3047 From: "cybiedad" Date: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:14am Subject: Scanner cad files cybiedad Hello, Just completed a 3d model of the scanner and ring and would like to post it for feedback. I have a CNC machine that could cut the master. Thanks Andrew 3048 From: Date: Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:27pm Subject: Scanner cad files probecontrol >... Just completed a 3d model of the scanner and ring and would like to post it for feedback. I have a CNC machine that could cut the master. Thanks Andrew ============================ Wow, Andrew! PLEASE do! That sounds exciting! We'll be waiting for a peek in the PHOTOS section! Let us know when it's ready, eh? Jim Alexander 3049 From: "Mike" Date: Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:14pm Subject: Re: Scanner cad files kc8nqa Wow - Thats sounds really great, I would also like to see them. Here are a couple pics of my Scanner and Attachments. Have A Great Day All. Mike. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/ScnrTopAngle.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/ScnrATTBack.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/Ring_Att.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/ScnrOnRing.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/ScnrOnAttSide.jpg 3050 From: Date: Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:22pm Subject: Mike's Scanner Pics probecontrol Wow! I'm knocked out by your pictures, Mike. Before I looked at them, I assumed that they were the ones you'd already posted in the PHOTOS section, but... they're NEW! And how! BEAUTIFUL! That's some really impressive work! How can one such as I purchase one of these Scanners and the accessories? Do YOU do these, or have you purchased them elsewhere? Ring and Pendant attachments? KEWL! Jim Alexander ==================================================== ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:14:49 -0000 >From: "Mike" >Subject: [probe_control] Re: Scanner cad files >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Wow - Thats sounds really great, I would also like to see them. > >Here are a couple pics of my Scanner and Attachments. > >Have A Great Day All. > >Mike. > > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/ScnrTopAng le.jpg > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/ScnrATTBac k.jpg > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/Ring_Att.j pg > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/ScnrOnRing .jpg > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/ScnrOnAttS ide.jpg 3051 From: "parrott76262" Date: Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:49pm Subject: Re: Mike's Scanner Pics parrott76262 I agree w/Jim. Those pics are outstanding. If you decide to sell these, please let us know. You would have a buyer here. In relation to Andrew's pics and his cad effort. I want to see those too. I created a cad drawing last year and have tried unsuccessfully to get three different machine shops to give me quotes so I could get some scanners and rings made. Great stuff, Martin --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Wow! I'm knocked out by your pictures, Mike. Before I > looked at them, I assumed that they were the ones you'd > already posted in the PHOTOS section, but... they're NEW! > And how! > > BEAUTIFUL! That's some really impressive work! > > How can one such as I purchase one of these Scanners and the > accessories? Do YOU do these, or have you purchased them > elsewhere? > > Ring and Pendant attachments? KEWL! > > Jim Alexander > ==================================================== 3052 From: "KatHevin" Date: Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:18pm Subject: Re: Re: Mike's Scanner Pics bstiffle Ditto! You definitely have a ready market. They really look REAL (they're NOT, are they ??) Billie Stiffler ----- Original Message ----- From: parrott76262 To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 4:49 PM Subject: [probe_control] Re: Mike's Scanner Pics I agree w/Jim. Those pics are outstanding. If you decide to sell these, please let us know. You would have a buyer here. In relation to Andrew's pics and his cad effort. I want to see those too. I created a cad drawing last year and have tried unsuccessfully to get three different machine shops to give me quotes so I could get some scanners and rings made. Great stuff, Martin --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Wow! I'm knocked out by your pictures, Mike. Before I > looked at them, I assumed that they were the ones you'd > already posted in the PHOTOS section, but... they're NEW! > And how! > > BEAUTIFUL! That's some really impressive work! > > How can one such as I purchase one of these Scanners and the > accessories? Do YOU do these, or have you purchased them > elsewhere? > > Ring and Pendant attachments? KEWL! > > Jim Alexander > ==================================================== 3053 From: "cybiedad" Date: Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:01am Subject: Cad Files cybiedad Hello, Mike Excellent work! Here are screen caps form the cad files. Geomerty was created from posted images that I brought into the CAD software. The entire process took about 2 hrs. As you can see there is no chip or thick film circuit detail. These could be inserted as photo detail or actual bonded die on headers. The images I used were lacking in detail so things like the back of scanner and top of the ring are blank at this point. Mike's picture have alot of great surface detail I could not glean from the sources on line. Again Great Job Mike! I am new to this group so you all probably already know about the $30.00 sugar cube sized color video TV cameras/wireless transmitters on ebay..almost a Scanner reality. Just a little too big to fit in the scanner housing with batteries, but soon they will be small enough. They are very good on R/C cars and model rockets! Check out the video manual. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48632&item=5760010953&rd=\ 1 http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan5.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan4.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan3.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan2.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/lensandmodule.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/housingandring.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan1.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan.jpg 3054 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Sun Mar 13, 2005 0:26am Subject: Scanner prop CAD Files probecontrol Verrrrrrrrrry cool CAD stuff, cybiedad! Thanks so much for sharing your efforts with the group! Jim Alexander probecontrol@... =========================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "cybiedad" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:01 AM Subject: [probe_control] Cad Files > > Hello, > > Mike Excellent work! > > Here are screen caps form the cad files. Geomerty was created from > posted images that I brought into the CAD software. The entire > process took about 2 hrs. As you can see there is no chip or thick > film circuit detail. These could be inserted as photo detail or > actual bonded die on headers. The images I used were lacking in detail > so things like the back of scanner and top of the ring are blank at > this point. > > Mike's picture have alot of great surface detail I could not glean > from the sources on line. Again Great Job Mike! > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan5.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan4.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan3.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan2.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/lensandmodule.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/housingandring.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan1.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan.jpg 3055 From: "Mike" Date: Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:10am Subject: Re: Scanner prop CAD Files kc8nqa Hello Jim, Billie, Parrott and the rest of the Gang. Thanks for the compliments on the Scanner. I do not have any that I could part with at the moment - I am trying to get my hands on any more that are available, when they are available. As for the Agent Ring, I do not think that any will be available - if I do get a hold of anything at all, it will be the Scanners and the Neck Chain Attachment. Excellent indeed, cybiedad, Very nice work - thanks so much for sharing with us. Yes, the pics of the Scanner I posted is Very Detailed, I thought I would share with rest of the board. I will keep all informed if and when any become available. Good Day To ALL, Mike --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Alexander" wrote: > Verrrrrrrrrry cool CAD stuff, cybiedad! Thanks so much for sharing your > efforts with the group! > > Jim Alexander > probecontrol@s... > > =========================================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cybiedad" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:01 AM > Subject: [probe_control] Cad Files > > > > Hello, > > > > Mike Excellent work! > > > > Here are screen caps form the cad files. Geomerty was created from > > posted images that I brought into the CAD software. The entire > > process took about 2 hrs. As you can see there is no chip or thick > > film circuit detail. These could be inserted as photo detail or > > actual bonded die on headers. The images I used were lacking in detail > > so things like the back of scanner and top of the ring are blank at > > this point. > > > > Mike's picture have alot of great surface detail I could not glean > > from the sources on line. Again Great Job Mike! > > > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan5.jpg > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan4.jpg > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan3.jpg > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan2.jpg > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/lensandmodule.jpg > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/housingandring.jpg > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan1.jpg > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan.jpg 3056 From: "cybiedad" Date: Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:28pm Subject: Scanner Cad Files cybiedad Hello, My Goal is to make a resin Scanner/Ring/Tag from the Cad File. I have a small formt CNC machine that can easily cut resin or wax for a pattern. Silicon molds can then be pulled and dusted with gold tone metalic finish. The cast parts look like metal but I have never tries to buff to a mirror fine finish. The circuitry could be photo replicas embedded in clear resin. There are several detail that I am not clear on: 1) Is the center lens concave (in) or convex (out) 2) What are the control dimensions (dia, height) of the scanner 3) Are there any clear front top side shots (Mike's postings were pretty close to that) (Next step would be to stuff one of the camera/transmitters into the Scanner housing with a CR2032 battery) 3057 From: Date: Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:50pm Subject: Re: Scanner Cad Files probecontrol cybiedad wrote: There are several detail that I am not clear on: 1) Is the center lens concave (in) or convex (out) ================== That's a question I can answer! I'll take "Search Scanner" for $500, Alex! :) It's convex, sir. ================== 2) What are the control dimensions (dia, height) of the scanner ================== I'm not sure if we HAVE exact dimensions of the scanner, cybiedad. I think it's 'best guess' at this point. You can use the probecontrol.com film clip library to determine the approximate size. Someday, we may have access to John Strong's original Scanner prop... but as of right now, we don't--so exact dimensions aren't available. ================== 3) Are there any clear front top side shots (Mike's postings were pretty close to that) ================== Check Probe009.jpg on the website under the 'Images from the episodes' for the PROBE two-hour pilot film. See if that fills the bill. :) Thanks for all your efforts, cybidad! Jim Alexander 3058 From: "Mike" Date: Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:09pm Subject: Re: Scanner Cad Files kc8nqa Hello cybiedad, and the Gang. :) I know that the Main LENS is convex (out). It is also alittle recessed in the Casing. As for the Dimensions - I think that 7/8" is accepted as the Main Casing outer dimension. If that is so - then by the Screen shots - you should be able to extrapolate the other dimensions of the LENS Casing and the Input Sensors . Should be able to get close anyway. As for the Height - that may be a bit more difficult to arrive at, there are not many really good side shots of the Scanner. The last thing is to consider the Real Screen Shots that are used to get the dimensions from - it appears that they used different Scanners in different shots, from the interview with Mr. Strong, we already know that there was only (1) Hero Scanner and there were - other Work Horses. From the screen shots available, it appears that they indeed used at least (2) I think it may have been 3-4 different Scanners and the detail varied, and Possibly the finish on the Main Casing. It will be nice to see how it shapes up and turns out, should make for good conversation on the board. Anyway cybiedad, My Hats Off To You - Excellent - Excellent Indeed. Good Day To ALL!, Mike kc8nqa 3059 From: "cybiedad" Date: Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:50am Subject: revised cad files cybiedad Hello, Here are some revised files. Improved scanner geometry AND breakdown for CNC. I was talking with some people who have Ink jet printed on irregular surfaces. This might be the ticket for the thick film IC part (blue and white) of the scanner. I hope to cut one of these in machinable wax soon. Thanks for the Help, I will keep you posted! http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/mk2scan5.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/mk2scan4.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/mk2scan3.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/mk2scan1.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/MK2scan.jpg 3060 From: "Mike" Date: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:35pm Subject: Re: revised cad files/Scanner availability kc8nqa Great Job cybiedad, Those pics are Excellent, your doing a Great Job. Thanks for keeping us posted. About the Scanner I posted pics of: I should have a couple that I can part with in a week or two, if anyone is interested. Scanner: The LENS Casing, Main Casing, Side Rails and Back are 24k Gold Plated, very strong magnet, attaches very securely. The Attachment is also plated in the same. Although the pics just don't do it justice, here are a couple more. I will only be able to get the Chain Attachments - No Rings :( Sorry. I hope things work out with cybiedad , maybe we can all get Rings from him? I know I could use a couple myself. The ring I have is one that I picked up sometime ago and had it modified. Everyone Have A Great Day. kc8nqa Mike http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/NTon.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/ON.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/NTonRing.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/ohitsjustme/ONRing.jpg --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "cybiedad" wrote: > > Hello, > > Here are some revised files. Improved scanner geometry AND breakdown > for CNC. I was talking with some people who have Ink jet printed on > irregular surfaces. This might be the ticket for the thick film IC > part (blue and white) of the scanner. I hope to cut one of these in > machinable wax soon. > > Thanks for the Help, I will keep you posted! > > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/mk2scan5.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/mk2scan4.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/mk2scan3.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/mk2scan1.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/MK2scan.jpg 3061 From: "cybiedad" Date: Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:40pm Subject: Mill check of scanner cybiedad contined saga of the Probe Scanner>>> Milled from a scrap of machinable blue wax to see if the tiny walls would breakout. Looks great, next steps mill it properly and pull a silicon rubber tool. Cast parts in resin and fit check. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/milltest2.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/milltest1.jpg 3062 From: Martin Parrott Date: Wed Mar 16, 2005 0:34am Subject: Re: Mill check of scanner parrott76262 Ah, you are a man after mine own heart. I have been saving my spare cash so I can buy a tabletop mill and/or lathe so I could do things like you are doing. Care to share any info on your equipment? Many thanks for the updates, keep them coming! Martin cybiedad wrote: > > contined saga of the Probe Scanner>>> > > Milled from a scrap of machinable blue wax to see if the tiny walls > would breakout. Looks great, next steps mill it properly and pull a > silicon rubber tool. Cast parts in resin and fit check. > > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/milltest2.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/milltest1.jpg > > 3063 From: "cybiedad" Date: Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:53am Subject: Scanner fit check cybiedad Hey Martin, Well, You asked for it. I use Rhino 3D Cad software and a Roland MDX 20 mill. I have been designing and milling for over 2 years and have made over 50 projects (most multi-part projects). I attended a Rhino Class- very important to get up the learning curve. I started with an MDX 15 I found on Ebay for about $1,000. The Mill table was too small for most of my work (4X6X2") so traded up to the 20 (6X8X2")...these babies gotta work for there keep! The picture represent about 4 hours of me time (CAD Mill files and Mill prep) and 4 hours of machine's time. Of course I have been waiting 35 years for a Scanner:) The trick to making and project is to design so it can be built. I chose to make the Scanner housing with the lens housing attached. The Thick film circuit boards(2pcs) go into the housing. The IC chip header slides over the lens housing and captures the large circuit board. The small board whic hides the magnet goes in the lens housing the small chip header on that board and finally the lens is press fit in holding these items in place. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/FITTESTWITHWAX.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/KEEPER.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/MILLOP.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/MILLSCREEN.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/VIRTUALMILL.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/WAXPARTS.jpg 3064 From: Martin Parrott Date: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:29am Subject: Re: Scanner fit check parrott76262 Ah, those pics are great. I was a CNC programmer for 14 years at Boeing. I have used many CAD/CAM packages (I even wrote one myself that allowed me to use my Amiga to drive a CNC wire edm machine) and this project of yours have fired up the old itch to start doing this again. I want to convert a lot of my designs into tangible objects. I have many designs for Space 1999, Invaders, Search/Probe, etc objects and props. We are probably going too far off topic to continue this type of conversation here. If so, someone let me know and I will take this off list. I hope you keep the pics coming as you continue the process. Martin cybiedad wrote: > > Hey Martin, > > Well, You asked for it. > > I use Rhino 3D Cad software and a Roland MDX 20 mill. I have been > designing and milling for over 2 years and have made over 50 projects > (most multi-part projects). I attended a Rhino Class- very important > to get up the learning curve. I started with an MDX 15 I found on Ebay > for about $1,000. The Mill table was too small for most of my work > (4X6X2") so traded up to the 20 (6X8X2")...these babies gotta work for > there keep! > > The picture represent about 4 hours of me time (CAD Mill files and > Mill prep) and 4 hours of machine's time. Of course I have been > waiting 35 years for a Scanner:) > > The trick to making and project is to design so it can be built. I > chose to make the Scanner housing with the lens housing attached. The > Thick film circuit boards(2pcs) go into the housing. The IC chip > header slides over the lens housing and captures the large circuit > board. The small board whic hides the magnet goes in the lens housing > the small chip header on that board and finally the lens is press fit > in holding these items in place. > > > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/FITTESTWITHWAX.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/KEEPER.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/MILLOP.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/MILLSCREEN.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/VIRTUALMILL.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/WAXPARTS.jpg > 3065 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:32am Subject: OT: Sci-Fi props probecontrol Martin Parrott wrote: >... I have many designs for Space 1999, Invaders, Search/Probe, etc objects and props. We are probably going too far off topic to continue this type of conversation here. If so, someone let me know and I will take this off list. =================== *I'D* like to hear more--especially if it means that I might be able to purchase SEARCH or INVADERS props in the future! :) Preach on, brothers! Jim Alexander 3066 From: Martin Parrott Date: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:58am Subject: Re: OT: Sci-Fi props parrott76262 Jim, As I stated earlier, I have been trying to find a machine shop to quote some of my designs. So far I have contacted three, but they haven't gotten back to me. I suspect the small number of parts isn't worth their while to even bother getting a quote together. I just need to keep looking until I find a small shop with some excess time and a good heart. :) As far as the designs, I have plans to make the following props: Space: 1999 - CommLock and Stun gun Invaders - Invader spaceship, large and small Invader 'ray' guns, Invader communicator disk, Invader 'killing' disk Search/Probe - Scanner, ring, necklace (looks like I may not have to do these if the recent posts are any indication) The Day the Earth Stood Still - Spaceship This Island Earth - Spaceship UFO - UFO Spaceship, Interceptor Forbidden Planet - Spaceship Where possible, the props will be to scale (no, I will not be creating any scale models of the spaceships). I am open on other props as well. I can design pretty much anything. Hope this is the kind of info you were looking for. Martin Jim Alexander wrote: > Martin Parrott wrote: > >>... I have many designs for Space 1999, Invaders, Search/Probe, etc objects > > and props. We are probably going too far off topic to continue this type of > conversation here. If so, someone let me know and I will take this off > list. > =================== > *I'D* like to hear more--especially if it means that I might be able to > purchase SEARCH or INVADERS props in the future! :) Preach on, brothers! > > Jim Alexander > 3067 From: Date: Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:11am Subject: Re: Scanner fit check actingman_jc I don't have a problem with such conversations...as long as the subject line shows what it is about. Jim's message followed the usual form. I suspect those of us on this list each have a favorite genre show or two...and like the idea of props. And it appears we all have such varied backgrounds...which means the more we discuss, the more we can come up with. And of course it can always cycle back to Search since the scanner is one of the props to shoot for...as well as a proper ring and pendant. And until we unearth Ends of the Earth...it doesn't hurt to have something to talk about to take up the slack. OT myself, I used the Moonbase Alpha Technical Notebook commlock pages for reference, and made one out of plywood. I wouldn't mind having another one...and a laser gun as well...oh yes. So please, discuss away...we are genre people here...the genre of the fictional works, the genre of the film production people, the genre of the performers, and the genre of the craftspeople. Wish I knew how to make some of the Probe Control consoles. From the carpentry needed to the wiring of the flashing lights...no clue. > >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Scanner fit check > From: Martin Parrott > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:29:56 -0600 > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > > >We are probably going too far off topic to continue this type of >conversation here. If so, someone let me know and I will take this off list. > >I hope you keep the pics coming as you continue the process. > >Martin 3068 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:28am Subject: Item posted to Files dghprobe3 Hi: Did a little newspaper research last week and found a small item which I posted to Files in the "Tony Franciosa" folder. Wish the quality was better, but library microfilm can only do so much sometimes: http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/files 720913_SearchFranciosa1_p.jpg 9-13-72: Small item from Marietta Daily Journal on premiere of Search, includes Franciosa pic. 3069 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:12pm Subject: RE: OT: Sci-Fi props gfwillmetts I second Jim on this. We've been pretty liberal on some of our other passions here & we're all adults in the same age range so bound to have other similar interests. Geoff 3070 From: "Mike" Date: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:21pm Subject: Re: Cad Files kc8nqa Hello cybiedad and ALL, In regard to the size of a Real Camera small enough to fit in the Main Housing, someone posted the info and pics of the pill size medical camera, it's the size of a pill like a Contact Cold Capsule. There maybe some cameras with Xmitter out there somewere that would fit but I have not seen any for sale to the public yet. Probably pretty expensive. I do know that there is one that is the size of a pea - goes in a pair of glasses, it would fit in the LENS Casing, then there is the Xmitter and battery problem. That would be the ultimate - a Scanner Replica that really works. Good Day To ALL kc8nqa --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "cybiedad" wrote: > > > > Hello, > > Mike Excellent work! > > Here are screen caps form the cad files. Geomerty was created from > posted images that I brought into the CAD software. The entire > process took about 2 hrs. As you can see there is no chip or thick > film circuit detail. These could be inserted as photo detail or > actual bonded die on headers. The images I used were lacking in detail > so things like the back of scanner and top of the ring are blank at > this point. > > Mike's picture have alot of great surface detail I could not glean > from the sources on line. Again Great Job Mike! > > I am new to this group so you all probably already know about the > $30.00 sugar cube sized color video TV cameras/wireless transmitters > on ebay..almost a Scanner reality. Just a little too big to fit in the > scanner housing with batteries, but soon they will be small enough. > > They are very good on R/C cars and model rockets! Check out the video > manual. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=48632&item=5760010953&rd=1 > > > > > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan5.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan4.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan3.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan2.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/lensandmodule.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/housingandring.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan1.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scan.jpg 3071 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:25pm Subject: RE: Re: Cad Files gfwillmetts Hello everyone Hello kc8nqa That someone was me re: medical camera. Its the wrong shape for a Probe scanner. I'm up to my eyeballs sorting reviews out at present but those of you who have access to Eye Spy mag in the States might have seen an ad for a Pinhole Board Camera which incorporates a microphone. You can probably access more info about size, etc off the net. They say it costs about $240 for a colour version although I'm pretty sure someone out there will find it cheaper. If its the right size, maybe it can be housed in a TV scanner. :-) Geoff 3072 From: "Mike" Date: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:26am Subject: Re: Cad Files kc8nqa Hello Geoff, Glad you checked in. Sorry I didn't remember that was you with the post on the Medical Camera. The only thing I see as a real problem making a functional Scanner is the size of the Xmitter Board and also the Power Supply, most xmitters also need some type of antenna. Well, someday it just may possible. Good Day All. kc8nqa --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > Hello everyone > Hello kc8nqa > > That someone was me re: medical camera. Its the wrong shape for a Probe > scanner. I'm up to my eyeballs sorting reviews out at present but those of > you who have access to Eye Spy mag in the States might have seen an ad for a > Pinhole Board Camera which incorporates a microphone. You can probably > access more info about size, etc off the net. They say it costs about $240 > for a colour version although I'm pretty sure someone out there will find it > cheaper. > > If its the right size, maybe it can be housed in a TV scanner. :-) > > Geoff 3073 From: "bfiler2002000" Date: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:11am Subject: Completely Functional Scanner- How many years away? bfiler2002000 Several people now have pointed out the camera on Ebay that's the size of a sugar cube (though it turns out to be the wrong shape to fit in cybiedad's scanner model) If that is what's out there now, then it seems as though we're maybe a couple of years away from having s camera that would fit in the housing, at least insofar as the lens part. However, what is it that's actually meant here? Would that be just having a lens assembly that would fit in the housing, but having to wear a transmitter and/or power source clipped to your belt? Do you have a primitive black and white picture? Do you have a good quality color picture, but no sound? I'm sure most Probe/Search fans' ultimate wish list would be a fully functional scanner as seen in the show. That's what we all want to know about. I know there must be people here who are electronics engineers and who know the state of the art and what we can expect a few years down the road. I'm deeply curious about this and I know I must not be the only one. So let's consider this as the basics for a workable scanner: A movie camera with acceptable quality color picture (Zoom optional), microphone (acceptable quality sound), plus transmitter and power supply...all self-contained and able to fit in a housing roughly the size of a quarter, half-dollar at the most (maybe the half-dollar size has the zoom mode?) I figure we are much closer to this as a reality today than we were when we first saw this portrayed on a certain TV show 30+ years ago, and that it will probably be LESS than 30 years before we might actually hold one in our hands, maybe even use it the way those of us who have camcorders use them now. OK, techies, let's hear from you. How long do you think before a completely functional scanner can be bought at the local department store or Radio Shack...or even off Ebay? 3074 From: Date: Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:27pm Subject: Functional Scanners probecontrol Mike wrote: >... The only thing I see as a real problem making a functional Scanner is the size of the Xmitter Board and also the Power Supply, most xmitters also need some type of antenna. ==================== Well, if it's worn around the neck, couldn't the antenna be 'hidden' in the chain? Just a thought. :) Jim Alexander 3076 From: "Mike" Date: Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:19pm Subject: Re: Functional Scanners kc8nqa Hello ALL, I have been involved in undercover surveillance for many years, I have also been a licensed HAM Operator since 1999 - I have several little cameras and Transmitters; Color and B/W. Xmitters on different freqs. One camera is housed in a Pager, I have another one that will go just about anywhere (Button Hole, Hat, Etc.) They can be Hard Wired or hooked up through a Xmitter - I have 3 different Xmitters. Again, the problem I see is the size, size of the Xmitters and Power Supply. We cannot forget about the antenna either. Jim has a great idea: the chain could be the antenna. The cameras themselves are very small, there are even smaller ones available to the public, one the size of a pea. The Pager Cam I have will run a 9v radio battery for several hours. Any of the Xmitters I have would not do so well, they have a much higher power consumption. They do make very small Xmitters but the range is very short. I see several years passing before a Functional S.E.A.R.C.H. Scanner could realistically be made and actually function. Well, Have A Great Day ALL, kc8nqa --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Mike wrote: > >... The only thing I see as a real problem making a > functional Scanner is the size of the Xmitter Board and also > the Power Supply, most xmitters also need some type of > antenna. > ==================== > Well, if it's worn around the neck, couldn't the antenna > be 'hidden' in the chain? > > Just a thought. :) > > Jim Alexander 3077 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:45pm Subject: RE: Re: how TV scanner was powered gfwillmetts Hello Mike/kc8nqa The one thing the ad didn't show was its scale not scanner resolution. The original Probe scanner never carried a power supply. I got Jim Alexander on this. If you look at the original pilot, the energy is actually beamed into it. Not an entirely impossible idea. Probably means there's a fine wire aerial wrapped around the inner part of the disk. No wonder it was easy to make them explode on Grover's first case. How many of you folk are going to check the episodes. :-) Geoff 3078 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:58pm Subject: RE: Functional Scanners gfwillmetts Hello Jim I thought the same thing about the neck chain being an aerial but had to have a re-think because of the scanner being worn on a ring, a cuff-link & even on its own in the pilot. Of course, with all the stuff inside the Probe agent, he could be carrying an internal power source. Geoff 3079 From: "Mike" Date: Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:04am Subject: Re: how TV scanner was powered kc8nqa Hello again Geoff, Jim and Gang, I think that concept is totally feasible and unfortunately the only episode I have in my possession is the Pilot - I am going from memory on the rest of the episodes. I think I know the Pilot Inside and Out, I've watched so many times I'm afraid the tape will wear out. LOL Someday I maybe able to get my hands on some of the others - I know someone in the Video business that had a line on many of the episodes but it didn't pan out, the person my contact dealt with is no longer is in the business. Don't know what happened? I just thought of something I had when I was kid, well a young kid cuz I'm still a kid at heart. LOL I had a small radio that had a clip on it - no batteries - when you clipped it to anything metal, it worked. Not sure of the concept but it was years before SEARCH. If that were possible way back then, I would think that a signal could be generated the same way? Just a thought. Really enjoying the postings - Great conversation indeed. Well, Good Day To All. Mike --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > Hello Mike/kc8nqa > > The one thing the ad didn't show was its scale not scanner resolution. > > The original Probe scanner never carried a power supply. I got Jim Alexander > on this. If you look at the original pilot, the energy is actually beamed > into it. Not an entirely impossible idea. Probably means there's a fine wire > aerial wrapped around the inner part of the disk. No wonder it was easy to > make them explode on Grover's first case. > > How many of you folk are going to check the episodes. :-) > > Geoff 3080 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:09am Subject: RE: Re: how TV scanner was powered gfwillmetts Hello Mike Which country do you live in?? There are tapes of the episodes in circulation in the group & some arrangement can be sorted out. After last night, I did a little more thinking. If the Probe has got something internal, then at most it would be an amplifier rather than a power source. The problem with Kuroda beaming in the power to the TV scanner is what frequency. The same carrier wave would send the signals back & strictly speaking, considering how the scanner can change through the electromagnetic spectrum, it isn't a standard camera but probably an early example of digital. Anyway, I'm side-tracking. On the em scale, it's probably low frequency microwaves. Not enough to fry the brains & with the TV scanner's internal ariel probably easy to direct at it than the Probe. Notice how Lockwood how to rotate the scanner in the cellar for best transmission. Thank the Illuminatii that Leslie Stevens wrote stories that were internally consistent. Geoff 3081 From: "KatHevin" Date: Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:10am Subject: Tapes or DVDs of SEARCH bstiffle OK guys, I'm new to the group - and I've been happily following along the discussions of the past few days - but I can't take it any longer - I NEED to re-view (one or two hundred times) the pilot and series. HOW do I get copies of the movie and old shows? Believe it or not - YEARS ago, I taped the pilot - the tape BROKE - I still have the cassette - I figure someday, I'll "repair" the damaged tape... but I'd really, really love to view all, or as much of the series as possible. Can someone help set me up with the media. I've searched the internet for the movie, and that's how I found this group. I'd forgotten how much I loved the series. Billie Stiffler 3082 From: "cybiedad" Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:52am Subject: resin model cybiedad here are some pix of the first pull in resin http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/chipsout.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/fullup.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/pcbout.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/lensout.jpg 3083 From: Martin Parrott Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:15am Subject: Re: resin model parrott76262 Great progress! cybiedad wrote: > > here are some pix of the first pull in resin > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/chipsout.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/fullup.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/pcbout.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/lensout.jpg > 3084 From: "Morningstar" Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:13am Subject: Re: Scanner fit check am2star The flashing lights are really no problem. The biggest issue would be to have the right buttons. Making them work is fairly simple. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > I don't have a problem with such conversations...as long as the subject line shows what it is about. > > Jim's message followed the usual form. > > I suspect those of us on this list each have a favorite genre show or two...and like the idea of props. > > And it appears we all have such varied backgrounds...which means the more we discuss, the more we can come up with. > > And of course it can always cycle back to Search since the scanner is one of the props to shoot for...as well as a proper ring and pendant. > > And until we unearth Ends of the Earth...it doesn't hurt to have something to talk about to take up the slack. > > OT myself, I used the Moonbase Alpha Technical Notebook commlock pages for reference, and made one out of plywood. > > I wouldn't mind having another one...and a laser gun as well...oh yes. > > So please, discuss away...we are genre people here...the genre of the fictional works, the genre of the film production people, the genre of the performers, and the genre of the craftspeople. > > Wish I knew how to make some of the Probe Control consoles. From the carpentry needed to the wiring of the flashing lights...no clue. > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Scanner fit check > > From: Martin Parrott > > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:29:56 -0600 > > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >We are probably going too far off topic to continue this type of > >conversation here. If so, someone let me know and I will take this off list. > > > >I hope you keep the pics coming as you continue the process. > > > >Martin 3085 From: "Morningstar" Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:23am Subject: Re: OT: Sci-Fi props am2star That is the most diplomatic way of saying "We're all nuts." Thanks. So, who is going to make a cottage industry of Probe scanners? When you are set up for one, ten won't be that much more expensive. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > I second Jim on this. > > We've been pretty liberal on some of our other passions here & we're all > adults in the same age range so bound to have other similar interests. > > Geoff 3086 From: "Morningstar" Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:43am Subject: Re: Completely Functional Scanner- How many years away? am2star Five years. The hardest thing is the power source. Look at cellular telephones. They are as small as is COMFORTABLE and PRACTICAL. So, as the technology gets smaller (putting more operations in a microchip) they add more functions to fill the case. The other problem is the antenna. Once it is working, who will receive it? How far and on what frequencies will Probe Control be using? Still, five years. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "bfiler2002000" wrote: > > > Several people now have pointed out the camera on Ebay that's the size > of a sugar cube (though it turns out to be the wrong shape to fit in > cybiedad's scanner model) If that is what's out there now, then it > seems as though we're maybe a couple of years away from having s camera > that would fit in the housing, at least insofar as the lens part. > > However, what is it that's actually meant here? Would that be just > having a lens assembly that would fit in the housing, but having to wear > a transmitter and/or power source clipped to your belt? Do you have a > primitive black and white picture? Do you have a good quality color > picture, but no sound? > > I'm sure most Probe/Search fans' ultimate wish list would be a fully > functional scanner as seen in the show. That's what we all want to know > about. I know there must be people here who are electronics engineers > and who know the state of the art and what we can expect a few years > down the road. I'm deeply curious about this and I know I must not be > the only one. > > So let's consider this as the basics for a workable scanner: > > A movie camera with acceptable quality color picture > (Zoom optional), microphone (acceptable quality sound), > plus transmitter and power supply...all self-contained > and able to fit in a housing roughly the size of a quarter, > half-dollar at the most (maybe the half-dollar size has the > zoom mode?) > > I figure we are much closer to this as a reality today than we were > when we first saw this portrayed on a certain TV show 30+ years ago, > and that it will probably be LESS than 30 years before we might > actually hold one in our hands, maybe even use it the way those of us > who have camcorders use them now. > > OK, techies, let's hear from you. How long do you think before a > completely functional scanner can be bought at the local department > store or Radio Shack...or even off Ebay? 3087 From: "cybiedad" Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:57pm Subject: camera in Scanner cybiedad Hi, Here are some picture I took the other day of a Camera with CR2030 type Battery next to Wax Scanner body. It might all fit in ring mounted Scanner (if the ring is hollowed out/Scanner fixed to it) A momentary switch on would be on the ring to save battery power. I tried coiling the antenna, still worrks but range is diminished. Hopefully 2 CR2032s could power the rig but have not tested it yet...stay tuned for further adventures... http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/camerascanner.jpg In ref to the discussions on power sources of the show Scanner, and please take all of this with a very large grain of salt; Since the scanner is a planar construction and the bottom visible layer is a creamic thick film substrate with all of the chips mounted on the surface, it is possible to power it with an atomic pacemaker type of battery. This could explain why the scanner is thick. In contrast, to power the Scanner off of brodcasted or directional RF power would require someone in a van with a generator and antenna follow the Probe agent closely. But if they could remotely power it...COOL! Also it seems that interefernce and signal processing that is hinted to has more to do with a lone Scanner transmitter. But it is all Hollywood.. some fact/some fiction that can inspire reality! One last thing, is there any for to see the Search episodes? I only have the PROBE pilot recorded in '88 off air an a dim and distant memory of the series? Thanks 3088 From: "trava785l" Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:47pm Subject: What is a blog? trava785l I found this url surfing, http://blogs.ardice.com But can someone explain to me what a blog is? - Trava785l 3089 From: bob.greenberger@... Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:32pm Subject: Re: What is a blog? bobgrnbrgr Offline Send Email Blogs have evolved into many things but they are, essentially, on line diaries for public consumption. The most personal are those by individuals at web sites such as LiveJournal and Blogger. Several people use the blog format for their personal web sites, such as www.bobgreenberger.com. Many use the blog format to post news and information on any subject known to man. The power of the media/political blogs has been demonstrated with a speed and power heretofore unknown on the Internet. Other blog sites are communal and once you register/sign up, are allowed to post and just about all allow for comments/reactions to the post itself. -- Bob 3090 From: "David Paleg" Date: Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:58pm Subject: Re: What is a blog? dpaleg Bob, I think Trava785l already knows what a blog is. The first page of the web site he mentioned says, "A blog is a journal or diary that you can get feedback." The question was also posted on a Mission: Impossible Yahoo Group word for word, but under a different user name, Ed299f. I think the moron is spamming several groups to promote his own website. David 3091 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:33pm Subject: RE: scanner tech & teeth pulling exercise gfwillmetts Hello Morningstar I think 5 years is an under-estimate. Look how fast technology is evolving. Would you have thought of camera phones 5 years back?? Now they're commonplace. Hello cybiedad Do you have a less robotic name we can call you?? I always put the depth of the scanner down to the amount of tech it was carrying. Considering the amount of time was taken with ComStats keeping tabs on the scanner I doubt if a small battery would make any. If you want an example from the series, then Bianco being abducted is the best one. Once Control realigned the satellite, they immediately locked in on his earjack. Here's something to speculate on. We saw what appeared to be the earjack taken out of Bianco in another episode and it looks like a small battery. Maybe it was. If you wanted to stop something working like that, it would be the quickest way. Before anyone says I didn't like the idea of batteries, this baby would be recharged by microwave in a similar way that induction coils are used to charge electric toothbrush batteries. Speaking of such gadgets. The nearest thing we have to it on the box these days is 'Alias'. Anyone figured how the CIA can communicate with their officers across the world like they do?? Mind you, they're probably using the same software as what makes mobile phones work. Oh, anyone wanting a tooth implant done then I'm quite happy to pull teeth. Just so you can enjoy the experience, I won't use anaesthetic. :-o :-) Gotta go Geoff 3092 From: actingman@... Date: Wed Mar 23, 2005 0:04am Subject: RE: scanner tech & teeth pulling exercise actingman_jc They were not consistent though. In that same Bianco episode (Let Us Prey) they say they are still getting telemetry, even though they later learn they are searching in the wrong hemisphere. 1) They can't triangulate on the source of the telemetry? 2) The receiver is sending out telemetry? Same thing in Ends Of The Earth, Bianco is in Africa...his scanner is somewhere else, and yet he is sending dental beeps to Control...but they can't zero in on the beep signals? I think part of the rationale of dumbing down the capabilities of the equipment as the show went along was that it may have proved too dificult to do the standard kind of stuff that would happen in other mystery/action shows. Leslie Stevens used hearing loss twice so the agent (Lockwood) could be jumped from behind. As the show went on, the scanner no longer sensed vitals off presence. Although I think it was just as interesting in Moonrock when Lockwood is warned the killer is still in the mountain cabin...but he doesn't know where. The trick in that working was that Miraz (sic) attacked before Control could give Lockwood a direction. I also thought it was a good balance in Murrow where the scanner in the dark, led Lockwood out of the room, without having to fight, and yet in another scene he does have to fight. You got both. I would like to ask the writers on the list if they think Mr. Stevens put too many capabilites into the equipment to allow writers to come up with problems the agents had to solve on their own, as well as the suspense element the genre required at the time. On the issue of powering the equipment: beaming microwaves would have to be pretty focused to reach the agent out in the field, I would think. And what about cooking the agent? That is another problem I have with the idea that the earjack is sending out telemetry...and I guess now that I think about it...also a problem I have with the dental transmitter....and I guess with the scanner as well. Damn. In our (so-called) real world, we think there is damage done with the cell phone antenna so close to the head. How are all those Search transmitters not doing damage? That is also a thought that is always in the back of my mind when watching 24th Century Trek episodes. The comm badges are right over their hearts? (Well...I guess if they can have Heisenberg Compensators, the badges can be on some frequency that sends out such powerful signals...but doesn't petrify the heart.) So what is Search's excuse? -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Willmetts Sent: Mar 22, 2005 6:33 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [probe_control] scanner tech & teeth pulling exercise I always put the depth of the scanner down to the amount of tech it was carrying. Considering the amount of time was taken with ComStats keeping tabs on the scanner I doubt if a small battery would make any. If you want an example from the series, then Bianco being abducted is the best one. Once Control realigned the satellite, they immediately locked in on his earjack. Here's something to speculate on. We saw what appeared to be the earjack taken out of Bianco in another episode and it looks like a small battery. Maybe it was. If you wanted to stop something working like that, it would be the quickest way. Before anyone says I didn't like the idea of batteries, this baby would be recharged by microwave in a similar way that induction coils are used to charge electric toothbrush batteries. 3093 From: "cybiedad" Date: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:39am Subject: 1970s vintage technology cybiedad Hello, Remember the era, it was a big deal to put "things" on a chip. Bell Labs then Fairchild was putting a camera on a chip. Ferranti put a radio receiver on a chip and then there were LED watches! AND...it was a calculator on a chip ($150.00) and a computer on a chip ($200.00)! http://www.thebest.net/wuggy/mk484.htm http://www.bell-labs.com/news/1999/september/20/1.html http://www.ingenious.org.uk/See/Scienceandtechnology/Timemeasurement/?target=See\ Medium&ObjectID={EB7E1ADD-F012-8CAC-C12D-0CA943084824}&viewby=images http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/company/history/calcchip.shtml http://uk.geocities.com/magoos_universe/4004_main.htm P.S. I really am Cybie Dad http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtm\ l/search-bool.html&r=5&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=filo&s2=walking&OS=filo+AND+wa\ lking&RS=filo+AND+walking check out the video link at the bottom for my 8 minutes of fame ;) (Search is such great techno Irony...) Breifing tapes up, Channels clear, Run please.. http://www.g4tv.com/techtvvault/features/31674/iCybie_Robotic_Dog.html 3094 From: "Morningstar" Date: Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:01am Subject: Re: scanner tech & teeth pulling exercise am2star I think that you are mixing the technology a bit. Please take no offense, and it has been thirty years for me, too. The receiver is in the agents head, behind the ear. It probably doesn't consume much power at all. A crystal radio uses the signals that are present and consumes no power. The receiver might function similarly. The dental contacts might use dis-similar metals and power a small simple transmitter. That way, the agent wouldn't be exposed to constant transmissions, and would seldom need to replace whatever power source might be used. Now, the scanner is a different critter. It could transmit like a celullar telephone, with little effect on the agent. Plus, the scanner would have all the necessary functions that consume power. The scanner would be repaired, recharged, replaced at the end of assignment. Kind of like a debriefing. Just my idea, trying to make the technology work. Tony --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, actingman@m... wrote: > They were not consistent though. In that same Bianco episode (Let Us Prey) they say they are still getting telemetry, even though they later learn they are searching in the wrong hemisphere. > > 1) They can't triangulate on the source of the telemetry? > 2) The receiver is sending out telemetry? > > Same thing in Ends Of The Earth, Bianco is in Africa...his scanner is somewhere else, and yet he is sending dental beeps to Control...but they can't zero in on the beep signals? > > I think part of the rationale of dumbing down the capabilities of the equipment as the show went along was that it may have proved too dificult to do the standard kind of stuff that would happen in other mystery/action shows. Leslie Stevens used hearing loss twice so the agent (Lockwood) could be jumped from behind. > > As the show went on, the scanner no longer sensed vitals off presence. > > Although I think it was just as interesting in Moonrock when Lockwood is warned the killer is still in the mountain cabin...but he doesn't know where. The trick in that working was that Miraz (sic) attacked before Control could give Lockwood a direction. > > I also thought it was a good balance in Murrow where the scanner in the dark, led Lockwood out of the room, without having to fight, and yet in another scene he does have to fight. You got both. > > I would like to ask the writers on the list if they think Mr. Stevens put too many capabilites into the equipment to allow writers to come up with problems the agents had to solve on their own, as well as the suspense element the genre required at the time. > > On the issue of powering the equipment: beaming microwaves would have to be pretty focused to reach the agent out in the field, I would think. > > And what about cooking the agent? That is another problem I have with the idea that the earjack is sending out telemetry...and I guess now that I think about it...also a problem I have with the dental transmitter....and I guess with the scanner as well. Damn. In our (so-called) real world, we think there is damage done with the cell phone antenna so close to the head. How are all those Search transmitters not doing damage? > > That is also a thought that is always in the back of my mind when watching 24th Century Trek episodes. The comm badges are right over their hearts? (Well...I guess if they can have Heisenberg Compensators, the badges can be on some frequency that sends out such powerful signals...but doesn't petrify the heart.) > > So what is Search's excuse? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Willmetts > Sent: Mar 22, 2005 6:33 PM > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [probe_control] scanner tech & teeth pulling exercise > > I always put the depth of the scanner down to the amount of tech it was > carrying. Considering the amount of time was taken with ComStats keeping > tabs on the scanner I doubt if a small battery would make any. If you want > an example from the series, then Bianco being abducted is the best one. Once > Control realigned the satellite, they immediately locked in on his earjack. > Here's something to speculate on. We saw what appeared to be the earjack > taken out of Bianco in another episode and it looks like a small battery. > Maybe it was. If you wanted to stop something working like that, it would be > the quickest way. Before anyone says I didn't like the idea of batteries, > this baby would be recharged by microwave in a similar way that induction > coils are used to charge electric toothbrush batteries. 3095 From: "KatHevin" Date: Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:02am Subject: Re: 1970s vintage technology bstiffle Well, CybieDad - the video is way cool - but I REALLY need the cat version! ^ ^ . . > o < ~ Billie ----- Original Message ----- From: cybiedad To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: [probe_control] 1970s vintage technology Hello, P.S. I really am Cybie Dad http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtm\ l/search-bool.html&r=5&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=filo&s2=walking&OS=filo+AND+wa\ lking&RS=filo+AND+walking check out the video link at the bottom for my 8 minutes of fame ;) (Search is such great techno Irony...) Breifing tapes up, Channels clear, Run please.. http://www.g4tv.com/techtvvault/features/31674/iCybie_Robotic_Dog.html 3096 From: "Jimmy Keary" Date: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:06am Subject: Jimmy from Ireland jimmy_keary Hello everyone I'm Jimmy from Ireland. We saw Search Control here in late 1973 and early 1974. My favourite character was C.R.Grover, played by Doug McClure, but his character didn't seem to feature in many stories. I liked Doug McClure in everything he did. I am also a big Mission:Impossible fan. If anyone is interested, I have just started a Mission:Impossible fan group. The link is: http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/ImpossibleMissionsForce/ Regards Jimmy 3097 From: Date: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:13pm Subject: Hello, Jimmy! probecontrol >... Hello everyone. I'm Jimmy from Ireland. We saw Search Control here in late 1973 and early 1974. My favourite character was C.R.Grover, played by Doug McClure, but his character didn't seem to feature in many stories. I liked Doug McClure in everything he did. I am also a big Mission:Impossible fan. If anyone is interested, I have just started a Mission:Impossible fan group. The link is: http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/ImpossibleMissionsForce/ ============================= Hello, Jimmy! Thanks for writing, and sharing your memories with us! I think C.R. was always *my* favorite, as well. ;) I love Mission: Impossible too, so I'll be checking out your fan group. :) Jim(mie) Alexander 3098 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:41pm Subject: RE: waving scanners gfwillmetts Hello John ye Actingman. Re: Let Us Prey. Considering the broadband of signals that Control picked up as witnessed in the pilot episode, they were probably getting enough ghost signal to know that Bianco was still alive but not precisely where. You’ve got me on ‘Ends Of The Earth’ cos I haven’t got the episode. Applying laws of self-consistency, it just goes to show the TV scanner isn’t needed to transmit a signal back to Control. Again, Lockwood did the same thing in the pilot in the hotel restaurant. As with all first seasons, writers brought in to write scripts had to work their own way with what they were given. You make a character too powerful and you have to put in weaknesses to reduce the omnipotent factor or why else do some super-heroes (Hi Bob) have some silly weaknesses like homeworld rock and custard yellow. This is why I tend to think looking at the series Bible might give us all a better insight to what went on. As to the capabilities of the equipment. Speaking for myself, they weren’t always used effectively but no one got as far as deux ex machina them with new capabilities to get the out of a jam with the possible exception when Lockwood was drowning but even that was hinted at in the pilot when Gloria threatened to melt his earjack. A bigger question might be posed to whether had ‘Search’ reached a second series would they have expanded the devices capabilities?? As to microwaves. It’s a pretty vague term. Not all of them are at the same wavelength as your microwave oven. Current mobile telephones tend to share a wide length. Short bursts don’t hurt too much with them but continual ones might, especially if they’re left on in your trousers. Bear in mind also, John, that Cameron always reminded the Probes just how much money their gadgets cost. The last thing they want is a dead Probe. Hello Tony ye Morningstar Nice thoughts. That would provide sufficient power trickle for comstat to boost up. Gotta go Geoff 3099 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:41am Subject: OT: Sad MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE news for our new friend Jimmy probecontrol The below was posted on the Yahoo INVADERS list. Thanks-- Jim Alexander ==================================== ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:08:34 -0000 > Subject: R.I.P. Jason Evers (1922-2005) > > > Actor Jason Evers passed away on 13 March 2005. > He was a recurring guest on "Mission: Impossible" in episodes > such as: > "The Mind of Stefan Miklos" (season 3) as CIA officer/Soviet > mole > Walter Townsend > "The Double Circle" (season 4) as hitman Ray Dunson > "Blind" (season 6) as mob executive Carl Dietrich > "The Question" (season 7) as FIS agent Ben Nelson > Fans of "Star Trek" will remember him in a season 3 episode > titled: "Wink of an Eye". > Evers also appeared five times in another Bruce Geller > series: > "Mannix". > For the anecdote, he played in one episode of "The Invaders" > written by IMF Laurence Heath: "Condition: Red", as > brainwashed US Air Force officer Dan Keller. 3100 From: yorktowncmdr@... Date: Sat Mar 26, 2005 0:47pm Subject: Re: OT: Sad MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE news for our new friend Jimmy worldsecanalyst Jim, Thanks for the posting about Jason Evers. I've liked him in the few shows I've watched featuring him. I will add he guested in "The Fantastic Journey" series as an Atlantean. David 3101 From: "drjeffreyp" Date: Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:35pm Subject: Re: OT: Sad MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE news for our new friend Jimmy drjeffreyp Jason Evers was also in The Guns of Will Sonnett. He played Walter Brennan's son and Dack Rambo's father - and infamous gunfighter named ???. Brennan and Rambo were on a search for him - it's famous line, "no brag, just fact." Usually said by Brennan as he pointed out to the bad guys that though old, he was probably still faster than them. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, yorktowncmdr@a... wrote: > Jim, > > Thanks for the posting about Jason Evers. I've liked him in the few shows > I've watched featuring him. I will add he guested in "The Fantastic Journey" > series as an Atlantean. > > David 3102 From: "Morningstar" Date: Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:56am Subject: Re: OT: Sad MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE news for our new friend Jimmy am2star I have been catching "The Guns of Will Sonnett" and I do like it. It was a nice family western. Jason Evers played Jim Sonnett, father of Jeff Sonnett (Dack Rambo) and son of Will Sonnett (Walter Brennan). If you get a chance, check it out. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "drjeffreyp" wrote: > > > Jason Evers was also in The Guns of Will Sonnett. He played Walter > Brennan's son and Dack Rambo's father - and infamous gunfighter > named ???. > Brennan and Rambo were on a search for him - it's famous line, "no > brag, just fact." Usually said by Brennan as he pointed out to the bad > guys that though old, he was probably still faster than them. > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, yorktowncmdr@a... wrote: > > Jim, > > > > Thanks for the posting about Jason Evers. I've liked him in the few > shows > > I've watched featuring him. I will add he guested in "The Fantastic > Journey" > > series as an Atlantean. > > > > David 3103 From: Date: Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:19am Subject: Re: OT: Sad MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE news for our new friend Jimmy actingman_jc Who's running it? > >Subject: [probe_control] Re: OT: Sad MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE news for our new friend Jimmy > From: "Morningstar" > Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:56:47 -0000 > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > > > >I have been catching "The Guns of Will Sonnett" and I do like it. It >was a nice family western. Jason Evers played Jim Sonnett, father of >Jeff Sonnett (Dack Rambo) and son of Will Sonnett (Walter Brennan). > >If you get a chance, check it out. 3104 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:22am Subject: OT: The Guns of Will Sonnett probecontrol actingman wrote: > Who's running (The Guns of Will Sonnett? ============= I wuz kind'a wondering that, myself. ;) Jim Alexander 3105 From: "cybiedad" Date: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:44am Subject: Scanner on the air cybiedad Hello, Here are some pictures of the Scanner Proto in progress http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/videotest.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/testrig.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/lensoff.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/decals.jpg This proto was built using the PCB plate and the IC Frame from the milled Scanner parts. The Lens assembly is off of the camera. The Camera PCB fits perfectly behind the Scanner PCB plate! The Lens Fits perfectly in the IC Frame! The Antenna is coiled between the Camera's PCB and the PCB plate. Still tryin' to stuff 2 oz. of stuff into a 1 oz. bag! 3106 From: Martin Parrott Date: Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:06am Subject: Re: [probe] Scanner on the air parrott76262 cybiedad wrote: > > Hello, > > Here are some pictures of the Scanner Proto in progress > > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/videotest.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/testrig.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/lensoff.jpg > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/decals.jpg > > This proto was built using the PCB plate and the IC Frame from the > milled Scanner parts. The Lens assembly is off of the camera. The > Camera PCB fits perfectly behind the Scanner PCB plate! The Lens Fits > perfectly in the IC Frame! The Antenna is coiled between the Camera's > PCB and the PCB plate. Still tryin' to stuff 2 oz. of stuff into a 1 > oz. bag! Absolutely fantastic. Don't stop now! Martin 3107 From: "cybiedad" Date: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:38pm Subject: Scanner Bling cybiedad Hello, Gold Powder arrived yesterday. Here is a sample pull from the mill mold. Has a good metallic finish. Next step is to make a mold from the wet sanded parts. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scannerbling.jpg 3108 From: Date: Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:22am Subject: Re: Scanner Bling probecontrol Thanks for the cool picture, cybiedad!!! I was wondering what this was going to look like in 'gold'! :) Now I know. Looking forward to more shots when they come. Thanks a lot-- and REALLY GREAT work, by the way! Jim Alexander ======================================== >Hello, > >Gold Powder arrived yesterday. Here is a sample pull from the mill >mold. Has a good metallic finish. Next step is to make a mold from >the wet sanded parts. > >http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/cybiedad/scannerbling.jp g 3109 From: "Mike" Date: Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:30am Subject: Re: Scanner Bling kc8nqa Hello ALL, Excellent work cybiedad, Thanks for the pics and keeping us updated on your progress. Looking forward to seeing the end result. Also I was wondering if you are going to do the Agent Ring? Have A GREAT Day ALL! :) kc8nqa --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > Thanks for the cool picture, cybiedad!!! I was wondering > what this was going to look like in 'gold'! :) Now I know. > > Looking forward to more shots when they come. Thanks a lot-- > and REALLY GREAT work, by the way! > > Jim Alexander > > ======================================== 3110 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:42am Subject: Whoops probecontrol Whoops. Sorry. Didn't mean for that last e-mail to Mike to hit the list. I was waiting for the first time that I typed probe_control@yahoogroups.com instead of probecontrol@.... and that was it. ;) JimAlexander 3111 From: "galacticprobe" Date: Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:10pm Subject: Probe Control Console (buttons, lights, & things) galacticprobe --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > So please, discuss away...we are genre people here...the genre of the fictional works, the genre of the film production people, the genre of the performers, and the genre of the craftspeople. > > Wish I knew how to make some of the Probe Control consoles. From the carpentry needed to the wiring of the flashing lights...no clue. Greetings, All, There are several types of (lighted) switches used on the Probe Control consoles. You can get a decent look at the main ones (mainly the black bezel ones) in the Quicktime clip of the third Probe Control set when Harris starts programming. A good look at another type with a chrome bezel is in "Numb014.jpg" (of "Numbered for Death" in the episode images page of the site). One type (with the black bezel) is available through Ductech. Check out the web site: http://www.ductech.com/. (Go to "Lighted Products".) You'd need to remove the label insert to expose the clear lens so all the light comes through, instead of just through the lettering. Another type is the more flush-mount with the chrome bezel. These were (I think) also used for the fast flashing indicators on the side wings of Cameron's & Keach's consoles, since that style of "button" came in a variety of configurations: push-push, momentary, simple lighted indicator (idiot light)... At one time the chrome-bezel switches were made by a company called Unimax (http://www.unimaxswitch.com). Unimax still exists, but no longer makes those switches as far as I could see. (If anyone on the list is familiar with the Coast Guard's 270-class ships' original COMDAC system, its consoles & equipment racks were full of both kinds. In fact, when the red lights were on in CIC, I always referred to it as "Probe Control". Surprisingly – maybe not – no one had a clue as to what I meant. And strangely enough, my second 270 had changed out the red lights in favor of blue. That had the same effect on me as when they changed Probe Control in "Search". It just didn't look or feel right.) There are some other types of switches used: small round button, large raised square button, small raised square button. Some are seen in the close-ups of the console monitors like in "Hit024.jpg" from "The 24 Carat Hit". Most of those should be available at any large electronic supply store. Bring the bankroll – with more than 80 switches on just the main part of the consoles, & those Unimax/Ductech switches going for $5.00+ a pop, having to build 6 consoles... & don't forget about the special sockets these switches plug into, which is how all the wiring is connected. Then (speaking 70's technology) there's what looks like a VAX terminal keyboard on the desk portion below the small monitor. O.K., enough of the wet blanketness. (I for one think this would be a ultra-fun, yet time-consuming project!) End Run, Dino 3112 From: Date: Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:01pm Subject: Probe Control Console (buttons, lights, & things) probecontrol Offline Send Email Dino! What a fascinating run-down of some of the console intricacies! I'm gonna enjoy checking out some of those URL's you supplied! Thanks-- Jim Alexander ================================================= ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:10:41 -0000 >From: "galacticprobe" >Subject: [probe_control] Probe Control Console (buttons, lights, & things) >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > > > >--- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > >> So please, discuss away...we are genre people here...the genre of >the fictional works, the genre of the film production people, the >genre of the performers, and the genre of the craftspeople. >> >> Wish I knew how to make some of the Probe Control consoles. From >the carpentry needed to the wiring of the flashing lights...no clue. > > >Greetings, All, > There are several types of (lighted) switches used on the Probe >Control consoles. You can get a decent look at the main ones (mainly >the black bezel ones) in the Quicktime clip of the third Probe >Control set when Harris starts programming. A good look at another >type with a chrome bezel is in "Numb014.jpg" (of >"Numbered for Death" in the episode images page of the site). > One type (with the black bezel) is available through Ductech. >Check out the web site: http://www.ductech.com/. (Go to "Lighted >Products".) You'd need to remove the label insert to expose the >clear lens so all the light comes through, instead of just through >the lettering. Another type is the more flush-mount with the chrome >bezel. These were (I think) also used for the fast flashing >indicators on the side wings of Cameron's & Keach's consoles, >since that style of "button" came in a variety of >configurations: push-push, momentary, simple lighted indicator (idiot >light)... At one time the chrome-bezel switches were made by a >company called Unimax (http://www.unimaxswitch.com). Unimax still >exists, but no longer makes those switches as far as I could see. (If >anyone on the list is familiar with the Coast Guard's 270- class >ships' original COMDAC system, its consoles & equipment racks >were full of both kinds. In fact, when the red lights were on in CIC, >I always referred to it as "Probe Control". Surprisingly – >maybe not – no one had a clue as to what I meant. And strangely >enough, my second 270 had changed out the red lights in favor of >blue. That had the same effect on me as when they changed Probe >Control in "Search". It just didn't look or feel right.) > There are some other types of switches used: small round button, >large raised square button, small raised square button. Some are seen >in the close-ups of the console monitors like in "Hit024.jpg" >from "The 24 Carat Hit". Most of those should be available at >any large electronic supply store. Bring the bankroll – with more >than 80 switches on just the main part of the consoles, & those >Unimax/Ductech switches going for $5.00+ a pop, having to build 6 >consoles... & don't forget about the special sockets these >switches plug into, which is how all the wiring is connected. Then >(speaking 70's technology) there's what looks like a VAX >terminal keyboard on the desk portion below the small monitor. > O.K., enough of the wet blanketness. (I for one think this would >be a ultra-fun, yet time-consuming project!) > >End Run, >Dino