run ends, and I will be happy to help out any members who need copies, but I'm not sure this show is something I'd > care to keep long term. Maybe it's one of those things where it helps to > have been there in the' 50's for the original run, maybe it just shows how > thoroughly corrupt I've become over the years, but it turned out to be a > little hokey for my taste... 3027 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 2:59am Subject: Re: Wyatt Earp episodes dghprobe3 Hi: And thanks for the additional comments. I was never that great a fan of the western genre, although I grew up with vague memories since so many shows like Bonanza and Gunsmoke were on the air over the years. My brother was a great fan of The Virginian before Search. Naturally when Search premiered he was an instant fan of the Doug McClure episodes. :-) Thanks also for the observation that Wyatt Earp extends from the old school Tom Mix B-western type films of yesteryear. I didn't quite catch that right off the bat, but it's true. My nieces and nephews react somewhat similarly to Search. They see it as something quaint, slow, and old-fashioned, like something out of the late 1960's. Poor graphics, no CGI, they say. However, a couple of nephews have found themselves liking the Tony Franciosa episodes, but they're not sure why. :-) --------------------------- --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Aloma Pedersen" wrote: > No, I do understand, for most of us, (myself included) this is our first > chance to see it. I remember when Search was on, there was a lot of ballyhoo > About it being Hugh O'Brian's return to television... 3028 From: "v_karney" Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 5:35am Subject: Episodes and/or Probe pilot v_karney All, I just joined this forum. Back during its original airing, I was glued to every episode, but never thought I could collect any episodes in the intervening years. Past postings indicate that others have episodes and/or the pilot on tape and sometimes share or sell them. The video aftermarket no longer appears to have the out-of-print Unicorn "Probe" pilot for retail sale. Please contact me if you would be willing to help me acquire a couple of episodes or the pilot. VK 3029 From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu Feb 10, 2005 0:05am Subject: New file uploaded to probe_control probe_control@yahoogroups.com Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the probe_control group. File : /TV-Radio Mirror, Dec. 1972.JPG Uploaded by : bfiler2002000 Description : Small item about Hugh O'Brian during filming of "The Bullet" You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/files/TV-Radio%20Mirror%2C%20Dec.%20\ 1972.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, bfiler2002000 3030 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:24pm Subject: Wyatt Earp guest stars in Search dghprobe3 "Wyatt Earp" guest stars in "Search" In looking over Des Griffin's webpage on "Wyatt Earp," he gives a partial listing of guest stars for most episodes. Here are some of the "Search" guest stars I was able to find. There may be more, they just weren't listed. ------------------- Jan Merlin (O'Toole in "Moment of Madness") Season 2, ep 23, "Vengeance Trail") #57 12Feb57 Whit Bissell (St. Clair in "Numbered for Death") Ssn 4, ep 20, "The Muleskinner" #132 20Jan59 Paul Picerni (Joe Kittering in "Let Us Prey") Ssn 4, ep 25, "Horse Race" #136 3Mar59 Jack Ging (Chas. Hall Sr. in "Countdown") Ssn 6, ep 3, "Johnny Behind the Deuce" #193 11Oct60 Ed Nelson (Parker in "Countdown") Ssn 6, ep 10, "The Too Perfect Crime" #199 6Dec60 (None of these listed episodes will be shown on TV Land during Feb. or March this year.) ------------------- Interesting to note that other "Earp" episodes featured recognizable people early in their careers, like Angie Dickinson, Mike Connors, James Coburn, John Carradine, Louise Fletcher, Ellen Corby, Robert Fuller, Ron Ely, Elisha Cook Jr., Morgan Woodward, Philip Pine, Anthony Caruso, Jacqueline Scott, Sean McClory, Charles McGraw, Del Monroe, Wesley Lau, etc. Interesting also to note that a couple of seasons yielded as many as 42 Earp episodes in that season. By comparison, Search had only 23 for it's single season. ------------------ More on Des Griffin's Classic TV Archive: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/2950/index.html 3031 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:37am Subject: Re: Wyatt Earp guest stars (correction) dghprobe3 Hi folks: I need to make a correction to my last post, the listing of Search guest stars who also appeared in Wyatt Earp: Paul Picerni (Joe Kittering in "Let Us Prey") Ssn 4, ep 25, "Horse Race" #136 3Mar59 Paul Picerni did appear in that Earp episode, but he did not play Kittering in "Let Us Prey," rather it was his brother Charles Picerni. Charles apparently never appeared in Wyatt Earp. To add a little confusion, there is also a Charles Picerni Jr. listed. What threw me was TV Tome's page on Charles Picerni. They have a picture there which looks nothing like the guy in "Let Us Prey," so I figured it must have been Paul instead. I kept checking and it turned out to be Charles. TV Tome's photo is apparently incorrect, unless there are two Charles Picernis. Can anyone identify the actor who is pictured on that page? He looks familiar, but I can't place the name. http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-139412 --Don 3032 From: "elvimark" Date: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:53am Subject: Re: Wyatt Earp guest stars in Search elvimark Hi Don! Just thought I'd make the requisite correction here--Des's last name is Martin, not Griffin. BTW, this is one of my favorite reference sites for obscure TV shows. Check out the Felony Squad page if you go there--yours truly wrote all the episode synopses (just couldn't resist mentioning that!). Best, Mark--- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "dghprobe3" wrote: > > "Wyatt Earp" guest stars in "Search" > > In looking over Des Griffin's webpage on "Wyatt Earp," he gives a > partial listing of guest stars for most episodes. Here are some of > the "Search" guest stars I was able to find. There may be more, they > just weren't listed. > ------------------- > > Jan Merlin (O'Toole in "Moment of Madness") > Season 2, ep 23, "Vengeance Trail") #57 12Feb57 > > Whit Bissell (St. Clair in "Numbered for Death") > Ssn 4, ep 20, "The Muleskinner" #132 20Jan59 > > Paul Picerni (Joe Kittering in "Let Us Prey") > Ssn 4, ep 25, "Horse Race" #136 3Mar59 > > Jack Ging (Chas. Hall Sr. in "Countdown") > Ssn 6, ep 3, "Johnny Behind the Deuce" > #193 11Oct60 > > Ed Nelson (Parker in "Countdown") > Ssn 6, ep 10, "The Too Perfect Crime" > #199 6Dec60 > > (None of these listed episodes will be shown on TV Land during Feb. > or March this year.) > > ------------------- > Interesting to note that other "Earp" episodes featured recognizable > people early in their careers, like Angie Dickinson, Mike Connors, > James Coburn, John Carradine, Louise Fletcher, Ellen Corby, Robert > Fuller, Ron Ely, Elisha Cook Jr., Morgan Woodward, Philip Pine, > Anthony Caruso, Jacqueline Scott, Sean McClory, Charles McGraw, Del > Monroe, Wesley Lau, etc. > > Interesting also to note that a couple of seasons yielded as many as > 42 Earp episodes in that season. By comparison, Search had only 23 > for it's single season. > > ------------------ > More on Des Griffin's Classic TV Archive: > http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/2950/index.html 3033 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:44am Subject: Re: Wyatt Earp guest stars in Search dghprobe3 Hi Mark: Ah yes, Des Martin instead of Griffin. Thanks for catching that. BTW, Des also has a page devoted to Search, to which our own Trevor has contributed. But one of his sources has Russ Mayberry also directing "24 Carat Hit." That episode was directed by Barry Shear, which Trevor mentioned and is correct. :-) --Don http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/2950/Spy/Search.htm ------------------------ --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "elvimark" wrote: > > Hi Don! Just thought I'd make the requisite correction here--Des's > last name is Martin, not Griffin. > > BTW, this is one of my favorite reference sites for obscure TV > shows. > Check out the Felony Squad page if you go there--yours truly wrote > all the episode synopses (just couldn't resist mentioning that!). > > Best, Mark > > ------------------ > > More on Des Martin's Classic TV Archive: > > http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/2950/index.html 3034 From: "Morningstar" Date: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:52pm Subject: Re: SEARCH Cast List on imdb.com am2star Great work. Thanks for the exceptional effort. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Marta Dawes" wrote: > Actually, I'm going to take some of the credit for this list. I spent a > weekend or two over a year ago putting a lot of these names in the IMDB for > "Search." The new listing feature just makes it look impressive. > > Marta > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Alexander [mailto:probecontrol@s...] > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:54 PM > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [probe_control] SEARCH Cast List on imdb.com > > > I found this a couple of days ago. It's an exceptional list. I don't know > WHO took the time to compile it, but I'd love to congratulate them. :) > > Interested parties might want to save it somewhere (or at least remember > where to look on imdb) the next time that 'Guest Cast' questions come up for > the series. > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068131/guests > > Thanks-- > > Jim > probecontrol@s... 3035 From: "Morningstar" Date: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:38am Subject: Re: OT - Myth of the 100 Year CD-R am2star I spoke to a friend about this. There are "archival quality" disks that are available, but they are more pricey. Caveat emptor. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "dghprobe3" wrote: > > http://bfarber.com/index.php?showtopic=5907 > The Independent - UK 4-21-4 > > Are we putting too much faith in the ubiquitous "recordable CD", or > CD-R? It is undeniably one of the most useful means of storage > around, offering an inexpensive way to save digital photographs, > music and files and costing less than 50 pence per disc. > > If you check the claims made by some manufacturers of popular CD-R > brands, you will see that some make bold claims indeed. Typical > boasts include: "100-years archival life", "guaranteed archival > lifespan of more than 100 years" and "one million read cycles". One > company even says data can be stored "swiftly and permanently", > leaving you free to bequeath those backups of your letter to the > electricity company to your great-great-grandchildren. > > But an investigation by a Dutch personal computer magazine, PC > Active, has shown that some CD-Rs are unreadable in as little as two > years, because the dyes in the CD's recording layer fade. These dyes > replace the aluminium "pits" of a music CD or CD-Rom, and the laser > uses that layer to distinguish 0s from 1s. When the CD is written, > the writing laser "burns" the dye, which becomes dark, to represent > a "1" while a "0" will be left blank so that if the dye fades, > there's no difference; it's just a long string of nothing to the > playback laser. > > So have you already lost those irreplaceable pictures you committed > to the silver disc? PC Active suggests we should forget CD-Rs as a > durable medium, after its own testing found some with unreadable data > after just two years. "Though they looked fine from the outside, they > turned out to be completely useless," wrote the technical editor > Jeroen Horlings, who had tested 30 brands in 2001, left them in a > dark cupboard for two years and then re-tested them in August 2003. > Of the brands tested, 10 per cent showed ageing problems. And it > wasn't just Horlings. After seeing the results, shocked readers > contacted the magazine with their experiences. > > Recordable DVDs are not off the hook either. The "dye chemicals" in > write-once DVDs are similar to CD-R, though recording density and > disk construction differ. "We're in the process of testing DVDs and > we're sure that the same problems will occur," said Horlings, who > plans to publish his findings soon. > > Gordon Stevenson, the managing director of Vogon International - a > company specialising in data recovery - is familiar with these > shortcomings thanks to the experiences of his customers, one of whom > commissioned Vogon to retrieve pictures of his second honeymoon from > a failed six-month-old CD-R. "The dye layer was fading," Stevenson > says, "but we were able to recover most of the disk. But these claims > [of a 100-year archival life] are unhelpful and misleading. If you're > spending 20p on something, you probably don't expect it to last 100 > years," he says... > > (more at link at page top) 3036 From: "Morningstar" Date: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:24am Subject: Re: Wyatt Earp guest stars in Search am2star I am combining a couple of thoughts from this thread, so please bear with me. "The Life and Times of Wyatt Earp" was made in the 1950s where the audience thought of the Earps, and especially Wyatt, as heros. They were the law, and they were legendary. The audience expected that to be upheld. It was later that the masses started to learn the truth behind the legend. Most actors in Hollywood had stints as guest stars on television shows. Besides being extras in movies, television paid the bills. An actor might me in a western one week, a police show the next, and then a comedy the following. It was just a job that you did, often if lucky. And, shows used to have long seasons. They would run just under 50 episodes in the early days. In the 1950s and 1960s that number was decreased, as reruns seemed to be a profitable option, instead of giving people what they had already seen, the audience could see what they missed or what they liked. In the mid 1960s, some shows still ran about 30 episodes per season. Then, the push was on for about 25, for a full set of reruns. Now, it is hard for shows to make 20 episodes. What a shame. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "dghprobe3" wrote: > > "Wyatt Earp" guest stars in "Search" > > In looking over Des Griffin's webpage on "Wyatt Earp," he gives a > partial listing of guest stars for most episodes. Here are some of > the "Search" guest stars I was able to find. There may be more, they > just weren't listed. > ------------------- > > Jan Merlin (O'Toole in "Moment of Madness") > Season 2, ep 23, "Vengeance Trail") #57 12Feb57 > > Whit Bissell (St. Clair in "Numbered for Death") > Ssn 4, ep 20, "The Muleskinner" #132 20Jan59 > > Paul Picerni (Joe Kittering in "Let Us Prey") > Ssn 4, ep 25, "Horse Race" #136 3Mar59 > > Jack Ging (Chas. Hall Sr. in "Countdown") > Ssn 6, ep 3, "Johnny Behind the Deuce" > #193 11Oct60 > > Ed Nelson (Parker in "Countdown") > Ssn 6, ep 10, "The Too Perfect Crime" > #199 6Dec60 > > (None of these listed episodes will be shown on TV Land during Feb. > or March this year.) > > ------------------- > Interesting to note that other "Earp" episodes featured recognizable > people early in their careers, like Angie Dickinson, Mike Connors, > James Coburn, John Carradine, Louise Fletcher, Ellen Corby, Robert > Fuller, Ron Ely, Elisha Cook Jr., Morgan Woodward, Philip Pine, > Anthony Caruso, Jacqueline Scott, Sean McClory, Charles McGraw, Del > Monroe, Wesley Lau, etc. > > Interesting also to note that a couple of seasons yielded as many as > 42 Earp episodes in that season. By comparison, Search had only 23 > for it's single season. > > ------------------ > More on Des Griffin's Classic TV Archive: > http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/2950/index.html 3037 From: "Morningstar" Date: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:35am Subject: TV's Pot o' Gold am2star I posted this on "The Invaders" group. That group has the same desire to return that show to television and dvd. There is hope. If we contact Warner, and proceed with some of these facts, we might be able to succeed. Currently, networks are selling television shows to boost viewership of their television schedule. And, since many shows are owned by the networks, they get all the money. This can leave studios relegated to selling only movie titles. However, since many studios own the rights to earlier series, they can cut into the market share with little additional investment, and the numbers look promising from the following article. Seinfeld and others find new life and money in DVDs The show about nothing has really been something on DVD. According to rankings by industry newsletter "DVD Exclusive," the DVD set of Seasons 1 and 2 of Seinfeld took in $87 million in retail sales in 2004, making it the top seller of the year. Far behind, at No. 2, was the first season of Chappelle's Show, with $46.3 million in sales. Season 3 of Seinfeld ranked fourth with $32.4 million. Add another $32 million for those who bought Seinfeld Seasons 1-3 as a set, and you're up to $158 million in sales. The Seinfeld set was also the TV-category winner at the fifth annual DVD Exclusive Awards held Tuesday. (C'mon, do you really think there is any corner of the showbiz world that doesn't have a trophy show? This one even has red carpet coverage on TV Guide Channel.) Scott Hettrick, editor-in-chief of the industry magazine DVD Exclusive, which presents the awards, said the TV trophy was the show's big finale, a reflection of how important series have become to the DVD business. "People were more interested in seeing the TV winner than even the best new movie and best classic movie, which were the big attention-getters of the past," he told the Biz. There's a reason TV should be returning the love of the DVD business. It's a revenue stream for production studios that only five years ago were dependent on license fees from networks, sales from foreign broadcasters and (hopefully) dollars from domestic syndication. At the Television Critics Association press tour last month, more than one executive was talking about DVD sales as if they were a surprise gift on Christmas morning. WB chairman Garth Ancier called the DVD boom "a remarkable occurrence." The earliest TV-show successes on DVD were cult and sci-fi series — Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Star Trek and The X-Files — that had fanatical followings. Soon after that, sales boomed for hit sitcoms like Friends (still a strong seller) and the HBO programs Sex and the City and The Sopranos, which had critical acclaim but were previously available only to the third of the country that subscribed to the pay cable network. Animated hits such as The Simpsons and Family Guy also became top sellers. Now just about any new series can be mined for the DVD format. "The Fox show Wonderfalls had four episodes [aired] but they shot about nine," says Hettrick. "That was enough for a DVD, and it's doing pretty well because it had a small but strong following." While the biggest hit movies on DVD can sell in the millions, a TV series just has to do a few hundred thousand units to be successful — a fraction of the audience for a moderately successful prime-time show. The biggest sellers — Seinfeld, The Simpsons, Family Guy and Chappelle's Show — are in the 2 million range. Studios are also digging through their archives for old series to put on store shelves. NBC Universal will release as many as 40 TV titles this year, including Murder She Wrote, Miami Vice and Leave It to Beaver. Which shows don't work on DVD? "Reality doesn't do well at all," Hettrick says. "Anything where there is a contest or a conclusion. Once you know the winner, it isn't that much fun to watch it again. Survivor hasn't done well. Neither has The Apprentice." But as bullish as the TV business is about DVDs, the format won't be a decisive factor in making new shows or keeping them on the air. Says Ancier: "When you're spending an average of $1.6 million an hour to make shows, you can't let the DVD tail wag the dog." 3038 From: Date: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:44am Subject: Re: TV's Pot o' Gold actingman_jc Which of course has its exceptions. Family Guy is back in production and returning to the air in May because the DVDs sold so well they want more product to release. And I have been wondering if the number of episodes available was the reason that Paramount agreeded to increase their deficit spending and reduce the license fee UPN would pay to have this final season of Enterprise that is drawing to a close. > >Subject: [probe_control] TV's Pot o' Gold > From: "Morningstar" > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:35:06 -0000 > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > > >But as bullish as the TV business is about DVDs, the format won't be a >decisive factor in making new shows or keeping them on the air. Says >Ancier: "When you're spending an average of $1.6 million an hour to >make shows, you can't let the DVD tail wag the dog." 3039 From: Date: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:48am Subject: Re: Wyatt Earp guest stars in Search actingman_jc 50? I always thought the magic number was 39...because that was what the live shows did. 39 shows and then a summer replacement for 13 weeks. > >Subject: [probe_control] Re: Wyatt Earp guest stars in Search > From: "Morningstar" > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:24:27 -0000 > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > >And, shows used to have long seasons. They would run just under 50 >episodes in the early days. In the 1950s and 1960s that number was >decreased, as reruns seemed to be a profitable option, instead of >giving people what they had already seen, the audience could see what >they missed or what they liked. > >In the mid 1960s, some shows still ran about 30 episodes per season. >Then, the push was on for about 25, for a full set of reruns. Now, it >is hard for shows to make 20 episodes. What a shame. > > 3040 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:25am Subject: Re: Episodes per season dghprobe3 Hi: 39 episodes per season was the norm during the b&w period. The switch to color began the trend toward fewer shows. Networks got rather skittish around the 1980's, witness "Police Squad's" initial order for only 6 shows, yet those have since become a cult hit which then became a successful series of movies. The early history of "Seinfeld" was very tentative as NBC was unsure of what it had. The problem being, how can a show find an audience if it doesn't run for a while? Also, for the most part, networks could generally order additional 'option' episodes if they wanted to extend the season a bit. It's been reported that third season Star Trek could have gone for two more episodes beyond "Turnabout Intruder," but NBC decided not to exercise it's option. Reportedly, Bill Shatner was to have directed the last of the two optional episodes, had they been made. I also notice that one season of Wyatt Earp had 42 shows (1959-60). http://aa.1asphost.com/CTVA/US/Western/WyattEarp.htm ---------------------------- --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > 50? I always thought the magic number was 39...because that was > what the live shows did. 39 shows & then a summer replacement for > 13 weeks. > > > > >Subject: Re: Wyatt Earp guest stars in Search > > From: "Morningstar" > > > >And, shows used to have long seasons. They would run just under 50 > >episodes in the early days. In the 1950s and 1960s that number was > >decreased, as reruns seemed to be a profitable option, instead of > >giving people what they had already seen, the audience could see > >what they missed or what they liked. > > > >In the mid 1960s, some shows still ran about 30 eps per season. > >Then the push was on for about 25 for a full set of reruns. Now, it > >is hard for shows to make 20 episodes. What a shame. 3041 From: "bryankd97053" Date: Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:09am Subject: Angel Tompkins 1972 NBC Ironside Press Release Photo bryankd97053 You can find the press release photo for sale on ebay by clicking here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=60399&item=4701506965&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW 3042 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:36am Subject: Re: Angel Tompkins 1972 NBC Ironside Photo dghprobe3 Hi Bryan: I didn't know Angel appeared on an Ironside episode. I also notice her hair is darker in this shot. Does anyone have this episode on video? NBC-Universal will reportedly start releasing Ironside on DVD sometime later this year, but it might take awhile for them to get to this third or fourth season episode. Whoever is going to bid on this, let us know and the rest of us will stand aside so you can get it. Just promise you'll send a scan to probecontrol.com so a high-quality JPG can be posted. :-) --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "bryankd97053" wrote: > > You can find the press release photo for sale on ebay by clicking: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=60399&item=4701506965&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW 3043 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:39am Subject: Re: Angel Tompkins 1972 NBC Ironside Photo dghprobe3 Actually, you can go to the eBay page and click on the smaller photo posted of Angel to get a larger scan, the "supersized image." This scan might be all we need for posting on the website? > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "bryankd97053" wrote: > > > > You can find the press release photo for sale on ebay by clicking: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&category=60399&item=4701506965&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW 3044 From: Bryan Date: Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:55am Subject: Re: Re: Angel Tompkins 1972 NBC Ironside Photo bryankd97053 The seller has indicated the typewritten NBC promo is attached to the back, which would be interesting to have as well. On 2/20/05 8:39 PM, "dghprobe3" wrote: > Actually, you can go to the eBay page and click on the smaller photo > posted of Angel to get a larger scan, the "supersized image." This > scan might be all we need for posting on the website? 3045 From: "thrucki" Date: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:20pm Subject: SEARCH-PROBE link thrucki Dear Don, I added a link back to your PROBE site in my OUTER LIMITS links page. ***Probe Control Out*** Thomas 3046 From: Date: Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:22pm Subject: SEARCH-PROBE link probecontrol Thomas wrote: >... I added a link back to your PROBE site in my OUTER LIMITS links page. http://membres.lycos.fr/tmcr/daystar/tol_links.shtml ***Probe Control Out*** =================================== Looks like a verrrrrrrry cool website, Thomas. I'm going to have to investigate further. :) It looks like there's MUCH of interest here to fans of Leslie Stevens work. Thanks-- Jim Alexander