3434 From: "Mike" Date: Sun Jan 1, 2006 8:05am Subject: Antenna, Scanner Color, Happy New Year. kc8nqa Hello All, I hope everyone had a Great Christmas. On a subject several post ago. I have also had the same thought Dino mentioned about the Magnet in the Scanner and the role it would play not only to serve as a means to attach it to the different locations the Probe agents do, but also as Dino stated - a means of power and or maybe anntena. Here is a link to some pretty small anntena: http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/Chip-antenna/p/2000000003844/3000000149681/s\ m/1000684184.htm I looked at some other very tiny coil type anntena sometime ago.They appear to small enough to fit in a Scanner. http://www.fractenna.com/index.html On another subject, I have been considering why the circuit board looks like it is different colors in the different shots of it through the series. One reason would be the obvious one - there were different Scanners - The Hero and some (Work Horses) but one would think that when they were made, that the boards were all one color? The second thing is that the film stock changes color over time. The last is the lighting conditions it was filmed under. I made a quick test on the Scanner Color, using the different settings on my Camcoder. I went throught the various modes (Action, Portrait, Indoor, Outdoor), then I used the Night Shot W/O the IR light, also used B/W. It was under Hologen, Florecent and regular Incondesent lighting. If I'm not mistaken, it also appears to me that the shape seems to look different in the different angles, maybe it's just me? If anyone wants to have a look: http://home.comcast.net/~toestub/ScannerComp.mpg It's about 19 Meg, might take a minute to load. I'm not sure how long I will be able to host the clip, I'll keep it there as long as I can. Feel free to download it. Have A Great Day All, Happy and Safe New Year! kc8nqa, Mike S. 3435 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Mon Jan 2, 2006 4:44am Subject: Re: Antenna, Scanner Color, Happy New Year. probecontrol Mike wrote: > I made a quick test on the Scanner Color, using the different settings on > my Camcoder. I went throught the various modes (Action, Portrait, Indoor, > Outdoor), then I used the Night Shot W/O the IR light, also used B/W. It > was under Hologen, Florecent and regular Incondesent lighting. > > If I'm not mistaken, it also appears to me that the shape seems to look > different in the different angles, maybe it's just me? > > If anyone wants to have a look: > > http://home.comcast.net/~toestub/ScannerComp.mpg > > It's about 19 Meg, might take a minute to load. > ===================== Interesting stuff, Mike. The music playing under the video is worth the price of admission, alone. ;) Where did it come from? Jim Alexander 3436 From: "Mike" Date: Mon Jan 2, 2006 5:42am Subject: Re: Antenna, Scanner Color, Happy New Year. kc8nqa Hello Jim, and ALL, I hope that it's ok that the background theme came from here, the Probecontrol Site, I have been using it for one of my ring tones on my cell. Downloaded it sometime ago, I think from Files/ Sound Files. It was a midi - I converted it to Wav for the clip. Sorry bout the quality, I kinda just threw it together. I was gonna put ending credits but it woulda made the file bigger and more work. Good Day ALL. Mike S. :) --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Alexander" wrote: > > Mike wrote: > > I made a quick test on the Scanner Color, using the different settings on > > my Camcoder. I went throught the various modes (Action, Portrait, Indoor, > > Outdoor), then I used the Night Shot W/O the IR light, also used B/W. It > > was under Hologen, Florecent and regular Incondesent lighting. > > > > If I'm not mistaken, it also appears to me that the shape seems to look > > different in the different angles, maybe it's just me? > > > > If anyone wants to have a look: > > > > http://home.comcast.net/~toestub/ScannerComp.mpg > > > > It's about 19 Meg, might take a minute to load. > > > ===================== > Interesting stuff, Mike. The music playing under the video is worth the > price of admission, alone. ;) Where did it come from? > > Jim Alexander > 3437 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Thu Jan 5, 2006 4:23am Subject: Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service dghprobe3 Hi folks: Warner Brothers, the studio that made SEARCH, is planning a new Internet service involving the many old series they have in their vaults. This may turn out to be the best chance SEARCH could have to see the 'broadcast' light of day in the US for the first time since 1973. Can anyone find out more about this service? Thanks. ----------------------------------- http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php? t=278405&goto=nextnewest http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/business/14warner.html? pagewanted=print Looking for "The Fugitive?" Didn't get enough "Eight Is Enough?" Would you like to "Welcome Back, Kotter" one more time? Warner Brothers is preparing a major new Internet service that will let fans watch full episodes from more than 100 old television series. The service, called In2TV, will be free, supported by advertising, and will start early next year. More than 4,800 episodes will be made available online in the first year. The move will give Warner a way to reap new advertising revenue from a huge trove of old programming that is not widely syndicated. Programs on In2TV will have one to two minutes of commercials for each half-hour episode, compared with eight minutes in a standard broadcast. The Internet commercials cannot be skipped. America Online, which is making a broad push into Internet video, will distribute the service on its Web portal. Both it and Warner Brothers are Time Warner units. An enhanced version of the service will use peer-to-peer file-sharing technology to get the video data to viewers. Warner, with 800 television programs in its library, says it is the largest TV syndicator. It wants to use the Internet to reach viewers rather than depend on the whims of cable networks and local TV stations, said Eric Frankel, the president of Warner Brothers' domestic cable distribution division. (More at links.) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/b...agewanted=print 3438 From: "Mike" Date: Thu Jan 5, 2006 8:16am Subject: Re: Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service kc8nqa Wow, that sounds Great, They plan on starting with 100 but states they have 800 different Series. I wonder if that means they are planning on making them ALL availible? If they have the Search Series and they plan on making them availible, that would mean they would also most likely have the ever sought after 'Ends of The Earth'. Intriguing Indeed. Thanks for the Info. Good Day All, Mike S --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "dghprobe3" wrote: > > Hi folks: Warner Brothers, the studio that made SEARCH, is planning > a new Internet service involving the many old series they have in > their vaults. This may turn out to be the best chance SEARCH could > have to see the 'broadcast' light of day in the US for the first time > since 1973. Can anyone find out more about this service? Thanks. > ----------------------------------- > > http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php? > t=278405&goto=nextnewest > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/business/14warner.html? > pagewanted=print > > Looking for "The Fugitive?" Didn't get enough "Eight Is Enough?" > Would you like to "Welcome Back, Kotter" one more time? > > Warner Brothers is preparing a major new Internet service that will > let fans watch full episodes from more than 100 old television > series. The service, called In2TV, will be free, supported by > advertising, and will start early next year. More than 4,800 episodes > will be made available online in the first year. > > The move will give Warner a way to reap new advertising revenue from > a huge trove of old programming that is not widely syndicated. > > Programs on In2TV will have one to two minutes of commercials for > each half-hour episode, compared with eight minutes in a standard > broadcast. The Internet commercials cannot be skipped. > > America Online, which is making a broad push into Internet video, > will distribute the service on its Web portal. Both it and Warner > Brothers are Time Warner units. An enhanced version of the service > will use peer-to-peer file-sharing technology to get the video data > to viewers. > > Warner, with 800 television programs in its library, says it is the > largest TV syndicator. It wants to use the Internet to reach viewers > rather than depend on the whims of cable networks and local TV > stations, said Eric Frankel, the president of Warner Brothers' > domestic cable distribution division. (More at links.) > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/b...agewanted=print > 3439 From: "Brooks, Brooks, Brooks, Brooks Cook, Cook, Cook, Cook" Date: Thu Jan 5, 2006 2:14pm Subject: Re: Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service brooksatphoenix Nice find, Don! If anyone does find out something, maybe we can do a "massive" letter writing campaign - well, as massive as the probe control yahoo group can be considered "massive", anyway :) WB may not have clue one that there's any interest at all. A few whiny letters from us may just be the thing that has them dust off the Search library. We could even send them a link to the wonderfully put together site. That would show them the level of interest. Brooks dghprobe3 wrote: Hi folks: Warner Brothers, the studio that made SEARCH, is planning a new Internet service involving the many old series they have in their vaults. This may turn out to be the best chance SEARCH could have to see the 'broadcast' light of day in the US for the first time since 1973. Can anyone find out more about this service? Thanks. ----------------------------------- http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php? t=278405&goto=nextnewest http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/business/14warner.html? pagewanted=print Looking for "The Fugitive?" Didn't get enough "Eight Is Enough?" Would you like to "Welcome Back, Kotter" one more time? Warner Brothers is preparing a major new Internet service that will let fans watch full episodes from more than 100 old television series. The service, called In2TV, will be free, supported by advertising, and will start early next year. More than 4,800 episodes will be made available online in the first year. The move will give Warner a way to reap new advertising revenue from a huge trove of old programming that is not widely syndicated. Programs on In2TV will have one to two minutes of commercials for each half-hour episode, compared with eight minutes in a standard broadcast. The Internet commercials cannot be skipped. America Online, which is making a broad push into Internet video, will distribute the service on its Web portal. Both it and Warner Brothers are Time Warner units. An enhanced version of the service will use peer-to-peer file-sharing technology to get the video data to viewers. Warner, with 800 television programs in its library, says it is the largest TV syndicator. It wants to use the Internet to reach viewers rather than depend on the whims of cable networks and local TV stations, said Eric Frankel, the president of Warner Brothers' domestic cable distribution division. (More at links.) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/b...agewanted=print 3440 From: Boat106@... Date: Thu Jan 5, 2006 6:29pm Subject: Re: Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service medic2005200... I think it's a great idea to have "Search" and other tv shows on the tv internet servicio' on one of the vaults as long as they can have at least a couple of eppys with network tv commercials in it. Just a thought Rick 3441 From: actingman@... Date: Thu Jan 5, 2006 6:19pm Subject: Re: Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service actingman_jc Let's also remember what Marta mentioned to us. Here is her email from awhile back: I sent the email message below to Actingman, and he suggested I post it to the list; I thought I'd already mentioned what I'd done, but I had not. I've abridged a little of it. The upshot is that if you'd like to see "Search" out on DVD, write a nice, detailed letter to Image Entertainment, asking them to release it. I put the idea before them, sometime last fall, and haven't heard anything on it yet. But, it can't hurt to start a campaign so here's the address. IMAGE ENTERTAINMENT INC DVD Sales & Services 20525 NORDHOFF ST # 200 CHATSWORTH, CA Here's the email: "I served as a consultant on the 1985 TZ DVD set, and Image took a few of the images off my site. We also sent some of our memorabilia to Image to use, but I'm not sure what if any they did use. When we went to LA in 2004, we had lunch with the production team and toured the facility, talked about the cover art and had a great time. I also put them in touch with Alan Brennert, though they would have found him eventually. But, I think that by getting Alan to them early in the planning, they were able to get a lot of people in there for the commentaries that they would not have had. Since Phil DeGuere has since passed away, it's a good thing the commentaries happened when they did. There will be an "In Memoriam" to Phil on the second season set. Wait till you hear the commentaries on the first season set. They're priceless, and almost worth the 20 year wait. You can let me know what you think. I also let Image know about Search being a series with a big fan base, and that like "Buck Rogers," which they also did, it would be perfect for a DVD release since it ran just one season. I haven't heard anything since then on Search, but you never know; I gave them the website address and told them there's an active group of fans out there that love the show and want to see it on DVD. I thought I posted something about it to the list when I did it, but it's been about a year, so I must not have. Between school and work my memory is shot. Image is dedicated to putting out TV series, and if they can get the rights they'll do it, and do it as it should be done. All five seasons of the Combat! release are a big seller, and they're hitting the top of the DVD charts; it's doing way more than Image thought it ever would, so they're more receptive to the more obscure series now. I've always said Hollywood doesn't do their research correctly, or not at all, when they look at releasing TV series. Steve and I both consulted on the Image Combat! set, and the first three or four seasons have an image gallery with the shots from our site. The fifth season will have a walkthrough of Franklin Canyon, where virtually all of the outdoors shooting was done, with several of the Combat! fans who live in LA and a film crew from Image. They've got all the shooting locations mapped out, and have spent years hunting down every camera angle from some of the shows. Most of the stuff on the Combat! sets came from fans, which is the way to release a series that has a big fan base. Image wanted to release a deluxe Night Gallery set, but Universal refused. The writers of the Night Gallery Companion book, who have every bit of trivia and memorabilia, were going to write the booklet, and open their archives to Image; they were going to bring in all the stars to do commentaries, the directors, everyone. We (the NG discussion list) were all devastated when Universal turned them down flat. And then, look at the garbage Universal put out on NG. The first season set cover is a jury-rigged picture of Rod, with some space graphics behind it, and the font is not even the distinctive NG font. No commentaries, no extras, nothing. It's criminal the way some of the these studios treat their series like unwanted hostages." Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com -----Original Message----- >From: "Brooks, Brooks, Brooks, Brooks Cook, Cook, Cook, Cook" >Sent: Jan 5, 2006 9:14 AM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service > >Nice find, Don! > > If anyone does find out something, maybe we can do a "massive" letter writing campaign - well, as massive as the probe control yahoo group can be considered "massive", anyway :) 3442 From: "Brooks, Brooks, Brooks, Brooks Cook, Cook, Cook, Cook" Date: Thu Jan 5, 2006 10:58pm Subject: Re: Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service brooksatphoenix Excellent post, Actingman! I'll dash off my letter over the weekend. It couldn't hurt. Brooks actingman@... wrote: Let's also remember what Marta mentioned to us. Here is her email from awhile back: I sent the email message below to Actingman, and he suggested I post it to the list; I thought I'd already mentioned what I'd done, but I had not. I've abridged a little of it. The upshot is that if you'd like to see "Search" out on DVD, write a nice, detailed letter to Image Entertainment, asking them to release it. I put the idea before them, sometime last fall, and haven't heard anything on it yet. But, it can't hurt to start a campaign so here's the address. IMAGE ENTERTAINMENT INC DVD Sales & Services 20525 NORDHOFF ST # 200 CHATSWORTH, CA Here's the email: "I served as a consultant on the 1985 TZ DVD set, and Image took a few of the images off my site. We also sent some of our memorabilia to Image to use, but I'm not sure what if any they did use. When we went to LA in 2004, we had lunch with the production team and toured the facility, talked about the cover art and had a great time. I also put them in touch with Alan Brennert, though they would have found him eventually. But, I think that by getting Alan to them early in the planning, they were able to get a lot of people in there for the commentaries that they would not have had. Since Phil DeGuere has since passed away, it's a good thing the commentaries happened when they did. There will be an "In Memoriam" to Phil on the second season set. Wait till you hear the commentaries on the first season set. They're priceless, and almost worth the 20 year wait. You can let me know what you think. I also let Image know about Search being a series with a big fan base, and that like "Buck Rogers," which they also did, it would be perfect for a DVD release since it ran just one season. I haven't heard anything since then on Search, but you never know; I gave them the website address and told them there's an active group of fans out there that love the show and want to see it on DVD. I thought I posted something about it to the list when I did it, but it's been about a year, so I must not have. Between school and work my memory is shot. Image is dedicated to putting out TV series, and if they can get the rights they'll do it, and do it as it should be done. All five seasons of the Combat! release are a big seller, and they're hitting the top of the DVD charts; it's doing way more than Image thought it ever would, so they're more receptive to the more obscure series now. I've always said Hollywood doesn't do their research correctly, or not at all, when they look at releasing TV series. Steve and I both consulted on the Image Combat! set, and the first three or four seasons have an image gallery with the shots from our site. The fifth season will have a walkthrough of Franklin Canyon, where virtually all of the outdoors shooting was done, with several of the Combat! fans who live in LA and a film crew from Image. They've got all the shooting locations mapped out, and have spent years hunting down every camera angle from some of the shows. Most of the stuff on the Combat! sets came from fans, which is the way to release a series that has a big fan base. Image wanted to release a deluxe Night Gallery set, but Universal refused. The writers of the Night Gallery Companion book, who have every bit of trivia and memorabilia, were going to write the booklet, and open their archives to Image; they were going to bring in all the stars to do commentaries, the directors, everyone. We (the NG discussion list) were all devastated when Universal turned them down flat. And then, look at the garbage Universal put out on NG. The first season set cover is a jury-rigged picture of Rod, with some space graphics behind it, and the font is not even the distinctive NG font. No commentaries, no extras, nothing. It's criminal the way some of the these studios treat their series like unwanted hostages." Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com -----Original Message----- >From: "Brooks, Brooks, Brooks, Brooks Cook, Cook, Cook, Cook" >Sent: Jan 5, 2006 9:14 AM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service > >Nice find, Don! > > If anyone does find out something, maybe we can do a "massive" letter writing campaign - well, as massive as the probe control yahoo group can be considered "massive", anyway :) 3443 From: "Michael Beacom" Date: Sat Jan 7, 2006 2:41pm Subject: Re: Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service anonimity_2003 They probably do not have a clue --- think of how amazed other fans of the show are that there is *anyone* else who loves Search. Most of the executives involved at Warners now probably were born the same year it came out or later. Michael Beacom mjbeacom@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Brooks, Brooks, Brooks, Brooks Cook, Cook, Cook, Cook To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/5/2006 11:17:48 AM Subject: Re: [probe_control] Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service Nice find, Don! If anyone does find out something, maybe we can do a "massive" letter writing campaign - well, as massive as the probe control yahoo group can be considered "massive", anyway :) WB may not have clue one that there's any interest at all. A few whiny letters from us may just be the thing that has them dust off the Search library. We could even send them a link to the wonderfully put together site. That would show them the level of interest. Brooks dghprobe3 wrote: Hi folks: Warner Brothers, the studio that made SEARCH, is planning a new Internet service involving the many old series they have in their vaults. This may turn out to be the best chance SEARCH could have to see the 'broadcast' light of day in the US for the first time since 1973. Can anyone find out more about this service? Thanks. ----------------------------------- http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php? t=278405&goto=nextnewest http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/business/14warner.html? pagewanted=print Looking for "The Fugitive?" Didn't get enough "Eight Is Enough?" Would you like to "Welcome Back, Kotter" one more time? Warner Brothers is preparing a major new Internet service that will let fans watch full episodes from more than 100 old television series. The service, called In2TV, will be free, supported by advertising, and will start early next year. More than 4,800 episodes will be made available online in the first year. The move will give Warner a way to reap new advertising revenue from a huge trove of old programming that is not widely syndicated. Programs on In2TV will have one to two minutes of commercials for each half-hour episode, compared with eight minutes in a standard broadcast. The Internet commercials cannot be skipped. America Online, which is making a broad push into Internet video, will distribute the service on its Web portal. Both it and Warner Brothers are Time Warner units. An enhanced version of the service will use peer-to-peer file-sharing technology to get the video data to viewers. Warner, with 800 television programs in its library, says it is the largest TV syndicator. It wants to use the Internet to reach viewers rather than depend on the whims of cable networks and local TV stations, said Eric Frankel, the president of Warner Brothers' domestic cable distribution division. (More at links.) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/14/b...agewanted=print 3444 From: "Michael Beacom" Date: Sat Jan 7, 2006 2:45pm Subject: Re: Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service anonimity_2003 The same can be said of the release of Kolchak: The Night Stalker. At least they kept the typewriter font on the top of the box set, but otherwise no extras. Fans have waited years for the set and what do they get? Discs that they could have made for themselves with digital cable and a DVD recorder/burner. Almost all of the contributors to Search are gone. If a Search DVD Set is going to get done even close to right, they need to get it done now. Michael Beacom mjbeacom@... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/5/2006 12:34:55 PM Subject: Re: [probe_control] Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service Let's also remember what Marta mentioned to us. Here is her email from awhile back: I sent the email message below to Actingman, and he suggested I post it to the list; I thought I'd already mentioned what I'd done, but I had not. I've abridged a little of it. The upshot is that if you'd like to see "Search" out on DVD, write a nice, detailed letter to Image Entertainment, asking them to release it. I put the idea before them, sometime last fall, and haven't heard anything on it yet. But, it can't hurt to start a campaign so here's the address. IMAGE ENTERTAINMENT INC DVD Sales & Services 20525 NORDHOFF ST # 200 CHATSWORTH, CA Here's the email: "I served as a consultant on the 1985 TZ DVD set, and Image took a few of the images off my site. We also sent some of our memorabilia to Image to use, but I'm not sure what if any they did use. When we went to LA in 2004, we had lunch with the production team and toured the facility, talked about the cover art and had a great time. I also put them in touch with Alan Brennert, though they would have found him eventually. But, I think that by getting Alan to them early in the planning, they were able to get a lot of people in there for the commentaries that they would not have had. Since Phil DeGuere has since passed away, it's a good thing the commentaries happened when they did. There will be an "In Memoriam" to Phil on the second season set. Wait till you hear the commentaries on the first season set. They're priceless, and almost worth the 20 year wait. You can let me know what you think. I also let Image know about Search being a series with a big fan base, and that like "Buck Rogers," which they also did, it would be perfect for a DVD release since it ran just one season. I haven't heard anything since then on Search, but you never know; I gave them the website address and told them there's an active group of fans out there that love the show and want to see it on DVD. I thought I posted something about it to the list when I did it, but it's been about a year, so I must not have. Between school and work my memory is shot. Image is dedicated to putting out TV series, and if they can get the rights they'll do it, and do it as it should be done. All five seasons of the Combat! release are a big seller, and they're hitting the top of the DVD charts; it's doing way more than Image thought it ever would, so they're more receptive to the more obscure series now. I've always said Hollywood doesn't do their research correctly, or not at all, when they look at releasing TV series. Steve and I both consulted on the Image Combat! set, and the first three or four seasons have an image gallery with the shots from our site. The fifth season will have a walkthrough of Franklin Canyon, where virtually all of the outdoors shooting was done, with several of the Combat! fans who live in LA and a film crew from Image. They've got all the shooting locations mapped out, and have spent years hunting down every camera angle from some of the shows. Most of the stuff on the Combat! sets came from fans, which is the way to release a series that has a big fan base. Image wanted to release a deluxe Night Gallery set, but Universal refused. The writers of the Night Gallery Companion book, who have every bit of trivia and memorabilia, were going to write the booklet, and open their archives to Image; they were going to bring in all the stars to do commentaries, the directors, everyone. We (the NG discussion list) were all devastated when Universal turned them down flat. And then, look at the garbage Universal put out on NG. The first season set cover is a jury-rigged picture of Rod, with some space graphics behind it, and the font is not even the distinctive NG font. No commentaries, no extras, nothing. It's criminal the way some of the these studios treat their series like unwanted hostages." Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com -----Original Message----- >From: "Brooks, Brooks, Brooks, Brooks Cook, Cook, Cook, Cook" >Sent: Jan 5, 2006 9:14 AM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service > >Nice find, Don! > > If anyone does find out something, maybe we can do a "massive" letter writing campaign - well, as massive as the probe control yahoo group can be considered "massive", anyway :) 3445 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Sat Jan 7, 2006 11:37pm Subject: Re: Warner Bros prepares TV Internet service gfwillmetts Hello Michael Having execs at Warners who know nothing actually increases the chances of being swayed to do something. No history with the series - which has kept it off the air Stateside after all - and we can use that to exaggerate its importance more than just our group especially if it can be linked to how other series like Alias use a similar technique that Search started. Geoff 3446 From: Buster1033@... Date: Sun Jan 8, 2006 11:37pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 1046 buster1033 Just adding something... When Quantum Leap was released I was elated--then we got the series in our hands. Maybe most fans could care less but I felt that the vintage music used on each show to illustrate what time he had leaped into was half of the "jump" -- it "made" the show. Universal chose not to pay for the rights, pennies a show, I imagine, and threw in pop Muzak in place of "Georgia on my Mind" and others that were significant to the plot or the scene. I know there are other series that have had this happen -- Wiseguy, for one. Search doesn't have to worry about this--but I don't think that we'll ever see much on dvd for a show that was a failure when it was on the network. I guess I'm pretty disheartened since the Quantum Leap fiasco--which, by the way, I no longer own. I sold 'em. When I have the equipment I'll translate my first run tapes over. Pity we can't do that for everything. Terri 3447 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Mon Jan 9, 2006 3:41am Subject: Music Rights in Older TV programs probecontrol Terru wrote: >... When Quantum Leap was released I was elated--then we got the series in >our hands. Maybe most fans could care less but I felt that the vintage >music used on each show to illustrate what time he had leaped into was half >of the "jump" -- it "made" the show. Universal chose not to pay for the >rights, pennies a show, I imagine, and threw in pop Muzak in place of >"Georgia on my Mind" and others that were significant to the plot or the >scene. I know there are other series that have had this happen -- Wiseguy, for one. ============ I'm in the middle of watching THE GREATEST AMERICAN HERO on DVD, Terri. Chalk up ANOTHER DVD release that has 'muzak' inserted in place over some of the score. >>Yuck!!!<< Jim Alexander 3448 From: "Morningstar" Date: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:08am Subject: Re: Digest Number 1046 am2star And, I was thoroughly disappointed that "tour of Duty" had the original soundtrack replaced. It is still a good show, but it should have been a great dvd set. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, Buster1033@a... wrote: > > > > Just adding something... > > When Quantum Leap was released I was elated--then we got the series in > our hands. Maybe most fans could care less but I felt that the vintage > music used on each show to illustrate what time he had leaped into was > half of the "jump" -- it "made" the show. Universal chose not to pay > for the rights, pennies a show, I imagine, and threw in pop Muzak in > place of "Georgia on my Mind" > and others that were significant to the plot or the scene. I know > there are other series that have had this happen -- Wiseguy, for one. > Search doesn't have to worry about this--but I don't think that we'll > ever see much on dvd for a show that was a failure when it was on the > network. I guess I'm pretty disheartened since the Quantum Leap > fiasco--which, by the way, I no longer own. I sold 'em. When I have > the equipment I'll translate my first run tapes over. Pity we can't do > that for everything. > > Terri > 3449 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:42am Subject: Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs dghprobe3 Other shows affected by changes in the original music include "WKRP in Cincinnati" and "Miami Vice." In most cases, the music selections pertained directly to the plot and enhanced the particular segment. When such music gets replaced with kazoo-like muzak, it ruins the original effect. Funny thing. Notice that whenever someone like Ted Turner wants to colorize an old movie that he himself owns, nearly all of Hollywood gets up in arms over it. "It wasn't meant to be released that way," etc. These changes in music weren't meant to be released that way either, but you hear a very loud silence about it from the usual sources. Wonder why nobody out there will stand up for the musicians? Or at least help complain on their behalf? Interesting also that the movie and TV artists fought long and hard for those royalty rights, and the studios agreed to them, yet those same rights are worthless if studios can replace with cheap substitutions. So much for having royalty rights. When the DVD format first appeared, we all rejoiced because it was promised that we would finally be able to get pristine, high quality recordings of our favorite movies and shows as they originally appeared in prime time. It ain't that way no more. Funny that we didn't seem to have this type of problem with VHS releases, at least not to this extent. I suppose we could write and protest what they are doing, but it would take real numbers to get anyone's attention. The studios figure the average Joe isn't going to notice. While cutting corners to make a better bottom line, the studios can't see that they are ruining their shows at the same time. The only way to get genuine versions of your favorite shows is to record them when they first air. If this re-editing gets any worse, fans will have to abandon these increasingly botched DVD sets of shows and look instead toward trading with those who recorded your favorites when they first ran. --Don 3450 From: dmanmetz@... Date: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:18pm Subject: Re: Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs dmanmetz@... Actually, Miami Vice has it's original music. I remember about two or three years ago about how that was a big controversey about how "Vice" could never be released on DVD because they could never afford the rights to music. I guess creator Michael Mann knew his 80's classic would not be the same without the music, which was a character in the show itself. Now, if only univerisal had did a better job in cleaning up the prints in this ground breaking show. All Stephen J. Cannell's shows have been replaced with generic music. Greatest American Hero, Wiseguy, and 21 Street. I guess Mr. Cannell didn't want to pay the money. They want us to buy their product, but won't give us good quality. Very disappointing. Chris -----Original Message----- From: dghprobe3 To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:42:26 -0000 Subject: [probe_control] Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs Other shows affected by changes in the original music include "WKRP in Cincinnati" and "Miami Vice." In most cases, the music selections pertained directly to the plot and enhanced the particular segment. When such music gets replaced with kazoo-like muzak, it ruins the original effect. Funny thing. Notice that whenever someone like Ted Turner wants to colorize an old movie that he himself owns, nearly all of Hollywood gets up in arms over it. "It wasn't meant to be released that way," etc. These changes in music weren't meant to be released that way either, but you hear a very loud silence about it from the usual sources. Wonder why nobody out there will stand up for the musicians? Or at least help complain on their behalf? Interesting also that the movie and TV artists fought long and hard for those royalty rights, and the studios agreed to them, yet those same rights are worthless if studios can replace with cheap substitutions. So much for having royalty rights. When the DVD format first appeared, we all rejoiced because it was promised that we would finally be able to get pristine, high quality recordings of our favorite movies and shows as they originally appeared in prime time. It ain't that way no more. Funny that we didn't seem to have this type of problem with VHS releases, at least not to this extent. I suppose we could write and protest what they are doing, but it would take real numbers to get anyone's attention. The studios figure the average Joe isn't going to notice. While cutting corners to make a better bottom line, the studios can't see that they are ruining their shows at the same time. The only way to get genuine versions of your favorite shows is to record them when they first air. If this re-editing gets any worse, fans will have to abandon these increasingly botched DVD sets of shows and look instead toward trading with those who recorded your favorites when they first ran. --Don 3451 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:30pm Subject: Re: Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs gfwillmetts Hello Terri and everyone that I’ve read this evening but haven’t changed my comments I wrote before coming on line tonight. From what I heard, it wasn't the TV company that wouldn't buy the rights for the music, but some music publishing companies decided not to take a smaller cut especially since the entire track isn't used but would still get the same fee regardless. Don't forget, everyone and their estate on a DVD release is entitled to a little money and its contractually obliged for composers to get a cut. Now if you have a DVD which has more than a main composer the only way you can do everything as it was would be to quadruple the price you pay in the shops. I heard about this re: Quantum Leap. I presume some of the original tracks were still on there. It's the ones who aren't that didn't. I'm not saying either side is right in this but its not all caused by the TV companies. Gotta go Geoff 3452 From: actingman@... Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 0:22am Subject: Re: Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs actingman_jc I would be interested to hear from some of our industry members on this issue. I suspect it is some of what everyone has been saying...cost. I think there are also problems sometimes in determing who owns the rights to a particular piece. While not specifically about dvd release, All Things Considered did a story yesterday about out of print music, and they mentioned how difficult it can be for even the original music labels to determine if they still own the rights to a particular work (here's the link if anyone wants to listen to the segment: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5139522). There may be some cases where a few seconds of replaced muzik means the difference between getting a release out on the street...and holding it up until the ownership is determined (or withholding that one episode.) So if anyone is in the know on this: How much of the problem is the added cost? How much is that cost? How much would it add to the cost of a DVD release? How much of the problem is just tracking down ownership of a work? Which is more expensive? Mastering the episodes...or researching the clearance issues of any given work? Thinking about this I am amazed, and greatful as to what has been cleared: Can you imagine the final episode of the Prisoner without the Four Lads' Dry Bones? The final episode of Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxey without Louis Armstrong's What A Wonderful World? Time Tunnel is being released, so I guess there wasn't a problem with all the stock footage they used...or we shall see. I have wondered if the final episode of Land of the Giants filmed would have clearance issues becuase they used several times the song Make 'Em Laugh (although that may be a different question because that was a vocal recorded by the two cast members for the episode...guess that is another question for our industry pros.) And not to put Marta on the spot, but she mentioned to me privately that the 80's Twilight Zone release had some music that had to be replaced...if you know the reasons/problems behind that Marta...love to hear about it. 3453 From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 0:52am Subject: RE: Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs martadawes The Grateful Dead-composed music was supposedly not included on the release, because they wouldn't allow it. Several of the band members had been friends of Phil DeGuere, and that's how their music made it into the series in the first place. Some music in "Nightsong" and several other second season episodes also couldn't be obtained, but from what I've heard on the DVD for "Nightsong" it sounds like it's all there. They could have cleared the rights at the last minute, I guess. Some of the episodes are also in mono, because CBS lost some of the stereo masters. The biggest coup on music rights I've heard so far is "Happy Days," the first season. It cost them over a million to get the rights for just the that one season, but with a series like HD's you have to have that music or it's going to sell. "WKRP" is another example, but I've heard that they're trying to clear all the rights so that the original music can be there. It's just going to take a long time to accomplish. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! All we are saying is...give Peace a chance. John Lennon May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon. Big Jim McBob and Billy Sol Hurok -----Original Message----- From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of actingman@... Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:23 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs I would be interested to hear from some of our industry members on this issue. I suspect it is some of what everyone has been saying...cost. I think there are also problems sometimes in determing who owns the rights to a particular piece. While not specifically about dvd release, All Things Considered did a story yesterday about out of print music, and they mentioned how difficult it can be for even the original music labels to determine if they still own the rights to a particular work (here's the link if anyone wants to listen to the segment: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5139522). There may be some cases where a few seconds of replaced muzik means the difference between getting a release out on the street...and holding it up until the ownership is determined (or withholding that one episode.) So if anyone is in the know on this: How much of the problem is the added cost? How much is that cost? How much would it add to the cost of a DVD release? How much of the problem is just tracking down ownership of a work? Which is more expensive? Mastering the episodes...or researching the clearance issues of any given work? Thinking about this I am amazed, and greatful as to what has been cleared: Can you imagine the final episode of the Prisoner without the Four Lads' Dry Bones? The final episode of Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxey without Louis Armstrong's What A Wonderful World? Time Tunnel is being released, so I guess there wasn't a problem with all the stock footage they used...or we shall see. I have wondered if the final episode of Land of the Giants filmed would have clearance issues becuase they used several times the song Make 'Em Laugh (although that may be a different question because that was a vocal recorded by the two cast members for the episode...guess that is another question for our industry pros.) And not to put Marta on the spot, but she mentioned to me privately that the 80's Twilight Zone release had some music that had to be replaced...if you know the reasons/problems behind that Marta...love to hear about it. 3454 From: Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:18am Subject: RE: Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs actingman_jc Thanks Marta. WKRP would be an interesting case...since they refer to the music playing. Don't know how that would work with Dr. Johnny Fever talking up a record that we now can't hear. > >Subject: RE: [probe_control] Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs > From: "Marta Dawes" > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:52:19 -0600 > To: > >The Grateful Dead-composed music was supposedly not included on the release, >because they wouldn't allow it. Several of the band members had been >friends of Phil DeGuere, and that's how their music made it into the series >in the first place. Some music in "Nightsong" and several other second >season episodes also couldn't be obtained, but from what I've heard on the >DVD for "Nightsong" it sounds like it's all there. They could have cleared >the rights at the last minute, I guess. Some of the episodes are also in >mono, because CBS lost some of the stereo masters. > >The biggest coup on music rights I've heard so far is "Happy Days," the >first season. It cost them over a million to get the rights for just the >that one season, but with a series like HD's you have to have that music or >it's going to sell. "WKRP" is another example, but I've heard that they're >trying to clear all the rights so that the original music can be there. >It's just going to take a long time to accomplish. > >Marta > >http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! > >All we are saying is...give Peace a chance. > John Lennon > >May the good Lord take a likin' to ya >and blow ya up real soon. > Big Jim McBob and Billy Sol Hurok > 3455 From: "Morningstar" Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:03am Subject: Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs am2star In the Star Trek episode "The City on the Edge of Forever," one of the musical themes was "Goodnight, Sweetheart." Most of the music was based on that song. When it came to videotape, the series was advertised as "uncut and unedited." However, that episode had an asterisk, that some music was changed. The same was true for the laserdisc and now, probably the dvd. This is all because Paramount doesn't want to renegotiate the license for that music. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "dghprobe3" wrote: > > Other shows affected by changes in the original music include "WKRP > in Cincinnati" and "Miami Vice." In most cases, the music selections > pertained directly to the plot and enhanced the particular segment. > When such music gets replaced with kazoo-like muzak, it ruins the > original effect. > > Funny thing. Notice that whenever someone like Ted Turner wants to > colorize an old movie that he himself owns, nearly all of Hollywood > gets up in arms over it. "It wasn't meant to be released that way," > etc. > > These changes in music weren't meant to be released that way either, > but you hear a very loud silence about it from the usual sources. > Wonder why nobody out there will stand up for the musicians? Or at > least help complain on their behalf? > > Interesting also that the movie and TV artists fought long and hard > for those royalty rights, and the studios agreed to them, yet those > same rights are worthless if studios can replace with cheap > substitutions. So much for having royalty rights. > > When the DVD format first appeared, we all rejoiced because it was > promised that we would finally be able to get pristine, high quality > recordings of our favorite movies and shows as they originally > appeared in prime time. It ain't that way no more. Funny that we > didn't seem to have this type of problem with VHS releases, at least > not to this extent. > > I suppose we could write and protest what they are doing, but it > would take real numbers to get anyone's attention. The studios > figure the average Joe isn't going to notice. While cutting corners > to make a better bottom line, the studios can't see that they are > ruining their shows at the same time. > > The only way to get genuine versions of your favorite shows is to > record them when they first air. If this re-editing gets any worse, > fans will have to abandon these increasingly botched DVD sets of > shows and look instead toward trading with those who recorded your > favorites when they first ran. > > --Don > 3456 From: "Morningstar" Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:25am Subject: Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs am2star One of the classic scenes from "WKRP in Cincinati" is "Another One Bites the Dust" by Queen finishing and Johnny Fever says "...And not a moment too soon." This would never play without the original song. Not only was WKRP edited in syndication, but they changed the timing on the analog tape to make it run faster. Then, they dropped the trebel so the audio didn't sound squeaky. It was really annoying. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Thanks Marta. > > WKRP would be an interesting case...since they refer to the music playing. Don't know how that would work with Dr. Johnny Fever talking up a record that we now can't hear. > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [probe_control] Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs > > From: "Marta Dawes" > > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:52:19 -0600 > > To: > > > >The Grateful Dead-composed music was supposedly not included on the release, > >because they wouldn't allow it. Several of the band members had been > >friends of Phil DeGuere, and that's how their music made it into the series > >in the first place. Some music in "Nightsong" and several other second > >season episodes also couldn't be obtained, but from what I've heard on the > >DVD for "Nightsong" it sounds like it's all there. They could have cleared > >the rights at the last minute, I guess. Some of the episodes are also in > >mono, because CBS lost some of the stereo masters. > > > >The biggest coup on music rights I've heard so far is "Happy Days," the > >first season. It cost them over a million to get the rights for just the > >that one season, but with a series like HD's you have to have that music or > >it's going to sell. "WKRP" is another example, but I've heard that they're > >trying to clear all the rights so that the original music can be there. > >It's just going to take a long time to accomplish. > > > >Marta > > > >http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! > > > >All we are saying is...give Peace a chance. > > John Lennon > > > >May the good Lord take a likin' to ya > >and blow ya up real soon. > > Big Jim McBob and Billy Sol Hurok > > > 3457 From: "Morningstar" Date: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:41am Subject: Warner DVDs am2star I know that I have posted this before, but I thought that it bears repeating considering our current discussions. When the first season of "Kung Fu" cam out on dvd, the episodes were cropped to create a widescreen image. "Kung Fu" was never filmed for widescreen presentation. When "Crusade" (the "Babylon 5" spin-off) was filmed, like its predecessor, it was filmed in widescreen, but photographed so that it could be broadcast as a full frame image. When it was released on dvd, the episodes were cropped to maintain the "full frame" image instead of giving the viewers the chance to see the episodes as they were filmed. I didn't buy any season of "Kung Fu" because of how they released the first season. I did buy "Crusade," however. If it is released in widescreen, I will have two copies. But, I don't see that happening anytime soon. 3458 From: Buster1033@... Date: Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:35pm Subject: Cannell & shows in general... buster1033 I What is depressing about Cannell is that volumes of his stuff dirive from music. Another very short lived show, just like Search is "Stingray". I totally doubt it will ever come out on dvd--and as far as songs go-most are original from artists hired to sing for the show. The songs drove the show--oh and along w/that nice Corvette... I really wonder if they realize that they take away more than music when they remove it. Terri 3459 From: Date: Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:33pm Subject: Re: Cannell & shows in general... probecontrol >I What is depressing about Cannell is that volumes of his stuff dirive from music. ================ Agreed. Cannell's programs are so very music-driven. Almost every one of them (if not every one). That's why it's especially unfortunate that clearances haven't been acquired for his DVD sets in particular. ================ >... I really wonder if they realize that they take away more than music when they remove it. ================ I doubt they care until concrete evidence can be given that it really *does* impact DVD sales. Until then, they won't give a flip. Just as bad (IMHO) are the editors who had to shave our beloved 47-to-50 minutes shows of the 50's, 60's and 70's down the to 45-minute run times. It *almost* makes you feel sorry for the poor schlubs given the editing assignments, Terri. They're just doin' their jobs. But it still stinks. Jim Alexander 3460 From: "brooksatphoenix" Date: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:00pm Subject: Re: "Search" remake brooksatphoenix I know remakes are almost always disasters, but since the odds of them remaking the outstanding SEARCH series into a movie, even a TV movie or show, are astronomical, let's just consider this "for fun". If they were to remake it, which character (Lockwood, Bianco or Grover) would you rather see as the lead, what current actor would you cast in that role & who would be your choice to play V.C.R. Cameron? Super tough, I know - for the original actors were incomparable. But what if? Brooks 3461 From: "zombiehead66" Date: Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:51pm Subject: search zombiehead66 Search used to be one my favorite shows, I'm not sure what year they broadcasted it in Canada. I was between 9 and 11 years old anyway. I heard someone else mention James Bond comparisons and I agree totally. I liked Doug McClure, the C.R. Grover character the best. I remember When it would start and I would be sitting there hoping that it would be a C.R. Grover episode. I still watched the other ones though. After the show I would usually go on a secret mission, ha, ha. I mention Search to quite a few people but only a couple remember it. I've e-mailed Tvland to get that one on but no such luck yet. Any way I'm glad to have found the probe control site I've been looking a few years on the net for anything on Search. The most I found in the past is a couple of sentences saying oh it was a short lived series in the early seventies, blah, blah... Terrific, thanks! I wish they would release it on DVD. I'd buy it. Z.H. 3462 From: Date: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:55pm Subject: Re: Re: "Search" remake probecontrol Brooks wrote: >... If they were to remake (SEARCH), which character (Lockwood, Bianco or Grover) would you rather see as the lead, what current actor would you cast in that role & who would be your choice to play V.C.R. Cameron? =================== This is always fun. We had a round of this a year or two ago. I seem to remember someone suggesting that Angel Tompkins as "the 'new' Cameron", which was an interesting idea. :) Jim Alexander 3463 From: "Morningstar" Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:22am Subject: Re: Cannell & shows in general... am2star Part of the beauty of dvds, and laserdiscs before them, is that I don't have to depend on broadcasts. If I want to watch an original "Gilligan's Island" uncut, I can. The same it true for "Babylon 5," "Space: 1999," "UFO," "Thunderbirds," and "Green Acres." There are some good programs on broadcast television and cable. But, when I want to watch a classic, I go to the shelf. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >I What is depressing about Cannell is that volumes of his > stuff dirive from music. > ================ > Agreed. Cannell's programs are so very music-driven. Almost > every one of them (if not every one). That's why it's > especially unfortunate that clearances haven't been acquired > for his DVD sets in particular. > ================ > >... I really wonder if they realize that they take away > more than music when they remove it. > ================ > I doubt they care until concrete evidence can be given that > it really *does* impact DVD sales. Until then, they won't > give a flip. > > Just as bad (IMHO) are the editors who had to shave our > beloved 47-to-50 minutes shows of the 50's, 60's and 70's > down the to 45-minute run times. > > It *almost* makes you feel sorry for the poor schlubs given > the editing assignments, Terri. They're just doin' their > jobs. > > But it still stinks. > > Jim Alexander > 3464 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:15am Subject: Re: Cannell & shows in general... dghprobe3 --- In probe_control, wrote: > It *almost* makes you feel sorry for the poor schlubs given > the editing assignments, Terri. They're just doin' their > jobs. But it still stinks. Hi: One of the reasons I enjoy these mailing lists is that I can throw out an offbeat observation or register a minor to severe complaint, and folks will send in usually enlightening replies. So thanks to all who have responded to this and related threads, I've learned a few things in the last couple of days. What we probably need are more cable channels that can do for TV series what Turner Classic Movies and Fox Movie Channel do for movies. I think Encore is the only cluster of channels that run TV series uncut and without commercials, but they are a premium pay service to which I don't have access. I would imagine the Sleuth Channel, being owned by NBC-Uni (like Sci- Fi Channel), cuts their shows/movies tremendously. Can anyone give a report on the overall appearance of Sleuth Channel? It's another one I can't get. --Don 3465 From: "Morningstar" Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:24am Subject: Re: "Search" remake am2star That is a tough one. I have given it much thought, and I really can't think of anyone who would be good in the original roles. If you updated it, and said that it was thirty years later, it would still be hard to find actors who have the maturity to pull off the roles. I can't think of anyone who would be good as probe agents. And, I really can't think of anyone who would play a Control leader. Unfortunately, most actors are too "young and imature" to be good in these roles. Perhaps taking a page from "Alias" and using women might be the way to do it. There are a number of good actresses that are athletic, attractive, and mature who might work. I don't know if she is still acting, but Meg Foster would make a great Control leader. She has an aloof quality that would work as a scientist. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "brooksatphoenix" wrote: > > I know remakes are almost always disasters, but since the odds of them remaking the > outstanding SEARCH series into a movie, even a TV movie or show, are astronomical, let's > just consider this "for fun". > > If they were to remake it, which character (Lockwood, Bianco or Grover) would you rather see > as the lead, what current actor would you cast in that role & who would be your choice to > play V.C.R. Cameron? > > Super tough, I know - for the original actors were incomparable. But what if? > > Brooks > 3466 From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 0:31pm Subject: RE: Re: Cannell & shows in general... martadawes We're getting the Universal HD channel here, but I haven't seen the Sleuth Channel yet. I haven't had the chance to watch a series episode on Uni HD, but they show things like "The Equalizer" and "Knightrider," which I wouldn't know were uncut since I never watched them when they were first broadcast. Their movies so far have been less than inspiring, since they showed the cut version of "Dune" several weeks ago. It looked great, though. :-) Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! All we are saying is...give Peace a chance. John Lennon May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon. Big Jim McBob and Billy Sol Hurok -----Original Message----- From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dghprobe3 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:16 AM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: [probe_control] Re: Cannell & shows in general... --- In probe_control, wrote: > It *almost* makes you feel sorry for the poor schlubs given > the editing assignments, Terri. They're just doin' their > jobs. But it still stinks. Hi: One of the reasons I enjoy these mailing lists is that I can throw out an offbeat observation or register a minor to severe complaint, and folks will send in usually enlightening replies. So thanks to all who have responded to this and related threads, I've learned a few things in the last couple of days. What we probably need are more cable channels that can do for TV series what Turner Classic Movies and Fox Movie Channel do for movies. I think Encore is the only cluster of channels that run TV series uncut and without commercials, but they are a premium pay service to which I don't have access. I would imagine the Sleuth Channel, being owned by NBC-Uni (like Sci- Fi Channel), cuts their shows/movies tremendously. Can anyone give a report on the overall appearance of Sleuth Channel? It's another one I can't get. --Don 3467 From: Buster1033@... Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 0:52pm Subject: A Search remake... buster1033 I dunno who I'd cast. All my favorite actors are dead except Dean Stockwell. He'd be great in almost anything. My usual feeling about film is (not always) if it's not black & White I'm not interested. Terri 3468 From: C denova Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:55pm Subject: Re: Re: "Search" remake c_denova Armin Shimmerman would make an excellent Cameron. He projects the same type of nervous energy and intensity Burgess Meridith did and also has a flair for both drama and comedy. probecontrol@... wrote: Brooks wrote: >... If they were to remake (SEARCH), which character (Lockwood, Bianco or Grover) would you rather see as the lead, what current actor would you cast in that role & who would be your choice to play V.C.R. Cameron? =================== This is always fun. We had a round of this a year or two ago. I seem to remember someone suggesting that Angel Tompkins as "the 'new' Cameron", which was an interesting idea. :) Jim Alexander 3469 From: "David Paleg" Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:40pm Subject: Re: "Search" remake dpaleg I would like to see Michael T Weiss (Jarod on The Pretender) as a new agent in a remake series or motion picture. Maybe Michael Dorn (Worf on a couple of Star Trek series), Jonathan Frakes (Ryker), or Lucy Lawless (Xena). For Probe Control, I was thinking of John Rhys-Davies (the professor on Sliders) or Leonard Nimoy (I will admit that I am a big Trekkie). Another member of this group mentioned emailing TVLand about Search. I had also done that several months ago and did not receive any answer. Judging by their message board, many viewers have had the same lack of response. 3470 From: "actingman_jc" Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:29pm Subject: Re: "Search" remake actingman_jc Hadn't thought of Rhys-Davies...but he would be perfect. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "David Paleg" > For Probe Control, I was thinking of John Rhys-Davies (the professor on > Sliders) 3471 From: "" Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:19pm Subject: Re: SEARCH remake brooksatphoenix > I seem to remember someone suggesting that Angel > Tompkins as "the 'new' Cameron", which was an interesting > idea. :) > > Jim Alexander It would make sense, like she had worked her way up. That would give the "new" movie/show a continuity, which wasn't what I was thinking - but might be an even cooler idea than just a remake. Like World Securities has this 34 year history. And our new agents are a whole new generation of probes. Lockwood and Bianco could even be on the advisory board, making cameo appearances and offering advice. Man, Jim, I think you need to win the lottery and become a big time producer! You could fly the whole yahoo group to Hawaii for a two week idea brainstorming session. :) Brooks On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:22 , 'Morningstar' sent: >Part of the beauty of dvds, and laserdiscs before them, is that I >don't have to depend on broadcasts. If I want to watch an original >"Gilligan's Island" uncut, I can. The same it true for "Babylon 5," >"Space: 1999," "UFO," "Thunderbirds," and "Green Acres." There are >some good programs on broadcast television and cable. But, when I want >to watch a classic, I go to the shelf. > >--- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >I What is depressing about Cannell is that volumes of his >> stuff dirive from music. >> ================ >> Agreed. Cannell's programs are so very music-driven. Almost >> every one of them (if not every one). That's why it's >> especially unfortunate that clearances haven't been acquired >> for his DVD sets in particular. >> ================ >> >... I really wonder if they realize that they take away >> more than music when they remove it. >> ================ >> I doubt they care until concrete evidence can be given that >> it really *does* impact DVD sales. Until then, they won't >> give a flip. >> >> Just as bad (IMHO) are the editors who had to shave our >> beloved 47-to-50 minutes shows of the 50's, 60's and 70's >> down the to 45-minute run times. >> >> It *almost* makes you feel sorry for the poor schlubs given >> the editing assignments, Terri. They're just doin' their >> jobs. >> >> But it still stinks. >> >> Jim Alexander 3472 From: "" Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:40pm Subject: Re: Re: brooksatphoenix All very cool picks, David. Particularly for Probe Control. Both guys would be very interesting as the wizened controller. On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:40 , 'David Paleg' sent: >I would like to see Michael T Weiss (Jarod on The Pretender) as a new >agent in a remake series or motion picture. Maybe Michael Dorn (Worf on >a couple of Star Trek series), Jonathan Frakes (Ryker), or Lucy Lawless >(Xena). > >For Probe Control, I was thinking of John Rhys-Davies (the professor on >Sliders) or Leonard Nimoy (I will admit that I am a big Trekkie). > >Another member of this group mentioned emailing TVLand about Search. I >had also done that several months ago and did not receive any answer. >Judging by their message board, many viewers have had the same lack of >response. 3473 From: Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:10pm Subject: Re: Re: SEARCH remake probecontrol Brooks wrote (re: "V.C.R. Harding"): >It would make sense, like she had worked her way up. >That would give the "new" movie/show a continuity, >which wasn't what I was thinking - but might be an >even cooler idea than just a remake. ================ I knew you weren't 'going there' but it's something I remembered from one of those past discussions. ;) Thought I'd share since you were new. :) Pleased to have you here, by the way, Brooks. :) ================ >Like World Securities has this 34 year history. And >our new agents are a whole new generation of probes. >Lockwood and Bianco could even be on the advisory >board, making cameo appearances and offering advice. ================ Exactly! :) ================ >Man, Jim, I think you need to win the lottery and >become a big time producer! You could fly the whole >yahoo group to Hawaii for a two week idea >brainstorming session. ================ Win the lottery *and* become a big-time producer? Lightning might strike *once*... but TWICE? ') Jim Alexander 3474 From: "ronaldheld" Date: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:58pm Subject: Re: SEARCH remake ronaldheld That is a good idea. I remember that she was on the fast track for promotion. Now, to have the retired Probes on the Board would be even better! --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "" wrote: > > > I seem to remember someone suggesting that Angel > > Tompkins as "the 'new' Cameron", which was an interesting > > idea. :) > > > > Jim Alexander > > It would make sense, like she had worked her way up. > That would give the "new" movie/show a continuity, > which wasn't what I was thinking - but might be an > even cooler idea than just a remake. > > Like World Securities has this 34 year history. And > our new agents are a whole new generation of probes. > Lockwood and Bianco could even be on the advisory > board, making cameo appearances and offering advice. > > Man, Jim, I think you need to win the lottery and > become a big time producer! You could fly the whole > yahoo group to Hawaii for a two week idea > brainstorming session. > > :) > > Brooks > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:22 , 'Morningstar' sent: > > >Part of the beauty of dvds, and laserdiscs before them, is that I > >don't have to depend on broadcasts. If I want to watch an original > >"Gilligan's Island" uncut, I can. The same it true for "Babylon 5," > >"Space: 1999," "UFO," "Thunderbirds," and "Green Acres." There are > >some good programs on broadcast television and cable. But, when I want > >to watch a classic, I go to the shelf. > > > >--- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > >> > >> >I What is depressing about Cannell is that volumes of his > >> stuff dirive from music. > >> ================ > >> Agreed. Cannell's programs are so very music-driven. Almost > >> every one of them (if not every one). That's why it's > >> especially unfortunate that clearances haven't been acquired > >> for his DVD sets in particular. > >> ================ > >> >... I really wonder if they realize that they take away > >> more than music when they remove it. > >> ================ > >> I doubt they care until concrete evidence can be given that > >> it really *does* impact DVD sales. Until then, they won't > >> give a flip. > >> > >> Just as bad (IMHO) are the editors who had to shave our > >> beloved 47-to-50 minutes shows of the 50's, 60's and 70's > >> down the to 45-minute run times. > >> > >> It *almost* makes you feel sorry for the poor schlubs given > >> the editing assignments, Terri. They're just doin' their > >> jobs. > >> > >> But it still stinks. > >> > >> Jim Alexander 3475 From: STEPHEN RUSELL Date: Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:04am Subject: Re: A Search remake... secretconcierge Me Id hire New Blood & use CGI FX on the Probe Control consoles. Todays cars & etc & combine: E Ring, 24, Alias, 007, Peter Gunn into the Mix. Its doable. I say. Estd MYSPACE.COM/PROBE CONTROL group??? FYI. New Probe Control. Photos of prior cast as Past agents. New director IE VC Camerons sons etc. New plots. Yes. Buster1033@... wrote: I dunno who I'd cast. All my favorite actors are dead except Dean Stockwell. He'd be great in almost anything. My usual feeling about film is (not always) if it's not black & White I'm not interested. Terri 3476 From: STEPHEN RUSELL Date: Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:28am Subject: Re: Cannell & shows in general... secretconcierge Shall we sue the DVD makers??? Others? Petition??? Online. With TV actors who lose residuals from DVDs alone. FYI. probecontrol@... wrote: >I What is depressing about Cannell is that volumes of his stuff dirive from music. ================ Agreed. Cannell's programs are so very music-driven. Almost every one of them (if not every one). That's why it's especially unfortunate that clearances haven't been acquired for his DVD sets in particular. ================ >... I really wonder if they realize that they take away more than music when they remove it. ================ I doubt they care until concrete evidence can be given that it really *does* impact DVD sales. Until then, they won't give a flip. Just as bad (IMHO) are the editors who had to shave our beloved 47-to-50 minutes shows of the 50's, 60's and 70's down the to 45-minute run times. It *almost* makes you feel sorry for the poor schlubs given the editing assignments, Terri. They're just doin' their jobs. But it still stinks. Jim Alexander 3477 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:21pm Subject: soundtracks and gemini combinations gfwillmetts Hello Marta and everyone The Knight Rider DVD seasons 1 and 2 released in the UK so far have had their original music tracks on them. As some of you have commented and probably covered all the points, it depends on cost and how easy it is to obtain rights, especially with record companies being bought out and some bands no longer existing or members dead or gone to ground, tracking estates must be harder. When it was just video a few years back, there weren't that many series outside of SF being released in that format. These days, everything is being considered which speaks well for the future if they see they can make a few bucks from a release. Just have to keep an eye on the more obscure series and see what happens to them if they get a release. By the by, last week I recorded a Ben Murphy film off the screen in the UK called ‘Riding With Death’ figuring that it was something to do with ‘Gemini Man’. Yep. It starts off with his origin which had me wondering if I’d recorded the pilot again and with a little chopping around his watch then proceeds into two successive episodes the main link being a truck driver who then moves onto car racing. That isn’t that important other than the link of Leslie Stevens. Is there anyway to check to see how many episodes were turned into 120 minute length TV movies and how far it extends into other series?? The copyright label says. If my roman numerals are up to scratch, 1987 and 1998. It was probably only done with ‘Gemini Man’ but its worth a search. Gotta go Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ *************************************************** 3478 From: Brooks Cook Date: Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:08pm Subject: Re: Re: SEARCH remake brooksatphoenix On Jan 13, 2006, at 4:58 PM, ronaldheld wrote: > That is a good idea. I remember that she was on the fast track for > promotion. Now, to have the retired Probes on the Board would be even > better! > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "" wrote: That's right! In "The Murrow Disappearance"! Good thread! She was cleared for Code 10 clearance. Also, what a waste NOT to have O'Brian and Franciosa doing anything on TV anymore. Both guys looks great for their age, and would really lend both an "old pros" touch AND class to an updated SEARCH. If only.... > >> >> >>> I seem to remember someone suggesting that Angel >>> Tompkins as "the 'new' Cameron", which was an interesting >>> idea. :) >>> >>> Jim Alexander >>> >> >> It would make sense, like she had worked her way up. >> That would give the "new" movie/show a continuity, >> which wasn't what I was thinking - but might be an >> even cooler idea than just a remake. >> >> Like World Securities has this 34 year history. And >> our new agents are a whole new generation of probes. >> Lockwood and Bianco could even be on the advisory >> board, making cameo appearances and offering advice. >> >> Man, Jim, I think you need to win the lottery and >> become a big time producer! You could fly the whole >> yahoo group to Hawaii for a two week idea >> brainstorming session. >> >> :) >> >> Brooks >> >> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:22 , 'Morningstar' sent: >> >> >>> Part of the beauty of dvds, and laserdiscs before them, is that I >>> don't have to depend on broadcasts. If I want to watch an original >>> "Gilligan's Island" uncut, I can. The same it true for "Babylon 5," >>> "Space: 1999," "UFO," "Thunderbirds," and "Green Acres." There are >>> some good programs on broadcast television and cable. But, when I >>> > want > >>> to watch a classic, I go to the shelf. >>> >>> --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I What is depressing about Cannell is that volumes of his >>>>> >>>> stuff dirive from music. >>>> ================ >>>> Agreed. Cannell's programs are so very music-driven. Almost >>>> every one of them (if not every one). That's why it's >>>> especially unfortunate that clearances haven't been acquired >>>> for his DVD sets in particular. >>>> ================ >>>> >>>>> ... I really wonder if they realize that they take away >>>>> >>>> more than music when they remove it. >>>> ================ >>>> I doubt they care until concrete evidence can be given that >>>> it really *does* impact DVD sales. Until then, they won't >>>> give a flip. >>>> >>>> Just as bad (IMHO) are the editors who had to shave our >>>> beloved 47-to-50 minutes shows of the 50's, 60's and 70's >>>> down the to 45-minute run times. >>>> >>>> It *almost* makes you feel sorry for the poor schlubs given >>>> the editing assignments, Terri. They're just doin' their >>>> jobs. >>>> >>>> But it still stinks. >>>> >>>> Jim Alexander 3479 From: "ronaldheld" Date: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:46am Subject: Re: SEARCH remake ronaldheld All you have to do is get the series restarted and hire on the actors that are still alive. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, Brooks Cook wrote: > > > On Jan 13, 2006, at 4:58 PM, ronaldheld wrote: > > > That is a good idea. I remember that she was on the fast track for > > promotion. Now, to have the retired Probes on the Board would be even > > better! > > > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "" wrote: > > That's right! In "The Murrow Disappearance"! Good thread! She was > cleared for Code 10 clearance. > > Also, what a waste NOT to have O'Brian and Franciosa doing anything > on TV anymore. > Both guys looks great for their age, and would really lend both an > "old pros" touch AND class to an updated SEARCH. If only.... > > > > > >> > >> > >>> I seem to remember someone suggesting that Angel > >>> Tompkins as "the 'new' Cameron", which was an interesting > >>> idea. :) > >>> > >>> Jim Alexander > >>> > >> > >> It would make sense, like she had worked her way up. > >> That would give the "new" movie/show a continuity, > >> which wasn't what I was thinking - but might be an > >> even cooler idea than just a remake. > >> > >> Like World Securities has this 34 year history. And > >> our new agents are a whole new generation of probes. > >> Lockwood and Bianco could even be on the advisory > >> board, making cameo appearances and offering advice. > >> > >> Man, Jim, I think you need to win the lottery and > >> become a big time producer! You could fly the whole > >> yahoo group to Hawaii for a two week idea > >> brainstorming session. > >> > >> :) > >> > >> Brooks > >> > >> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:22 , 'Morningstar' sent: > >> > >> > >>> Part of the beauty of dvds, and laserdiscs before them, is that I > >>> don't have to depend on broadcasts. If I want to watch an original > >>> "Gilligan's Island" uncut, I can. The same it true for "Babylon 5," > >>> "Space: 1999," "UFO," "Thunderbirds," and "Green Acres." There are > >>> some good programs on broadcast television and cable. But, when I > >>> > > want > > > >>> to watch a classic, I go to the shelf. > >>> > >>> --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I What is depressing about Cannell is that volumes of his > >>>>> > >>>> stuff dirive from music. > >>>> ================ > >>>> Agreed. Cannell's programs are so very music-driven. Almost > >>>> every one of them (if not every one). That's why it's > >>>> especially unfortunate that clearances haven't been acquired > >>>> for his DVD sets in particular. > >>>> ================ > >>>> > >>>>> ... I really wonder if they realize that they take away > >>>>> > >>>> more than music when they remove it. > >>>> ================ > >>>> I doubt they care until concrete evidence can be given that > >>>> it really *does* impact DVD sales. Until then, they won't > >>>> give a flip. > >>>> > >>>> Just as bad (IMHO) are the editors who had to shave our > >>>> beloved 47-to-50 minutes shows of the 50's, 60's and 70's > >>>> down the to 45-minute run times. > >>>> > >>>> It *almost* makes you feel sorry for the poor schlubs given > >>>> the editing assignments, Terri. They're just doin' their > >>>> jobs. > >>>> > >>>> But it still stinks. > >>>> > >>>> Jim Alexander 3480 From: "Morningstar" Date: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:22am Subject: Re: soundtracks and gemini combinations am2star The best way is to go to the Internet Movie Data Base (www.imdb.com) and either look at "Movie connections" fof "Gemini Man" or look for Ben Murphy and see where his character repeats. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > > Hello Marta and everyone > > The Knight Rider DVD seasons 1 and 2 released in the UK so far have had > their original music tracks on them. As some of you have commented and > probably covered all the points, it depends on cost and how easy it is to > obtain rights, especially with record companies being bought out and some > bands no longer existing or members dead or gone to ground, tracking estates > must be harder. When it was just video a few years back, there weren't that > many series outside of SF being released in that format. These days, > everything is being considered which speaks well for the future if they see > they can make a few bucks from a release. Just have to keep an eye on the > more obscure series and see what happens to them if they get a release. > > By the by, last week I recorded a Ben Murphy film off the screen in the UK > called �Riding With Death� figuring that it was something to do with �Gemini > Man�. Yep. It starts off with his origin which had me wondering if I�d > recorded the pilot again and with a little chopping around his watch then > proceeds into two successive episodes the main link being a truck driver who > then moves onto car racing. That isn�t that important other than the link of > Leslie Stevens. > Is there anyway to check to see how many episodes were turned into 120 > minute length TV movies and how far it extends into other series?? The > copyright label says. If my roman numerals are up to scratch, 1987 and 1998. > It was probably only done with �Gemini Man� but its worth a search. > > Gotta go > Geoff 3481 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:51pm Subject: RE: Re: soundtracks and gemini combinations gfwillmetts Hello Tony I'm interested in if its just a foreign thing or you people Stateside get the repackaging as well. That won't come out in a database. Geoff 3482 From: "Morningstar" Date: Thu Jan 19, 2006 0:14am Subject: Re: soundtracks and gemini combinations am2star With cable and satellite, and syndication, who knows what anyone gets until they see it? According to IMDb, "Riding with Death" was made into an MST3K episode. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > > Hello Tony > > I'm interested in if its just a foreign thing or you people Stateside get > the repackaging as well. That won't come out in a database. > > Geoff 3483 From: "Bill" Date: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:24pm Subject: Wishful dreaming bill0718 Hello everyone, I'm a new member and remember watching this show with great fondness. I've always had a secret wish that someday one of the networks would pick up this show and create more episodes. In reality, I know that won't happen but if it did, which of today's stars would be a good fit for the characters created by Hugh O'Brian, Doug McClure, Burgess Meredith and Tony Franciosa? Bill 3484 From: "Skip Brown" Date: Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:07pm Subject: In Memoriam: Tony Franciosa (1928 - 2006) skipster61 In case you had not heard, one of our dear Probe Agents has passed on. Tony Franciosa died in Los Angeles, yesterday, due to a massive stroke. He was 77. Here is a repost of news off the wire: Anthony Franciosa Dies at Age 77 Published: 1/20/06, 3:24 PM EDT LOS ANGELES (AP) - Anthony Franciosa, whose strong portrayals of moody, troubled characters made him a Hollywood star in the 1950s and '60s but whose combative behavior on movie sets hampered his career, has died, his publicist said Friday. He was 77. Franciosa died Thursday at UCLA Medical Center after suffering a massive stroke, publicist Dick Guttman said. The actor's wife of more than 35 years, Rita, and other family members were present. Franciosa was part of a new wave in the mid-20th century who revolutionized film acting with their introspective, intensely realistic approach to their roles. Most of them were schooled in the method acting of New York's Actors Studio. They included Marlon Brando, James Dean, Rod Steiger, Shelley Winters and Paul Newman. Franciosa was once married to Winters, who died last weekend. From his first important film role as the brother of a drug addict in "A Hatful of Rain," Franciosa became known for his portrayals of complicated young men. He received a 1956 Tony nomination for his performance in the role he created on Broadway, then an Oscar nod. In 1957, the actor appeared in three other films, "This Could Be the Night," "A Face in the Crowd" and "Wild Is the Wind." Franciosa's career continued in high gear with such films as "The Long Hot Summer," "The Naked Maja" (as Goya), "The Story on Page One," "Period of Adjustment," "Rio Conchos" and "The Pleasure Seekers." The actor's behavior on movie productions became the subject of Hollywood gossip. The stories alleged fiery disputes with directors, sulks in his dressing room, outbursts with other actors. "I went out to Hollywood in the mid-1950s," he remarked in a 1996 interview, "and I would say I went there a little too early. It was an incredible amount of attention, and I wasn't quite mature enough psychologically and emotionally for it." Franciosa's assertive attitude extended beyond movie stages; in 1957 he served 10 days in the Los Angeles County jail for slugging a press photographer. His reputation contributed to the downturn in Hollywood offers, and his career veered to European-made films and television. His first TV series, "Valentine's Day," cast him as a swinging New York publishing executive involved in numerous romances. It lasted one season (1964-'65). In "The Name of the Game" (1968-71) Franciosa alternated with Gene Barry and Robert Stack as adventurous members of a Los Angeles publishing firm. In 1971 the producing company, Universal Pictures, fired him from the series, charging erratic behavior. He countered that the company had treated him badly and demanded that he take a pay cut. The 1975 TV series "Matt Helm," with Franciosa as a wisecracking detective, was canceled after half a season. He was born Anthony Papaleo in October 1928, in New York City. He was 1 when his father disappeared, and the boy grew up tough in Manhattan slums. "Getting in the first blow was something I learned in childhood," he said in an interview. After working in odd jobs and sometimes sleeping in flophouses, at 18 he attended an audition for actors at the YMCA. and was chosen for two plays. He later studied at the Actors Studio and the New School for Social Research. Adopting his mother's maiden name, Franciosa, he began getting roles in television and the theater. "A Hatful of Rain" made him a star. Besides Winters, Franciosa was married to writer Beatrice Bakalyar and real estate agent Judy Kanter, with whom he had a daughter, Nina. His lasting marriage was to Rita Thiel, a German fashion model. They had sons Christopher and Marco. ___ Associated Press Writer John Antczak contributed to this report. Besides Hugh, I believe Tony was the most well known of the Probe Agents from SEARCH. Unfortunetly, the show was not even mentioned in this particular article, which goes to show how little people know about this gem. I liked Tony as Nick Bianca, and in reality, saw more episodes of him in their original broadcast. For me, as a child, "he was SEARCH". I had not seen the pilot, until much later, so I was surprised that he was not in it. Later, I saw him in Matt Helm. Not being a fan of "Name Of the Game" I didn't really know him from that particular program. We will miss him, dearly, and all of our prayers go to his wife and family as they go through this time of mourning. Skip Brown 3485 From: Date: Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:15pm Subject: In Memoriam: Tony Franciosa (1928 - 2006) probecontrol >In case you had not heard, one of our dear Probe Agents has passed on. Tony Franciosa died in Los Angeles, yesterday, due to a massive stroke. He was 77. ========= Sad, sad news indeed, Skip. Thank you for passing along the article. Jim Alexander 3486 From: actingman@... Date: Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:18pm Subject: Re: In Memoriam: Tony Franciosa (1928 - 2006) actingman_jc Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn. If it is any consolation, they also did not mention Finder of Lost Loves...which was dreadful. Thanks for posting this. I had not heard a thing. I canceled my subscription to TV Guide, but if anyone out there want's to email them, they should remind them about Search and that there was a TV Guide cover of Franciosa in Search. Do it quickly, and maybe they will mention Search if they do a "In Tribute" to him...maybe even show the Search cover. If anybody out there sees an "In Tribute" to him that mentions Search...please let us know. -----Original Message----- >From: Skip Brown >Sent: Jan 20, 2006 4:07 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [probe_control] In Memoriam: Tony Franciosa (1928 - 2006) > >In case you had not heard, one of our dear Probe Agents has passed on. >Tony Franciosa died in Los Angeles, yesterday, due to a massive >stroke. He was 77. > >Here is a repost of news off the wire: > >Anthony Franciosa Dies at Age 77 > >Published: 1/20/06, 3:24 PM EDT > >LOS ANGELES (AP) - Anthony Franciosa, whose strong portrayals of >moody, troubled characters made him a Hollywood star in the 1950s >and '60s but whose combative behavior on movie sets hampered his >career, has died, his publicist said Friday. He was 77. > >Franciosa died Thursday at UCLA Medical Center after suffering a >massive stroke, publicist Dick Guttman said. The actor's wife of more >than 35 years, Rita, and other family members were present. > >Franciosa was part of a new wave in the mid-20th century who >revolutionized film acting with their introspective, intensely >realistic approach to their roles. Most of them were schooled in the >method acting of New York's Actors Studio. They included Marlon >Brando, James Dean, Rod Steiger, Shelley Winters and Paul Newman. > >Franciosa was once married to Winters, who died last weekend. > >From his first important film role as the brother of a drug addict >in "A Hatful of Rain," Franciosa became known for his portrayals of >complicated young men. He received a 1956 Tony nomination for his >performance in the role he created on Broadway, then an Oscar nod. In >1957, the actor appeared in three other films, "This Could Be the >Night," "A Face in the Crowd" and "Wild Is the Wind." > >Franciosa's career continued in high gear with such films as "The >Long Hot Summer," "The Naked Maja" (as Goya), "The Story on Page >One," "Period of Adjustment," "Rio Conchos" and "The Pleasure >Seekers." > >The actor's behavior on movie productions became the subject of >Hollywood gossip. The stories alleged fiery disputes with directors, >sulks in his dressing room, outbursts with other actors. > >"I went out to Hollywood in the mid-1950s," he remarked in a 1996 >interview, "and I would say I went there a little too early. It was >an incredible amount of attention, and I wasn't quite mature enough >psychologically and emotionally for it." > >Franciosa's assertive attitude extended beyond movie stages; in 1957 >he served 10 days in the Los Angeles County jail for slugging a press >photographer. His reputation contributed to the downturn in Hollywood >offers, and his career veered to European-made films and television. > >His first TV series, "Valentine's Day," cast him as a swinging New >York publishing executive involved in numerous romances. It lasted >one season (1964-'65). > >In "The Name of the Game" (1968-71) Franciosa alternated with Gene >Barry and Robert Stack as adventurous members of a Los Angeles >publishing firm. In 1971 the producing company, Universal Pictures, >fired him from the series, charging erratic behavior. He countered >that the company had treated him badly and demanded that he take a >pay cut. > >The 1975 TV series "Matt Helm," with Franciosa as a wisecracking >detective, was canceled after half a season. > >He was born Anthony Papaleo in October 1928, in New York City. He was >1 when his father disappeared, and the boy grew up tough in Manhattan >slums. "Getting in the first blow was something I learned in >childhood," he said in an interview. > >After working in odd jobs and sometimes sleeping in flophouses, at 18 >he attended an audition for actors at the YMCA. and was chosen for >two plays. He later studied at the Actors Studio and the New School >for Social Research. Adopting his mother's maiden name, Franciosa, he >began getting roles in television and the theater. "A Hatful of Rain" >made him a star. > >Besides Winters, Franciosa was married to writer Beatrice Bakalyar >and real estate agent Judy Kanter, with whom he had a daughter, Nina. >His lasting marriage was to Rita Thiel, a German fashion model. They >had sons Christopher and Marco. > >___ > >Associated Press Writer John Antczak contributed to this report. > >Besides Hugh, I believe Tony was the most well known of the Probe >Agents from SEARCH. Unfortunetly, the show was not even mentioned in >this particular article, which goes to show how little people know >about this gem. > >I liked Tony as Nick Bianca, and in reality, saw more episodes of him >in their original broadcast. For me, as a child, "he was SEARCH". I >had not seen the pilot, until much later, so I was surprised that he >was not in it. > >Later, I saw him in Matt Helm. Not being a fan of "Name Of the Game" >I didn't really know him from that particular program. > >We will miss him, dearly, and all of our prayers go to his wife and >family as they go through this time of mourning. > >Skip Brown 3487 From: yorktowncmdr@... Date: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:57pm Subject: Re: In Memoriam: Tony Franciosa (1928 - 2006) worldsecanalyst Thank you for posting. I haven't heard anything today either. I know many who'll be saddened, and he will be missed. End Run, David 3488 From: dmanmetz@... Date: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:13pm Subject: Re: In Memoriam: Tony Franciosa (1928 - 2006) dmanmetz@... I too was sadden that we lost our Nick Bianco AKA Mr. Tony Franciosa. How ironic that he would pass away a week after his ex-wife Shelly (The Poseidon Adventure) Winters. Wow, the times are really changing. Another childhood hero passes away. Now, I guess I know how my dad felt when Steve McQueen died. Funny that Tony Franciosa's last role was in the 1996 Drama City Hall with Al Pacino. Even though the movie was not a big hit, I do remember him getting good reviews for the movie. That was ten years ago. What happened? Did he decide to retire or did Hollywood just write him off as an old over the hill actor. Well, we can always cherish our memories of him on film and especially on Search. Rest in Peace Tony. Chris 3489 From: "ronaldheld" Date: Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:52pm Subject: Re: In Memoriam: Tony Franciosa (1928 - 2006) ronaldheld Very Bad news! --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >In case you had not heard, one of our dear Probe Agents has > passed on. Tony Franciosa died in Los Angeles, yesterday, > due to a massive stroke. He was 77. > ========= > Sad, sad news indeed, Skip. Thank you for passing along the > article. > > Jim Alexander > 3490 From: R P Date: Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:35pm Subject: Re: In Memoriam: Tony Franciosa (1928 - 2006) tinatylerfan You should seek out episodes of THE NAME OF THE GAME, Skip. For my money, Franciosa's best work on either the large or small screen was done in this series, ESPECIALLY the series pilot, entitled : FAME IS THE NAME OF THE GAME. co-starring Jill St. John and Susan St. James. On a separate note, I just saw Susan St. James last week....she still looks GORGEOUS ! R.I.P., Tony..... actingman@... wrote: Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn. If it is any consolation, they also did not mention Finder of Lost Loves...which was dreadful. Thanks for posting this. I had not heard a thing. I canceled my subscription to TV Guide, but if anyone out there want's to email them, they should remind them about Search and that there was a TV Guide cover of Franciosa in Search. Do it quickly, and maybe they will mention Search if they do a "In Tribute" to him...maybe even show the Search cover. If anybody out there sees an "In Tribute" to him that mentions Search...please let us know. -----Original Message----- >From: Skip Brown >Sent: Jan 20, 2006 4:07 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [probe_control] In Memoriam: Tony Franciosa (1928 - 2006) > >In case you had not heard, one of our dear Probe Agents has passed on. >Tony Franciosa died in Los Angeles, yesterday, due to a massive >stroke. He was 77. > >Here is a repost of news off the wire: > >Anthony Franciosa Dies at Age 77 > >Published: 1/20/06, 3:24 PM EDT > >LOS ANGELES (AP) - Anthony Franciosa, whose strong portrayals of >moody, troubled characters made him a Hollywood star in the 1950s >and '60s but whose combative behavior on movie sets hampered his >career, has died, his publicist said Friday. He was 77. > >Franciosa died Thursday at UCLA Medical Center after suffering a >massive stroke, publicist Dick Guttman said. The actor's wife of more >than 35 years, Rita, and other family members were present. > >Franciosa was part of a new wave in the mid-20th century who >revolutionized film acting with their introspective, intensely >realistic approach to their roles. Most of them were schooled in the >method acting of New York's Actors Studio. They included Marlon >Brando, James Dean, Rod Steiger, Shelley Winters and Paul Newman. > >Franciosa was once married to Winters, who died last weekend. > >From his first important film role as the brother of a drug addict >in "A Hatful of Rain," Franciosa became known for his portrayals of >complicated young men. He received a 1956 Tony nomination for his >performance in the role he created on Broadway, then an Oscar nod. In >1957, the actor appeared in three other films, "This Could Be the >Night," "A Face in the Crowd" and "Wild Is the Wind." > >Franciosa's career continued in high gear with such films as "The >Long Hot Summer," "The Naked Maja" (as Goya), "The Story on Page >One," "Period of Adjustment," "Rio Conchos" and "The Pleasure >Seekers." > >The actor's behavior on movie productions became the subject of >Hollywood gossip. The stories alleged fiery disputes with directors, >sulks in his dressing room, outbursts with other actors. > >"I went out to Hollywood in the mid-1950s," he remarked in a 1996 >interview, "and I would say I went there a little too early. It was >an incredible amount of attention, and I wasn't quite mature enough >psychologically and emotionally for it." > >Franciosa's assertive attitude extended beyond movie stages; in 1957 >he served 10 days in the Los Angeles County jail for slugging a press >photographer. His reputation contributed to the downturn in Hollywood >offers, and his career veered to European-made films and television. > >His first TV series, "Valentine's Day," cast him as a swinging New >York publishing executive involved in numerous romances. It lasted >one season (1964-'65). > >In "The Name of the Game" (1968-71) Franciosa alternated with Gene >Barry and Robert Stack as adventurous members of a Los Angeles >publishing firm. In 1971 the producing company, Universal Pictures, >fired him from the series, charging erratic behavior. He countered >that the company had treated him badly and demanded that he take a >pay cut. > >The 1975 TV series "Matt Helm," with Franciosa as a wisecracking >detective, was canceled after half a season. > >He was born Anthony Papaleo in October 1928, in New York City. He was >1 when his father disappeared, and the boy grew up tough in Manhattan >slums. "Getting in the first blow was something I learned in >childhood," he said in an interview. > >After working in odd jobs and sometimes sleeping in flophouses, at 18 >he attended an audition for actors at the YMCA. and was chosen for >two plays. He later studied at the Actors Studio and the New School >for Social Research. Adopting his mother's maiden name, Franciosa, he >began getting roles in television and the theater. "A Hatful of Rain" >made him a star. > >Besides Winters, Franciosa was married to writer Beatrice Bakalyar >and real estate agent Judy Kanter, with whom he had a daughter, Nina. >His lasting marriage was to Rita Thiel, a German fashion model. They >had sons Christopher and Marco. > >___ > >Associated Press Writer John Antczak contributed to this report. > >Besides Hugh, I believe Tony was the most well known of the Probe >Agents from SEARCH. Unfortunetly, the show was not even mentioned in >this particular article, which goes to show how little people know >about this gem. > >I liked Tony as Nick Bianca, and in reality, saw more episodes of him >in their original broadcast. For me, as a child, "he was SEARCH". I >had not seen the pilot, until much later, so I was surprised that he >was not in it. > >Later, I saw him in Matt Helm. Not being a fan of "Name Of the Game" >I didn't really know him from that particular program. > >We will miss him, dearly, and all of our prayers go to his wife and >family as they go through this time of mourning. > >Skip Brown 3491 From: "Tom Dyer" Date: Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:31am Subject: VIA CON DIOS, OMEGA PROBE tdyermobile6 The Name of the Game, Search, Matt Helm, and one of my favorite TV movies, Earth 2...Im gonna miss that guy! -T 3492 From: yorktowncmdr@... Date: Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:20am Subject: Re: VIA CON DIOS, OMEGA PROBE worldsecanalyst Offline Send Email Earth2. Was that the movie with Gary Lockwood and Gary Merrill? I haven't seen it in ages. I don't remember Tony Franciosa being in it. > Earth 2 3493 From: STEPHEN RUSELL Date: Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:10am Subject: Re: Wishful dreaming secretconcierge 1st Id have SciFic Channel pick up the show. & Id have Kiefer Sutherland (24). In some role & have these as Probe Control supervisors, mgrs: Lee Majors, Bob Conrad, William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, (cameo roles on Video etc). Setting: LA CA area. & global field offices. New Probe Control Center set. New FX used CGI. Show name: SEARCH 2 NEXT GEN??? SEARCH 2. This time Armed agents for roles. Nice. Bill wrote: Hello everyone, I'm a new member and remember watching this show with great fondness. I've always had a secret wish that someday one of the networks would pick up this show and create more episodes. In reality, I know that won't happen but if it did, which of today's stars would be a good fit for the characters created by Hugh O'Brian, Doug McClure, Burgess Meredith and Tony Franciosa? Bill 3494 From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:04pm Subject: RE: In Memoriam: Tony Franciosa (1928 - 2006) martadawes Hollywood has written everyone over 30 off as too old, and it's a shame. Independent filmmakers treasure their talent and experience so much more; Peter Mark Richman was in "Poolhall Junkies," an independent film that didn't make many waves, but at least he had some visibility. Tony would have been great in that same role, or one like it, so it's too bad he had either retired or wasn't approached for it. He'll be missed. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! All we are saying is...give Peace a chance. John Lennon May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon. Big Jim McBob and Billy Sol Hurok -----Original Message----- From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dmanmetz@... Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:14 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [probe_control] In Memoriam: Tony Franciosa (1928 - 2006) I too was sadden that we lost our Nick Bianco AKA Mr. Tony Franciosa. How ironic that he would pass away a week after his ex-wife Shelly (The Poseidon Adventure) Winters. Wow, the times are really changing. Another childhood hero passes away. Now, I guess I know how my dad felt when Steve McQueen died. Funny that Tony Franciosa's last role was in the 1996 Drama City Hall with Al Pacino. Even though the movie was not a big hit, I do remember him getting good reviews for the movie. That was ten years ago. What happened? Did he decide to retire or did Hollywood just write him off as an old over the hill actor. Well, we can always cherish our memories of him on film and especially on Search. Rest in Peace Tony. Chris 3495 From: STEPHEN RUSELL Date: Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:18pm Subject: Re: VIA CON DIOS, OMEGA PROBE secretconcierge Yes, Tony was the pro nuclear scientist on MGM TV Earth 2 movie. Quaint sets now vs what they can do Today. Maybe on DVD??? yorktowncmdr@... wrote: Earth2. Was that the movie with Gary Lockwood and Gary Merrill? I haven't seen it in ages. I don't remember Tony Franciosa being in it. > Earth 2 3496 From: "Stephen Russell" Date: Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:06pm Subject: Bio with Search mentioned secretconcierge LA Daily News ran Bio on Tony F & under photo it mentioned 1972 TV SHOW SEARCH. Otherwise the stuff weve read about. Contact Critics Choice Video for Search on DVD etc sites. TVLand??? Adventure Channel. CBS Espionage channel due??? FYI. 3497 From: "burnettewomack" Date: Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:52pm Subject: Goodbye Tony burnettewomack Thanks for the good times and great fun you contributed to Search. Funny, how CNN's report skips from "Name of the Game" to "Matt Helm" with no mention of Search ... or is it just typical. 3498 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:38pm Subject: Re: In Memoriam: Tony Franciosa (1928 - 2006) gfwillmetts Hello everyone Outside of Search, I remember Tony Franciosa is the film 'Fathom' with Raquel 'I can't remember which knickers I wore in the bullring' Welch. Can't think of anyone else who could have made that part work. Geoff 3499 From: Mark Speck Date: Sun Jan 22, 2006 0:13am Subject: Re: In Memoriam--Tony Franciosa (1928-2006) elvimark Hey Guys! Well, another great one is gone. Over the years, I enjoyed Franciosa in so many things--Name of the Game, Search, and guest shots galore. He had a nice turn as a murderous mystery author on Jake and the Fatman early on in that series. Hell, I even remember a couple of Matt Helm eps that were pretty good! I was very surprised to find out that Universal fired him from NOTG for being uncontrollable. Amazing! And it was quite ironic that he should pass away a weekend after his ex-wife, Shelley Winters. One thing I noticed about all the obits in the newspapers, and I wonder if any of you caught it: they made mention of Tony's obscure sitcom, Valentine's Day, as well as NOTG and Matt Helm...but NO MENTION made of Search! Guess our little show didn't make much of an impact on whoever wrote the obit. :( RIP, Mr. Franciosa, and thank you for everything... Best, Mark 3500 From: dmanmetz@... Date: Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:50pm Subject: Re: Re: In Memoriam--Tony Franciosa (1928-2006) dmanmetz@... I think in retrospect that the majority of people who remember Search outside of our group associate it as Hugh O'Brian's show. Not Tony Franciosa or Doug McClure's show. My theory: A.) The show has not been shown in the United States since 1973! That's 33 years ago and counting. B.) Search was not a big hit for begin with, which means that the majority people weren't watching NBC on Wed nights at 10:00PM C.) The only showing of Search in the US since it's cancellation is the Probe pilot movie shown in syndication starring Hugh O'Brian. D.) You really have to go digging hard to find out that Search even exsisted. Chris 3501 From: "Mike" Date: Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:21am Subject: Re: In Memoriam--Tony Franciosa (1928-2006) kc8nqa Hello ALL, I just got a chance to check the Probecontrol message board. Tony was in my opinion tied for my favorite Probe Agent. Although, each of the actors were great in their own ways. Odd, My brother and I just talk about Tony "Bianco" yesterday in regard to our favorite Probe Agents. Thanks for all the contributions you made to the acting profession. My prayers go out to his family and friends. Rest In Peace Tony. Mike --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, Mark Speck wrote: > > Hey Guys! > > Well, another great one is gone. > > Over the years, I enjoyed Franciosa in so many > things--Name of the Game, Search, and guest shots > galore. He had a nice turn as a murderous mystery > author on Jake and the Fatman early on in that series. > Hell, I even remember a couple of Matt Helm eps that > were pretty good! > > I was very surprised to find out that Universal fired > him from NOTG for being uncontrollable. Amazing! And > it was quite ironic that he should pass away a weekend > after his ex-wife, Shelley Winters. > > One thing I noticed about all the obits in the > newspapers, and I wonder if any of you caught it: they > made mention of Tony's obscure sitcom, Valentine's > Day, as well as NOTG and Matt Helm...but NO MENTION > made of Search! Guess our little show didn't make much > of an impact on whoever wrote the obit. :( > > RIP, Mr. Franciosa, and thank you for everything... > > Best, > > Mark 3502 From: "Stephen Russell" Date: Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:10am Subject: Probe & Myspace secretconcierge We could join for FREE Myspace?? Myspace benefits: 44M users Globalwide 5M for LA CA alone. Many artists, bands & creative types alone. IE CGI, Tech Art, scripting, screenwriting, etc. actors Just post your Personal Profile Business/Personal. & Personal. All ages. Then maybe we can get a new SEARCH show going via the cables: Hallmark TV Sci Fic Channel Court TV??? Adventure Channel. Bravo??? Using CGI & photos we can recreate Probe Control to be EVEN BETTER with: Holographic displays microimplants in agents. GPS tracked cars. multiphase optics etc. now in vogue vs 70s era. Have living old cast play some role cameo??? Ideas??? See MYSPACE.COM 3503 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:36am Subject: OT: Jill St. John probecontrol R P wrote: > On a separate note, I just saw Susan St. James last week....she still > looks GORGEOUS ! ====================== You saw the goddess 'in person', R P, or on something she did on the tube recently? Jim Alexander 3504 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:32am Subject: Rest in Peace, Franciosa and McClure probecontrol Since we're remembering our special 'friends' who've passed on, I just wanted to share this photograph of the wonderful Doug McClure I just ran across, while looking at Henry Darrow's website. http://www.henrydarrow.com/zorro_photo_gallery_iii.htm What a great smile the man had, huh? ;) Jim Alexander 3505 From: "Michael Beacom" Date: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:08pm Subject: RE: Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs anonimity_2003 I don't know if it was mentioned yet, but another series that takes a major hit from having the music replaces is The Greatest American hero. One particular episode revolves around the Aliens warning our hero that nuclear war is near by playing "Eve of Destruction" ---- in the boxed released sets it's been replaced by some meaningless low cost piece by some unknowns, and it completely ruined the episode. For Movies on DVD, Love at First Bite is one. You have a disco joke wherein George Hamilton as Dracula dances to "I love the nightlife". Apparently they did not secure the video rights and so something else has been dubbed in its place, and the beat of the music is even wrong. Michael Beacom mjbeacom@... ----- Original Message ----- From: dghprobe3 To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/10/2006 12:42:30 AM Subject: [probe_control] Re: Music Rights in Older TV programs Other shows affected by changes in the original music include "WKRP in Cincinnati" and "Miami Vice." In most cases, the music selections pertained directly to the plot and enhanced the particular segment. When such music gets replaced with kazoo-like muzak, it ruins the original effect. Funny thing. Notice that whenever someone like Ted Turner wants to colorize an old movie that he himself owns, nearly all of Hollywood gets up in arms over it. "It wasn't meant to be released that way," etc. These changes in music weren't meant to be released that way either, but you hear a very loud silence about it from the usual sources. Wonder why nobody out there will stand up for the musicians? Or at least help complain on their behalf? Interesting also that the movie and TV artists fought long and hard for those royalty rights, and the studios agreed to them, yet those same rights are worthless if studios can replace with cheap substitutions. So much for having royalty rights. When the DVD format first appeared, we all rejoiced because it was promised that we would finally be able to get pristine, high quality recordings of our favorite movies and shows as they originally appeared in prime time. It ain't that way no more. Funny that we didn't seem to have this type of problem with VHS releases, at least not to this extent. I suppose we could write and protest what they are doing, but it would take real numbers to get anyone's attention. The studios figure the average Joe isn't going to notice. While cutting corners to make a better bottom line, the studios can't see that they are ruining their shows at the same time. The only way to get genuine versions of your favorite shows is to record them when they first air. If this re-editing gets any worse, fans will have to abandon these increasingly botched DVD sets of shows and look instead toward trading with those who recorded your favorites when they first ran. --Don 3506 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:09pm Subject: TF - Google News & Earthtimes article dghprobe3 As posted in "The Name of the Game" Yahoo group: http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/nameofthegame/ I'd been offline for a couple of days and just got the news in a phone call this morning. Went ahead and taped ABC's "This Week" and they ran an "In Memoriam" clip of TF and Paul Newman from "The Drowning Pool." I'll be adding this and any other similar video items to future NOTG and Search DVDs. Somewhere in their vaults, Turner Classic Movies has one or more videotaped interviews with Mr. Franciosa. Hopefully they will make use of this footage in their various biographical specials in the future. A Google News Search will bring up the various online articles and tributes to Anthony Franciosa. Interesting also to note that his ex- wife Shelley Winters had passed away a few days prior: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=% 2BFranciosa&btnG=Search+News Earthtimes also has an article which includes a pic of TF from Search (that postcard pic from "Iceman" but with the background removed): http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/5081.html Star of 50's, 60's Anthony Franciosa dies of stroke Posted on : 2006-01-22 | Author : James Simpson News Category : Entertainment LOS ANGELES: Anthony Franciosa, star of the 50's and 60's, known for his intense portrayals of moody, troubled characters died Thursday night at the UCLA Medical Center. The 77-year old actor was admitted here after he suffered a massive stroke on Monday. Franciosa began his career on Broadway and later moved up to Hollywood. He belonged to the group of actors who revolutionized acting on screen, by bringing a touch of realism to their portrayals. Known as the 'method acting' school, it had such illustrious names as Marlon Brando, Rod Steiger, Paul Newman, James Dean. Franciosa's former wife Shelley Winters who died last Saturday, also belonged to this group. Women considered him rakishly handsome and his portrayals of complicate brooding young men won him many accolades. His first moment in the spotlight came in 1956 when he received a Tony nomination for his strong performance in the play 'A Hatful of Rain' in which he played the brother of a drug addict. His run of success continued in Hollywood with films such as 'The Long Hot Summer', 'The Story on Page One', 'The Naked Maja' 'Rio Conchos', 'Period of Adjustment' and 'The Pleasure Seekers'. The actor later developed a combative nature which put him in disfavor with movie production houses. He was alleged to have fiery arguments with his directors and co-actors. His career on television was also short-lived because of such behavior. He was fired from the 1971 TV series 'The Name of the Game' for his 'erratic behavior'. His career ended with fewer offers from Hollywood and a few appearances on TV and in European films. --- In probe_control, "Skip Brown" wrote: > > In case you had not heard, one of our dear Probe Agents has passed on. > Tony Franciosa died in Los Angeles, yesterday, due to a massive > stroke. He was 77... 3507 From: "Bill" Date: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:34pm Subject: Re: Wishful dreaming bill0718 I like the way you think, Stephen! other show names: Search v2.0 Search-Phase II Search International Some ideas for other probe agents: Ben Bowder (John Crichton, Farscape) George Eads (Nick Stokes, CSI) David Boreanaz (Seeley Booth, Bones) and how about a woman probe agent? Melissa George (Lauren Reed, 3rd Season Alias) comes to mind --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, STEPHEN RUSELL wrote: > > 1st Id have SciFic Channel pick up the show. > & Id have > Kiefer Sutherland (24). > In some role & have these as Probe Control supervisors, mgrs: > Lee Majors, Bob Conrad, William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, > (cameo roles on Video etc). > Setting: LA CA area. > & global field offices. > New Probe Control Center set. > New FX used > CGI. > Show name: > SEARCH 2 NEXT GEN??? > SEARCH 2. > This time Armed agents for roles. > Nice. > > > Bill wrote: > Hello everyone, > I'm a new member and remember watching this show with great fondness. > I've always had a secret wish that someday one of the networks would > pick up this show and create more episodes. In reality, I know that > won't happen but if it did, which of today's stars would be a good fit > for the characters created by Hugh O'Brian, Doug McClure, Burgess > Meredith and Tony Franciosa? > > Bill 3508 From: Buster1033@... Date: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:48pm Subject: Re Tony Franciosa buster1033 I think my first memory of Tony was on "The Name Of the Game" -- again another sort of forgotten show of the mid sixties, seventies. He was s000-0000 cute, sweet w/Susan St James as the secretary of the group. He was my reason for watching Search in the first place--I even have a soundtrack of "Finder of Lost Loves" even tho the show wasn't all that good. I watched it for him. That delectable smile. Those eyes. He was wonderful. Terri -- 3509 From: "Bill" Date: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:35pm Subject: Re: Wishful dreaming bill0718 I like the way you think, Stephen! other show names: Search v2.0 Search-Phase II Search International Some ideas for other probe agents: Ben Bowder (John Crichton, Farscape) George Eads (Nick Stokes, CSI) David Boreanaz (Seeley Booth, Bones) and how about a woman probe agent? Melissa George (Lauren Reed, 3rd Season Alias) comes to mind --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, STEPHEN RUSELL wrote: > > 1st Id have SciFic Channel pick up the show. > & Id have > Kiefer Sutherland (24). > In some role & have these as Probe Control supervisors, mgrs: > Lee Majors, Bob Conrad, William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, > (cameo roles on Video etc). > Setting: LA CA area. > & global field offices. > New Probe Control Center set. > New FX used > CGI. > Show name: > SEARCH 2 NEXT GEN??? > SEARCH 2. > This time Armed agents for roles. > Nice. > > > Bill wrote: > Hello everyone, > I'm a new member and remember watching this show with great fondness. > I've always had a secret wish that someday one of the networks would > pick up this show and create more episodes. In reality, I know that > won't happen but if it did, which of today's stars would be a good fit > for the characters created by Hugh O'Brian, Doug McClure, Burgess > Meredith and Tony Franciosa? > > Bill 3510 From: "Bill" Date: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:39pm Subject: Re: Wishful dreaming bill0718 Oh yes, I almost forgot. How about Zach Galifianakis (Davis on Tru Calling) as the technical lead in probe control? --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, STEPHEN RUSELL wrote: > > 1st Id have SciFic Channel pick up the show. > & Id have > Kiefer Sutherland (24). > In some role & have these as Probe Control supervisors, mgrs: > Lee Majors, Bob Conrad, William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, > (cameo roles on Video etc). > Setting: LA CA area. > & global field offices. > New Probe Control Center set. > New FX used > CGI. > Show name: > SEARCH 2 NEXT GEN??? > SEARCH 2. > This time Armed agents for roles. > Nice. > > > Bill wrote: > Hello everyone, > I'm a new member and remember watching this show with great fondness. > I've always had a secret wish that someday one of the networks would > pick up this show and create more episodes. In reality, I know that > won't happen but if it did, which of today's stars would be a good fit > for the characters created by Hugh O'Brian, Doug McClure, Burgess > Meredith and Tony Franciosa? > > Bill 3511 From: "Stephen Russell" Date: Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:01pm Subject: New Search titles secretconcierge Contact Myspace theres a group for Next Gen multimedia dev from Myspace ( source for new Search)???? Titles: Search 2 Search the Next Missions. Search 3.0 Search1 Search Omega. In case Probe Control Central is HIT or knocked out, Corp can switch agents to Probe Control Centers in: Rome Berlin Miami Wash DC Seattle Santa Fe Denver Osaka In pre set Forward Field Hqs centers. Agents enter thru hidden panels/ doors or Main door with ID tag. Probe Control 'cover': Hotel Spa Office tower Bus Ind Park Airport etc to house the Underground Probe Control or cement encased Probe Control. Corp has modifed 747 t