#3867 From: "Morningstar" Date: Mon May 1, 2006 6:45 am Subject: Re: OT: "Hawaii Five-O" am2star Most of the television series paid residuals for only the first three runs in syndication. I think this changed in the late 1970s or early 1980s. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Richard D. Perez" wrote: > > Most stations that take FIVE-O take a package of cherry-picked 200 > episodes. Hardly anyone airs the 1978-80 seasons. They have also been > edited to add more time for commercials. > > This show is a particular cash cow for Viacom, since most of the actors > are dead, and Jim MacArthur's right to residuals ran out long ago. > > Morningstar wrote: > > A local station is running "Hawaii Five-O" weeknights at 3:00 am. > > > > http://www.kshb.com/kshb/c38_programming/0,1925,KSHB_9394,00.html > > > > I would imagine that it is far easier to syndicate these old programs, > > since the contracts have been in existance for syndication for years > > and years. However, dvd, and videotape before, are a new thing. And, > > ownership is not the same as broadcast (syndication) rights. I am no > > expert, but I understand the workings of the industry. #3868 From: "Morningstar" Date: Mon May 1, 2006 6:50 am Subject: Re: Links am2star Of course, it is caveat emptor. And, I am holding my breath for nothing. There are many series and movies that I have yet to see on dvd, but I doubt that I will buy any grey-market discs in the near future. And, beyond that, even "official" releases are suspect. The first season of "Kung Fu" was cropped to make it letterboxed. Then, the subsequent seasons were the correct framing. Why? So, I have not purchased "Kung Fu." --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Richard D. Perez" wrote: > > Well, using your caveat, you'll be turning blue waiting for some series > to be released. > > The gray market is the only way some shows will ever be seen again. If > you pick your shots, you can be successful without getting burned. > > While you may get stung by a bad copy or the occaisional ripoff, more > times than not, you will succeed. I have built quite a collection this way. > > Morningstar wrote: > > Having been a fan of television all of my life, I am anxious to see > > many of the great, classic series on dvd. > > > > Anyone can make dvds, now. Just like people could make copies of > > videotapes when the market opened up. Now, however, the packaging can > > look very professional. There is no way to know what the source is. > > > > With that in mind, I would avoind anything that is not mass-marketed, > > unless you are very familiar with the manufacturer. This will probably > > save disappointment in the long run. There is a consideration being > > "this or nothing," but I think that it is only a matter of time. I was > > shocked to see that the first season of "War of the Worlds" from 1987 > > was released. So, eventually eveything will be available. > > > > My primary source for dvd information is: > > > > http://www.dvdpricesearch.com > > > > There tends to be little information, but the releases are announced > > in a timely fashion. It is a search engine, so it can calculate the > > best price when you are ready to buy, and want to buy online. > > > > If course, using the Internet Movie DataBase, > > > > http://www.imdb.com/ > > > > is a great cross-reference. Plus, they are tied in with Amazon.com, so > > you can link to information about the media releases. > > > > These are certainly not the only resources, but I think that frequent > > use of these is advantageous. #3869 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Mon May 1, 2006 9:59 pm Subject: Re: Ongoing threads & list history dghprobe3 --- In probe_control, "Richard D. Perez" wrote: > Read my comment again. You will see I was NOT talking about cable > TV, but terrestrial TV in the 70s. ----------------------------- Richard: I read your comments again, which I reprint below. You began by mentioning "the 70s" only in passing, then the rest of your post concerns cable TV. So school is still open. :-) ----------------------------- http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/3856 OK, folks....school's open: The syndication business has changed greatly since the 70s. Single season shows made here were considered to be worthless to stations needing strippable product. However, overseas, most countries are used to short-run series. Virtually every failed US series was pitched to foreign TV markets. SEARCH is still a worthless commodity to most terrestrial stations here, but would easily work as weekend fare at cable networks such as SciFi, TV Land, American Life TV, Bravo, or even AOL's In2TV service, which relies on Warner for its content. Case in point: BAYWATCH was canceled by NBC, but it did so well in foreign markets that they took the unprecedented step of making more. How successful did it become? History shows. But then again, we're talking about the late 80's, not the 70's. Another odd point to consider: THE FUGITIVE, a hugely successful series, ran for four years on ABC. It's syndication life? Zero. The thought was, everyone knows how it ends, so why would anyone watch it? When A&E began in the mid 80s, they revived it by running it every day. Now, it's vanished again with no DVD release in sight. Moral: don't try to figure out the syndication business, as it changes with the tide. Richard D. Perez #3870 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Mon May 1, 2006 10:35 pm Subject: RE: Re: Warner stirring gfwillmetts Hello Don Just because a restriction is apparently lifted doesn't mean that its accomplished. We still need to show it would make Warners some profit of any kind before they'd even consider DVDing 'Search'. It might also pay to look and see if there are any other shows similar to 'Search' ie pissing off an executive and no national viewing that has been given a DVD life with some sales to join the argument. The only way an overseas/foreign release would happen is if they wanted to test the market before a home release so it again has to come from Warners US rather than a foreign branch. It has to be a policy decision at Warners. I mean the way executives get shifted in your companies, no one would be there for long. If it's a written policy then there has to be a way of getting a look at it some how. Combine that with it being forgotten and 'Search' is left on the shelf. If we are going to target people at Warners, I would think we need a name and address for those in marketing and sales but we'd need a big carrot to entice along with Search. Is there anything else they've neglected to show?? Hello Richard If there's something I've learnt about this business and reality in general, is it isn't always wise to talk in absolutes. Gotta go Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ *************************************************** #3871 From: "actingman_jc" Date: Mon May 1, 2006 11:24 pm Subject: Site Updates actingman_jc I have backed up all of the files and photos from the Yahoo list area and will slowly add them to www.probecontrol.com. First off I have added various articles that Don H. put together and had in the files section. They work far better on the web site because you can now see them and the accompanying images, without having to first download all of the content to your computer and then fix the links in the html that Yahoo managed to mangle. (Yahoo once let you do html with linked content...but that was a long time ago.) He has some interesting stuff there...the most important I think is a piece showing two frames from a cut filmed scene from The Murrow Disappearance, and the dialog that went with the scene. I have also moved Jim's meeting with HOB to that page, and there is also Carol's meeting with HOB there as well. The link to the viewer articles is at the bottom of the main page. I'll be adding more of the content as I can. I have also gotten the group messages archived to the beginning of this year, and should soon have it up to date. It is all in text format so you can download any and all of it and use a text search program to find any reference you are looking for...which should be faster than Yahoo's text search engine. #3872 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Tue May 2, 2006 3:28 am Subject: Re: Warner stirring dghprobe3 Hi Geoff: All points very well taken. Now we have to figure a way to make a presentation to Warners and let them know they don't know what they have sitting on their shelf. :-) And we have to figure out just who to contact, etc. We have some work cut out for us. --- In probe_control, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > Just because a restriction is apparently lifted doesn't mean that > its accomplished... #3873 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Tue May 2, 2006 3:21 pm Subject: Re: Re: Warner stirring rperez1025 The decision to market SEARCH on DVD might be moot if it stayed with Warner. However, a smaller 'boutique' company might consider acquiring the prints from WB in order to put them out. Such firms like SHOUT Factory, specialize in putting out product that will reach only a limited audience. The prints would have to then be assessed for condition, then digitally remastered, all of which costs money. Truth be told, WB highly touted its 50th anniversary, claiming they were going to open their vaults and release a number of TV series, which never happened. Too bad. The bean counters are in control. Geoff Willmetts wrote: > Hello Don > > Just because a restriction is apparently lifted doesn't mean that its > accomplished. We still need to show it would make Warners some profit of any > kind before they'd even consider DVDing 'Search'. It might also pay to look > and see if there are any other shows similar to 'Search' ie pissing off an > executive and no national viewing that has been given a DVD life with some > sales to join the argument. > > The only way an overseas/foreign release would happen is if they wanted to > test the market before a home release so it again has to come from Warners > US rather than a foreign branch. > > It has to be a policy decision at Warners. I mean the way executives get > shifted in your companies, no one would be there for long. If it's a written > policy then there has to be a way of getting a look at it some how. > Combine that with it being forgotten and 'Search' is left on the shelf. If > we are going to target people at Warners, I would think we need a name and > address for those in marketing and sales but we'd need a big carrot to > entice along with Search. Is there anything else they've neglected to show?? > > Hello Richard > > If there's something I've learnt about this business and reality in > general, is it isn't always wise to talk in absolutes. > > Gotta go > Geoff #3874 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Tue May 2, 2006 4:21 pm Subject: Re: Warner stirring dghprobe3 Years ago, Unicorn Video put out a VHS edition of the "Probe" pilot. It is now out of print. Looking over the box artwork, though, the graphix and lettering are very similar to Warner Home Video's artwork. It might be safe to guess there may be some connection between Unicorn and Warner. :-) Also, the pilot WAS syndicated in the U.S. as a TV movie during the 70's to early 90's, yet the series was treated separately from the get go as "export only." Maybe it's safe to guess that there is a difference in the rights between the pilot and the series. It's probably also a safe guess that we will have better luck getting the pilot released on DVD, maybe through Unicorn, maybe not. It could be a "foot in the door" that could eventually cause the series to be released. Then again maybe not. The real trouble is that Search is terribly handicapped due to the lack of exposure over the last 30 years. Also, short run shows like Kolchak, Galactica, The Time Tunnel, The Prisoner and others were also syndicated during the late 70's or were rerun on The CBS Late Movie, etc. So it's not just a cable vs. 70's terrestrial TV issue. -------------------------- --- In probe_control, "Richard D. Perez" wrote: > The decision to market SEARCH on DVD might be moot if it stayed with > Warner... #3875 From: "buynblind" Date: Tue May 2, 2006 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Warner stirring buynblind A few years back when I was working on the Warner lot I actually had access for a short time to their inventory database as I was working on putting together some special features for a DVD release. I did a search for "Search" of the storage facility in the Indiana salt mine, but found very little in the way of "Search" episodes. A lot of the elements were either missing or at least not catalogued. One episode may have had all the film elements, but the audio tracks were missing, that kind of stuff. Bottom line, even if Warners decided to put "Search" on DVD, I doubt they have all the elements they need to do it. Granted, the elements may be somewhere, but I have to wonder what kind of condition they are in. In fact, in the basement of the building I was working in, sat stacks of film cans of old forgotten Warner features. It's a shame, but unless there is a pristine copy of each episode hidden away somewhere, I doubt we will ever see this series on DVD. The money spent on manpower alone, just to dig up all the elements would be cost prohibitive. #3876 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Tue May 2, 2006 5:03 pm Subject: Re: Re: Warner stirring rperez1025 Back in the 70s, the networks broadcast film to air, using a 35mm print in NY and LA, and 16mm prints in a secondary location should something happen to the first. This means that there were at least 4 complete copies of each episode made and delivered to the network. They've gotta be somewhere. buynblind wrote: > A few years back when I was working on the Warner lot I actually had > access for a short time to their inventory database as I was working on > putting together some special features for a DVD release. I did a > search for "Search" of the storage facility in the Indiana salt mine, > but found very little in the way of "Search" episodes. A lot of the > elements were either missing or at least not catalogued. One episode > may have had all the film elements, but the audio tracks were missing, > that kind of stuff. Bottom line, even if Warners decided to > put "Search" on DVD, I doubt they have all the elements they need to do > it. Granted, the elements may be somewhere, but I have to wonder what > kind of condition they are in. In fact, in the basement of the building > I was working in, sat stacks of film cans of old forgotten Warner > features. It's a shame, but unless there is a pristine copy of each > episode hidden away somewhere, I doubt we will ever see this series on > DVD. The money spent on manpower alone, just to dig up all the elements > would be cost prohibitive. #3877 From: Date: Tue May 2, 2006 5:09 pm Subject: SEARCH Masters in Good Shape(?) probecontrol buynblind wrote: >A few years back when I was working on the Warner lot I actually had access for a short time to their inventory database as I was working on putting together some special features for a DVD release. I did a search for "Search" of the storage facility in the Indiana salt mine, but found very little in the way of "Search" episodes. =========== Indiana Salt mine?!?! My own Home State! Any idea what city we're talkin' about? ;) =========== >It's a shame, but unless there is a pristine copy of each episode hidden away somewhere, I doubt we will ever see this series on DVD. The money spent on manpower alone, just to dig up all the elements would be cost prohibitive. =============== To the above point: A listmember and I had some communication many, many months ago off-list, regarding details relating to this particular subject. My recollection is that this individual suggested SEARCH to The Programming Director at a certain high-profile pay-cable network. The series was considered for a brief moment, and then ultimately passed upon (due, it was said, to lack of recognition of the series and/or its guest stars). My point is--that Warner Bros. would not have been able to offer the series to interested parties if they didn't have good-quality prints available in their library. So, that particular aspect is GOOD news, anyway. :) I was asked to keep quiet about the circumstances at the time, but so much time has passed, I'm hoping that sharing the general details is all right. If the individual involved wishes to step forward and relate any specifics, please feel free to do so. :) Jim Alexander #3878 From: DBoysen@... Date: Tue May 2, 2006 5:26 pm Subject: Re: SEARCH Masters in Good Shape(?) buynblind Indiana Salt mine?!?! My own Home State! Any idea what city we're talkin' about? ;) Sorry Jim, I barely remember Indiana, and I may be wrong about that. To further the mystery, I even asked one of our Foreign Executives to ask the Head of Warner International Television if he could get me one or two episodes on VHS, but even he wasn't able to get a hold of anything. Of course he may just have been too busy to bother, but it seemed like he made an effort. ...and the SEARCH continues... -----Original Message----- From: probecontrol@... To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:09:29 -0500 Subject: [probe_control] SEARCH Masters in Good Shape(?) buynblind wrote: >A few years back when I was working on the Warner lot I actually had access for a short time to their inventory database as I was working on putting together some special features for a DVD release. I did a search for "Search" of the storage facility in the Indiana salt mine, but found very little in the way of "Search" episodes. =========== Indiana Salt mine?!?! My own Home State! Any idea what city we're talkin' about? ;) =========== >It's a shame, but unless there is a pristine copy of each episode hidden away somewhere, I doubt we will ever see this series on DVD. The money spent on manpower alone, just to dig up all the elements would be cost prohibitive. =============== To the above point: A listmember and I had some communication many, many months ago off-list, regarding details relating to this particular subject. My recollection is that this individual suggested SEARCH to The Programming Director at a certain high-profile pay-cable network. The series was considered for a brief moment, and then ultimately passed upon (due, it was said, to lack of recognition of the series and/or its guest stars). My point is--that Warner Bros. would not have been able to offer the series to interested parties if they didn't have good-quality prints available in their library. So, that particular aspect is GOOD news, anyway. :) I was asked to keep quiet about the circumstances at the time, but so much time has passed, I'm hoping that sharing the general details is all right. If the individual involved wishes to step forward and relate any specifics, please feel free to do so. :) Jim Alexander #3879 From: Date: Tue May 2, 2006 5:38 pm Subject: SEARCH and Film Stock probecontrol >Back in the 70s, the networks broadcast film to air, using a 35mm print in NY and LA, and 16mm prints in a secondary location should something happen to the first. This means that there were at least 4 complete copies of each episode made and delivered to the network. They've gotta be somewhere. ================= Richard is correct. However, those particular prints (unless they were properly stored/taken care of) most likely look like so many of the films clips on the probecontrol.com website. RED!!! :( I'm guessing that the 35mm Masters Richard mentions may have been well-taken care of--at least for awhile. But I doubt if those 16mm versions have survived in any way. The group has access to a 16m version of 'Let Us Prey' with original commercials. I remain curious as the the genesis of these 16mm prints. When I worked in TV in the 1980's, 16mm prints were the 'norm.' Episodes of everything from STAR TREK to HAPPY DAYS bicycled around different TV stations for air. But we all know that SEARCH never played in Domestic Syndication (as far as we know, anyway). So either the 16mm print of 'Prey' was produced for International distrubution (which isn't likely, because the commercials therin are period-dated and US-oriented), or it is one of the network-produced prints of which Richard speaks. However, our videotape copies of 'Prey' were made many, many years ago--during the time which that particular print was just beginning to turn pink. It's inevitable that that print (and most other prints from the era) are completely 'turned' now. There were different types of film used on which to produce these 35mm and 16mm prints, and I'm not an expert. But I know enough to be aware that the kind of film stock/process that was *most* often used resulted in the 'pink' prints that remain today. Jim Alexander #3880 From: actingman@... Date: Tue May 2, 2006 8:46 pm Subject: Re: Re: Warner stirring actingman_jc Do we have any contact info on Unicorn Video? I did a quick on-line search and found nothing...although I didn't have the Probe box in front of me to give me any clues where to look. -----Original Message----- >From: dghprobe3 >Sent: May 2, 2006 12:21 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [probe_control] Re: Warner stirring > > >It's probably also a safe guess that we will have better luck getting >the pilot released on DVD, maybe through Unicorn, maybe not. It could >be a "foot in the door" that could eventually cause the series to be >released. Then again maybe not. The real trouble is that Search is >terribly handicapped due to the lack of exposure over the last 30 >years. #3881 From: actingman@... Date: Tue May 2, 2006 8:48 pm Subject: Re: Re: Warner stirring actingman_jc Shout is a good idea to write to...along with Image. I like what they did with SCTV...they even left the station break bumpers in place...something I wish they all would do. -----Original Message----- >From: "Richard D. Perez" >Sent: May 2, 2006 11:21 AM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Warner stirring > > >However, a smaller 'boutique' company might consider acquiring the >prints from WB in order to put them out. Such firms like SHOUT Factory, >specialize in putting out product that will reach only a limited audience. #3882 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Tue May 2, 2006 10:42 pm Subject: Searching and breaks gfwillmetts Hello Don I never said it would be easy but without some plan of action we’re farting in a hurricane if you excuse the expression. There’s enough of us to starting looking around Warner Brothers series to wonder if any more had the Stevens treatment. Hello Richard What about those distributed abroad. Would those copies have been returned to the USA or would they have been vaulted or disposed of where they were sent?? Hello John I’m not always in agreement with showing episode breaks but the Search ones were fun although I saw the series without them originally. Geoff #3883 From: actingman@... Date: Tue May 2, 2006 11:00 pm Subject: Re: Searching and breaks actingman_jc True...not all of them were worth keeping...but I liked the ones that had some flavor of the show...usually a quick bit of the theme in a fanfare form. That is why I always liked the American ABC's having each show create their own "In Color" bumper...some shows put as much stylistic effort into the bumper as they did into the show itself. -----Original Message----- >From: Geoff Willmetts >Sent: May 2, 2006 6:42 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [probe_control] Searching and breaks > >Hello John > > I�m not always in agreement with showing episode breaks but the Search ones >were fun although I saw the series without them originally. > >Geoff #3884 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Wed May 3, 2006 1:17 am Subject: Re: Searching and breaks dghprobe3 --- In probe_control, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > What about those distributed abroad. Would those copies have been > returned to the USA or would they have been vaulted or disposed of > where they were sent?? Hi Geoff: All of our tapes of Search are from overseas sources, with the exception of tapes of the Probe/Search pilot movie, and the version of "Let Us Prey" with original commercials, which was an NBC 16mm backup print transferred to video by a collector. The first Search tapes we ran across were from Armed Forces Network showings during the 70's. We had to use these because there was no other choice at the time. They ran used and washed out looking 16mm prints, some were worse than others. The Trevor tapes (which Jim and I send out) were recorded off NBN around the western side of Australia, probably during the late 70's. These were used but very colorful 16mm prints, but the reception is clear as cable. Another set we have run across, the Russo tapes, were recorded off Network 10 in Sydney around 1982, and it was plain they were airing videos of 35mm network-type prints. However, these tapes were recorded using rabbit ears in a borderline fringe area, so most of the episodes contain a fair amount of static artifacts. Which is why we don't use or recommend these. However, the point is that Australia was airing videotapes of 35mm network-type prints of Search back in 1982. And the condition of the prints appeared to be good. If Warner had such prints in their vaults in 1982 for overseas use, they should still have good usable materials today. Certainly the Unicorn video of the Probe pilot was clear and pristine looking. As Jim mentioned for us again, Search apparently was offered to an outlet a few years ago, but was rejected. Maybe Warners should keep trying, keep offering until something breaks? Maybe we can encourage them to keep trying? #3885 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Wed May 3, 2006 1:47 am Subject: TV Guide article posted to Files dghprobe3 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/files 790728-1_LittleHouse2Yours.jpg Vintage 1979 TV Guide article on how shows were broadcast on network TV back in the day. 790728-2_LittleHouse2Yours.jpg Part 2 Since the topic has been brought up, I figured some might find this of historical interest. From 7-28-79, an old TV Guide article called "From Little House to Your House." It's about how shows were broadcast on network TV back in the day. It explains how the two 35mm and two 16mm prints that were made for each series were assembled and used. And it's how Search aired back then too. We can be sure that much of the process has gone digital nowadays. So, if anyone can update the article, please do so. :-) #3886 From: Nic Olinsky Date: Wed May 3, 2006 1:57 am Subject: Re: Re: Searching and breaks tutru Do we know the Mystery Channel had Search on their web site? I would think that was a list of possible series they could show. Would they have had/still come kind of broadcast quality dubs? On May 2, 2006, at 6:17 PM, dghprobe3 wrote: > --- In probe_control, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: >> What about those distributed abroad. Would those copies have been >> returned to the USA or would they have been vaulted or disposed of >> where they were sent?? > > Hi Geoff: All of our tapes of Search are from overseas sources, with > the exception of tapes of the Probe/Search pilot movie, and the > version of "Let Us Prey" with original commercials, which was an NBC > 16mm backup print transferred to video by a collector. > > The first Search tapes we ran across were from Armed Forces Network > showings during the 70's. We had to use these because there was no > other choice at the time. They ran used and washed out looking 16mm > prints, some were worse than others. > > The Trevor tapes (which Jim and I send out) were recorded off NBN > around the western side of Australia, probably during the late 70's. > These were used but very colorful 16mm prints, but the reception is > clear as cable. > > Another set we have run across, the Russo tapes, were recorded off > Network 10 in Sydney around 1982, and it was plain they were airing > videos of 35mm network-type prints. However, these tapes were > recorded using rabbit ears in a borderline fringe area, so most of the > episodes contain a fair amount of static artifacts. Which is why we > don't use or recommend these. > > However, the point is that Australia was airing videotapes of 35mm > network-type prints of Search back in 1982. And the condition of the > prints appeared to be good. If Warner had such prints in their vaults > in 1982 for overseas use, they should still have good usable materials > today. Certainly the Unicorn video of the Probe pilot was clear and > pristine looking. > > As Jim mentioned for us again, Search apparently was offered to an > outlet a few years ago, but was rejected. Maybe Warners should keep > trying, keep offering until something breaks? Maybe we can encourage > them to keep trying? Nic Olinsky http://homepage.mac.com/nic/ Sunnyside, WA iChat/AIM: nic@... ICQ: 6718166 #3887 From: Date: Wed May 3, 2006 3:55 am Subject: Re: TV Guide article posted to Files actingman_jc Damn! I remember that article. > >Subject: [probe_control] TV Guide article posted to Files > From: "dghprobe3" > Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 01:47:10 -0000 > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > >http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/files > >790728-1_LittleHouse2Yours.jpg >Vintage 1979 TV Guide article on how shows were broadcast on network >TV back in the day. > >790728-2_LittleHouse2Yours.jpg >Part 2 > >Since the topic has been brought up, I figured some might find this of >historical interest. From 7-28-79, an old TV Guide article >called "From Little House to Your House." It's about how shows were >broadcast on network TV back in the day. It explains how the two 35mm >and two 16mm prints that were made for each series were assembled and >used. And it's how Search aired back then too. > >We can be sure that much of the process has gone digital nowadays. >So, if anyone can update the article, please do so. :-) #3888 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Wed May 3, 2006 3:37 am Subject: Re: Searching and breaks dghprobe3 --- In probe_control, Nic Olinsky wrote: >Do we know the Mystery Channel had Search on their web site? I would >think that was a list of possible series they could show. Would they >have had/still come kind of broadcast quality dubs? Hi: Encore's Mystery Channel did indeed have Search listed on their website. I remember posting the links a few years ago on this list. I think I tried finding that again a while later and could no longer find any references to Search. The references had been removed. I *might* have saved and downloaded those pages, which were cross- referenced with actor's names, but I'd have to check through a bunch of old CDs for them. I doubt it would be much help, but it is a curiosity. As far as I know, Mystery Channel never ran any Search episodes. As you mentioned, it may only have been a series they were considering running, then decided against it. The other rumor that crops up now and again is that Sci-Fi Channel supposedly ran Search around April-May 1994 in the wee hours of the AM (and it was not the Parker Stevenson version of Probe). But so far nobody has been able to confirm it. #3889 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Wed May 3, 2006 10:27 pm Subject: RE: Re: Warner stirring gfwillmetts Hello Dboysen You're probably the best person we have to ask at the moment then. You could probably read through a position/title list at Warners to identify which ones to approach. Even if the people change, knowing the name of the specific job could then be used in future reference should we want to make a representation. Geoff #3890 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Thu May 4, 2006 1:37 am Subject: Re: Warner stirring dghprobe3 --- In probe_control, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: >Hello Dboysen >You're probably the best person we have to ask at the moment then. >You could probably read through a position/title list at Warners to >identify which ones to approach... Hi Geoff: If the above works out, it will be the closest we've been able to get to "the source," as it were. And from what Jim said a few posts ago, it appears that someone at Warners is quietly shopping for someone to air Search. But apparently they have no takers so far, and it's possible they are trying hard to get "top dollar" for an outlet to run it. The trouble is the show has no widespread following, which is their own fault, as it's been locked up and hidden since 1973 (as far as the U.S. is concerned). Be funny if we somehow make contact and find they have indeed been trying to market the show, but without success up to now. #3891 From: DBoysen@... Date: Thu May 4, 2006 12:28 am Subject: Re: Re: Warner stirring buynblind It was a few years ago, but Warren Lieberfarb used to be President of Warner Home Video. I'm not sure if he's still there but give me a few days and I'll do some checking around. Thank goodness I held onto my studio directory. #3892 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Thu May 4, 2006 10:36 pm Subject: air-tight fjlm stock gfwillmetts Hello Jim Just a wild thought for those with more knowledge about 70s film stock. If a print of 'Search' was kept air-tight since then, which it would be if no one used it, then wouldn't its condition stay relatively fresh?? Hello Don Yes, I'm aware all the copies came from abroad. I supplied the Probe pilot myself from a BBC2 showing after all. What I was getting at was what happened to the foreign prints. Were they sent home to America or have the Australian TV companies kept a copy hidden in a dusty vault because it wasn't requested home?? You only have to look at how odd episodes of lost Doctor Who stories turn up so think it might be possible. Still catching up on my emails. I’d have thought it might make more sense if Warners tried foreign distribution first. The last time we had Probe in the UK is coming up to 9 years ago. Ripe for a pilot and episode run. Geoff #3893 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Fri May 5, 2006 2:14 am Subject: Re: Re: Searching and breaks probecontrol Nic Olinsky wrote: > Do we know the Mystery Channel had Search on their web site? I would > think that was a list of possible series they could show. ============ I tend to agree with that, Nic. I'll bet they were just compiling an internet archive of 'mystery' oriented shows. ============ > Would they > have had/still come kind of broadcast quality dubs? ============ Well, as you said, SEARCH may have been included in their list merely because it has 'mystery' qualities. I'm guessing that the list never extended any farther than the internet--and not to programming that they had rights to. I strongly doubt that they ever had SEARCH master tapes in their archives. Local stations/cable networks spend big money on programming. If they BUY a series, they're gonna SHOW a series. A broadcast entity would never purchase a program only for their archives, and never show it. That's MY thinkin'. :) Jim #3894 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Fri May 5, 2006 3:50 am Subject: Re: air-tight fjlm stock dghprobe3 --- In probe_control, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: >Yes, I'm aware all the copies came from abroad...What I was getting >at was what happened to the foreign prints. Were they sent home to >America or have the Australian TV companies kept a copy hidden >in a dusty vault because it wasn't requested home?? ---------------------- Geoff: Key to our present discussion is that 16mm prints were sent out by Warner to Australia and other areas during the late 70's and early 80's. I've never seen any 16mm prints of Search episodes on ANY of the film trading lists over the years (except for the U.S. distributed pilot), so my guess would be that Warner was diligent about getting the prints returned to them once aired. The thing is, even if we ran across 16mm prints of Search episodes, it wouldn't help us get the show distributed or syndicated in the U.S. The episodes that were aired in Sydney in 1982 looked to be 35mm prints recorded to videotape. I would guess that Warner was also diligent about having tapes returned to them as well. We've only found two sources who recorded broadcasts in Australia, one source having much better quality than the other. The only ones who would know about how the shows were sent out and returned would be station employees who worked at Sydney's Network 10 and the Perth area's NBN. This being 25 years later, it would be like finding a needle in a haystack as these people certainly would have moved on or retired by now. Again, I'm quite sure Warner still has films and videos of Search they can send out. :-) #3895 From: "Phil Satterley" Date: Fri May 5, 2006 11:08 pm Subject: Re: Searching and breaks progrocktv >> Would they >> have had/still come kind of broadcast quality dubs? > ============ > Well, as you said, SEARCH may have been included in their list merely > because it has 'mystery' qualities. I'm guessing that the list never > extended any farther than the internet--and not to programming that they > had > rights to. I strongly doubt that they ever had SEARCH master tapes in > their > archives. Hey all, Being a former employee of Starz I know it is policy to only get dubs that Starz purchased from the masters once a series was bought (we would never accept masters). Once the license period expired the dubs were erased. But that was only if the series was bought. If Starz was looking for a series for possible consideration they would probably get a VHS screener of an episode or two but that was really it. When I was there I did look through the computer inventory system and there was an entry for SEARCH but no information, meaning we weren't carrying the series, but the web page might be pulling that information from the computer. I did speak with WB at one point and they said they *DO* have the rights for the series, so at least we know that much:-) Cheers! Phil #3896 From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat May 6, 2006 12:23 am Subject: New file uploaded to probe_control probe_control@yahoogroups.com Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the probe_control group. File : /SOUND files/Search_teaser_8-73.64Kbpsmp3.mp3 Uploaded by : dghprobe3 Description : Teaser to The Mattson Papers, Aug 1973, found on one of the NBC groups. Includes full music stinger open. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/files/SOUND%20files/Search_teaser_8-\ 73.64Kbpsmp3.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, dghprobe3 #3897 From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat May 6, 2006 12:27 am Subject: New file uploaded to probe_control probe_control@yahoogroups.com Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the probe_control group. File : /SOUND files/Waltons_Search_KGMB1975.mp3 Uploaded by : dghprobe3 Description : 1975 promo for Waltons & Search pilot movie, from KGMB Honolulu, Hawaii. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/files/SOUND%20files/Waltons_Search_K\ GMB1975.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, dghprobe3 #3898 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Sat May 6, 2006 2:56 am Subject: Teaser to The Mattson Papers probecontrol > File : /SOUND files/Search_teaser_8-73.64Kbpsmp3.mp3 > Uploaded by : dghprobe3 > Description : Teaser to The Mattson Papers, Aug 1973, found on one of the > NBC groups. Includes full music stinger open. ======================== Cool stuff!!! Great find, Don! Way to go! Jim Alexander #3899 From: "galacticprobe" Date: Sun May 7, 2006 4:21 am Subject: Re: Scanner Prop Still? galacticprobe Greetings, All, I remember "Time Tunnel" (first-run eps - yes, I'm that old). I don't remember any Probe Control consoles being used as TT came before the turn of the decade, as did most of the Irwin Allen SciFi series ("Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea", "Lost In Space", "Land of the Giants", et al). However, the short computer units like those seen in the first two Probe Control sets next to Griffin and Carlos, and behind Cameron next to the twin upright reel-to-reel drives, were definitely there. Those units seemed to be "generic" computer gizmos that found their way into other series of the time, including the Irwin Allen ones I mentioned above, and the '60s series "Batman." (Incidentally, the Bat Computer also utilized other props seen aboard the Jupiter 2.) Also, unless I'm mistaken (and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am) the short units also found their way into some later series such as "The Six Million-Dollar Man" and "The Bionic Woman." I'm sure we'd find them in many other productions as well if we scoured the ancient movies now available on video and DVD (including some that we may have already seen on "Mystery Science Theater 3000." End Run, Dino --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Richard D. Perez" wrote: > > It is not uncommon for props to be used by producers of other > projects after a show is canceled. In fact, I think some of the > computers used in Probe Control were also used in THE TIME TUNNEL. > #3900 From: swhite228@... Date: Sun May 7, 2006 8:11 am Subject: Re: Re: Scanner Prop Still? swhite2859 Most all of the 20th Century Fox, Irwin Allen shows used Burrows B205 computers and tape drives. It's the same computer used for the Batcomputer. They are highly collectible and a couple of people sell fiberglass replicas of them. -------------- Original message from "galacticprobe" : -------------- Greetings, All, I remember "Time Tunnel" (first-run eps - yes, I'm that old). I don't remember any Probe Control consoles being used as TT came before the turn of the decade, as did most of the Irwin Allen SciFi series ("Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea", "Lost In Space", "Land of the Giants", et al). However, the short computer units like those seen in the first two Probe Control sets next to Griffin and Carlos, and behind Cameron next to the twin upright reel-to-reel drives, were definitely there. Those units seemed to be "generic" computer gizmos that found their way into other series of the time, including the Irwin Allen ones I mentioned above, and the '60s series "Batman." (Incidentally, the Bat Computer also utilized other props seen aboard the Jupiter 2.) Also, unless I'm mistaken (and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am) the short units also found their way into some later series such as "The Six Million-Dollar Man" and "The Bionic Woman." I'm sure we'd find them in many other productions as well if we scoured the ancient movies now available on video and DVD (including some that we may have already seen on "Mystery Science Theater 3000." End Run, Dino --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Richard D. Perez" wrote: > > It is not uncommon for props to be used by producers of other > projects after a show is canceled. In fact, I think some of the > computers used in Probe Control were also used in THE TIME TUNNEL. #3901 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sun May 7, 2006 10:55 pm Subject: Warner stirring -- not dghprobe3 --- In probe_control, "dghprobe3" wrote: >>> I would guess that Warner was also diligent about having tapes returned to them as well...I'm quite sure Warner still has films and videos of Search they can send out. <<< Hi: One of my off-list sources did some checking with a certain department at Warner and came up with the following info. Unfortunately it's not the most cheerful news, but it helps explain what we've been up against. In some respects, this dovetails with what Jim Alexander mentioned to us again over the last week. But this info is more definite that Warner has no plans to release Search in the foreseeable future. --------------------------- <<<>>> #3902 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Mon May 8, 2006 3:28 am Subject: DVD Verdict's Warner Bros. 'rap sheet' dghprobe3 http://www.dvdverdict.com/studioinfo/warnerbros.php DVD Verdict has reviewed over 900 titles from Warner Bros... #3903 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Mon May 8, 2006 10:24 pm Subject: RE: age gfwillmetts Hello Dino Re: Time Tunnel. We're all that old. None of us appear to be below 45 here. Back in the 60s, computers were always depicted with flashing lights. Then again, looking at today's models, apart from the screen, they're just as passive. With the bigger computers, listening to the audio commentaries for Stargate, the directors point out that having something with flashing lights in the background help to bring the scene alive. The Six Million Dollar Man even employed some of Colossus: The Forbin Project footage to do telemetry on Austin. Gotta go Geoff #3904 From: actingman@... Date: Mon May 8, 2006 10:48 pm Subject: RE: age actingman_jc TV Guide published back then a marvelous ultra wide angle pic of The Time Tunnel control room with all of the cast standing in the tunnel. I showed a friend of mine that pic and his only comment was his old 286 had more computing power than all of the machines in that room combined. -----Original Message----- >From: Geoff Willmetts >Sent: May 8, 2006 6:24 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [probe_control] age > >Hello Dino > > Re: Time Tunnel. We're all that old. None of us appear to be below 45 here. > > Back in the 60s, computers were always depicted with flashing lights. Then >again, looking at today's models, apart from the screen, they're just as >passive. With the bigger computers, listening to the audio commentaries for >Stargate, the directors point out that having something with flashing lights >in the background help to bring the scene alive. > > >Gotta go >Geoff #3905 From: "actingman_jc" Date: Mon May 8, 2006 11:18 pm Subject: Forgotten Shows on DVD actingman_jc It's hard to figure out what the criteria is for releasing old shows on DVD...when you see what you think is an exception to the "rules of good business": it's remembered, it's recent, it had stars who currently are big, it was a big deal when it was on...etc. As an on-going educational thread, I would like anybody who comes across a "that got released!!???!!!" show to mention it here and we can go over it. Earlier I mentioned Good Morning World. The only thing I can figure is because it had a pre Laugh-In Goldie Hawn in the cast. Another title I would like to add is Here Come The Brides. It ran for two years on ABC starting in 1968. It had some syndication life that I know about in the early 70's, it had Bobby Sherman in the cast, and it had David Soul who went on to greater fame in Starsky and Hutch. Maybe I've answered my own question there, but I still did a double take when I saw Brides. By the way...it was a favorable double-take...I remember Brides fondly, and added it to my wish list. My intention here is to bring up shows you would think are as forgotten as Search, but yet have managed to make it to the light of DVD release. We could all mention shows we think are just awful that are out...but a lot of those would be obvious business choices. Anyone else? #3906 From: Nic Olinsky Date: Mon May 8, 2006 11:53 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD tutru http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemid=COL013026 On May 8, 2006, at 4:18 PM, actingman_jc wrote: > Another title I would like to add is Here Come The Brides. It ran for > two years on ABC starting in 1968. It had some syndication life that > I know about in the early 70's, it had Bobby Sherman in the cast, and > it had David Soul who went on to greater fame in Starsky and Hutch. -- Nic Olinsky http://homepage.mac.com/nic/ Sunnyside, WA iChat/AIM: nic@... ICQ: 6718166 #3907 From: Nic Olinsky Date: Tue May 9, 2006 12:09 am Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD tutru Sorry, misunderstood the posting. On May 8, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Nic Olinsky wrote: > http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemid=COL013026 > > On May 8, 2006, at 4:18 PM, actingman_jc wrote: > >> Another title I would like to add is Here Come The Brides. It ran for >> two years on ABC starting in 1968. It had some syndication life that >> I know about in the early 70's, it had Bobby Sherman in the cast, and >> it had David Soul who went on to greater fame in Starsky and Hutch. > > -- Nic Olinsky http://homepage.mac.com/nic/ Sunnyside, WA iChat/AIM: nic@... ICQ: 6718166 #3908 From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 12:14 am Subject: RE: Forgotten Shows on DVD martadawes "Good Morning World" seems as obscure as they come to me, because I don't remember it. Just the idea that it was released on DVD is mind-boggling. Who saw to it that it was put on DVD and what motivations were behind it? It certainly couldn't have been done to make a profit, because the chances are not many people remember it. Goldie could be the reason but it seems like there should be more to it than that. "Fractured Flickers" is one that I did a double-take on. It also had not been syndicated, that I know of, on broadcast TV since it aired. The cable comedy Ha! Channel ran it in it around 1990 or so, and Showtime ran it back in the early 80's. The fact that it was put on DVD is miraculous. The 1983 HBO series "Philip Marlowe, Private Eye" ran five original episodes and each episode was broadcast only twice. This came out on DVD at the end of last year, though I know a cable series is a bit different than a commercial TV series. But it qualifies, I think, in that it was off the radar for 22 years before it resurfaced. No one I ever talked to remembered this series, but it was a gem. "Danger Man" is a good one, in that I don't believe it was syndicated here in the US since it was first shown, back in the late 60's (though I am probably totally wrong on this one). It's now out on DVD, which was another surprise for me. "Sapphire and Steel" is another British show that was never broadcast here, I believe, and I don't think it was re-shown in England, either, after it debuted in 1979 but came out on DVD last year in both countries. And finally, the mini-series "Backstairs at the White House" was never rebroadcast but finally came out on DVD just a few months ago. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! All we are saying... is give Peace a chance. - John Lennon May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon! - Big Jim McBob and Billy Sol Hurok -----Original Message----- From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of actingman_jc Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:18 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD It's hard to figure out what the criteria is for releasing old shows on DVD...when you see what you think is an exception to the "rules of good business": it's remembered, it's recent, it had stars who currently are big, it was a big deal when it was on...etc. As an on-going educational thread, I would like anybody who comes across a "that got released!!???!!!" show to mention it here and we can go over it. Earlier I mentioned Good Morning World. The only thing I can figure is because it had a pre Laugh-In Goldie Hawn in the cast. Another title I would like to add is Here Come The Brides. It ran for two years on ABC starting in 1968. It had some syndication life that I know about in the early 70's, it had Bobby Sherman in the cast, and it had David Soul who went on to greater fame in Starsky and Hutch. Maybe I've answered my own question there, but I still did a double take when I saw Brides. By the way...it was a favorable double-take...I remember Brides fondly, and added it to my wish list. My intention here is to bring up shows you would think are as forgotten as Search, but yet have managed to make it to the light of DVD release. We could all mention shows we think are just awful that are out...but a lot of those would be obvious business choices. Anyone else? #3909 From: STEPHEN RUSELL Date: Tue May 9, 2006 12:50 am Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD secretconcierge Love American Style sitcom TV show Post Gilligan show. Monkees. My Mother the Car Petticoat Junction?? Jericho WW2 story yarn Garrions Gorillas WW2 yarn. Phil Silvers Peter Gunn TV show Honey West. The Rogues. Doris Day Show ALL DVD material???? actingman_jc wrote: It's hard to figure out what the criteria is for releasing old shows on DVD...when you see what you think is an exception to the "rules of good business": it's remembered, it's recent, it had stars who currently are big, it was a big deal when it was on...etc. As an on-going educational thread, I would like anybody who comes across a "that got released!!???!!!" show to mention it here and we can go over it. Earlier I mentioned Good Morning World. The only thing I can figure is because it had a pre Laugh-In Goldie Hawn in the cast. Another title I would like to add is Here Come The Brides. It ran for two years on ABC starting in 1968. It had some syndication life that I know about in the early 70's, it had Bobby Sherman in the cast, and it had David Soul who went on to greater fame in Starsky and Hutch. Maybe I've answered my own question there, but I still did a double take when I saw Brides. By the way...it was a favorable double-take...I remember Brides fondly, and added it to my wish list. My intention here is to bring up shows you would think are as forgotten as Search, but yet have managed to make it to the light of DVD release. We could all mention shows we think are just awful that are out...but a lot of those would be obvious business choices. Anyone else? #3910 From: STEPHEN RUSELL Date: Tue May 9, 2006 12:50 am Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD secretconcierge Love American Style sitcom TV show Post Gilligan show. Monkees. My Mother the Car Petticoat Junction?? Jericho WW2 story yarn Garrions Gorillas WW2 yarn. Phil Silvers Peter Gunn TV show Honey West. The Rogues. Doris Day Show ALL DVD material???? actingman_jc wrote: It's hard to figure out what the criteria is for releasing old shows on DVD...when you see what you think is an exception to the "rules of good business": it's remembered, it's recent, it had stars who currently are big, it was a big deal when it was on...etc. As an on-going educational thread, I would like anybody who comes across a "that got released!!???!!!" show to mention it here and we can go over it. Earlier I mentioned Good Morning World. The only thing I can figure is because it had a pre Laugh-In Goldie Hawn in the cast. Another title I would like to add is Here Come The Brides. It ran for two years on ABC starting in 1968. It had some syndication life that I know about in the early 70's, it had Bobby Sherman in the cast, and it had David Soul who went on to greater fame in Starsky and Hutch. Maybe I've answered my own question there, but I still did a double take when I saw Brides. By the way...it was a favorable double-take...I remember Brides fondly, and added it to my wish list. My intention here is to bring up shows you would think are as forgotten as Search, but yet have managed to make it to the light of DVD release. We could all mention shows we think are just awful that are out...but a lot of those would be obvious business choices. Anyone else? #3911 From: yorktowncmdr@... Date: Mon May 8, 2006 9:58 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD worldsecanalyst One series I couldn't believe was release on DVD this past February was "Tablitha" the latter-day "Bewitched" spin with Lisa Hartman (Black) in the title role. Their were only 8-10 episodes produced. The only reason I can think of for a DVD release is because of Lisa Hartman; otherwise, it was a downer. End Run, David #3912 From: yorktowncmdr@... Date: Mon May 8, 2006 10:02 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD worldsecanalyst You must mean "Garrison's Gorillas" with Ron Harper as Garrison. The May issue of "Starlog" has an interview with Harper. > Garrions Gorillas End Run, David #3913 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 2:09 am Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD rperez1025 ROBERT uRICH WAS IN IT AS WELL, SO THIS IS ANOTHER REASON IT WAS RELEASED. yorktowncmdr@... wrote: > One series I couldn't believe was release on DVD this past February was > "Tablitha" the latter-day "Bewitched" spin with Lisa Hartman (Black) > in the title > role. Their were only 8-10 episodes produced. The only reason I can > think of > for a DVD release is because of Lisa Hartman; otherwise, it was a downer. > > End Run, > > David #3914 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 2:10 am Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD rperez1025 All of these shpws are available from wellers on ioffer.com. STEPHEN RUSELL wrote: > Love American Style sitcom TV show > Post Gilligan show. > Monkees. > My Mother the Car > Petticoat Junction?? > Jericho WW2 story yarn > Garrions Gorillas WW2 yarn. > Phil Silvers > Peter Gunn TV show > Honey West. > The Rogues. > Doris Day Show > ALL DVD material???? > > > actingman_jc wrote: > It's hard to figure out what the criteria is for releasing old shows > on DVD...when you see what you think is an exception to the "rules of > good business": it's remembered, it's recent, it had stars who > currently are big, it was a big deal when it was on...etc. > > As an on-going educational thread, I would like anybody who comes > across a "that got released!!???!!!" show to mention it here and we > can go over it. > > Earlier I mentioned Good Morning World. The only thing I can figure > is because it had a pre Laugh-In Goldie Hawn in the cast. > > Another title I would like to add is Here Come The Brides. It ran for > two years on ABC starting in 1968. It had some syndication life that > I know about in the early 70's, it had Bobby Sherman in the cast, and > it had David Soul who went on to greater fame in Starsky and Hutch. > > Maybe I've answered my own question there, but I still did a double > take when I saw Brides. > > By the way...it was a favorable double-take...I remember Brides > fondly, and added it to my wish list. > > My intention here is to bring up shows you would think are as > forgotten as Search, but yet have managed to make it to the light of > DVD release. We could all mention shows we think are just awful that > are out...but a lot of those would be obvious business choices. > > Anyone else? #3915 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 2:11 am Subject: Re: age rperez1025 He was probably right!!! actingman@... wrote: > TV Guide published back then a marvelous ultra wide angle pic of The > Time Tunnel control room with all of the cast standing in the tunnel. > > I showed a friend of mine that pic and his only comment was his old > 286 had more computing power than all of the machines in that room > combined. > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Geoff Willmetts > >Sent: May 8, 2006 6:24 PM > >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: RE: [probe_control] age > > > >Hello Dino > > > > Re: Time Tunnel. We're all that old. None of us appear to be > below 45 here. > > > > Back in the 60s, computers were always depicted with flashing > lights. Then > >again, looking at today's models, apart from the screen, they're just as > >passive. With the bigger computers, listening to the audio > commentaries for > >Stargate, the directors point out that having something with flashing > lights > >in the background help to bring the scene alive. > > > > > > >Gotta go > >Geoff #3916 From: actingman@... Date: Tue May 9, 2006 2:25 am Subject: RE: Forgotten Shows on DVD actingman_jc Both the half hour and hour Danger Mans were always available here in the U.S. after CBS ran them. (The hour ones of course ran under the title Secret Agent.) In New York channel 5 ran them in the late 60's to early 70's on Saturday afternoons, and in 1980 or 81 channel 4 ran them one of those summers on the Saturday overnight after SNL and whatever rock show followed it. I think that show, besides being a very well done show...has carry over cult status from McGoohan's followup series The Prisoner. Saphire and Steel did run in NYC on channel 11 as first run syndication. As we look at the obscure stuff that comes out, I think we may find that it is just dependent on whether each company is willing to look at what it owns and do something with it. The list that Don posted showing the Warners releases made my head hurt, and I didn't study it that closely...but I don't recall seeing a lot of old or obscure tv stuff...and some of the old tv stuff they do have they didn't even originally produce...like the Flintstones. Just as Unicorn released Probe...our best bet may be an outside company like Image Entertainment or Shout. -----Original Message----- >From: Marta Dawes >Sent: May 8, 2006 8:14 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > > >"Danger Man" is a good one, in that I don't believe it was syndicated here >in the US since it was first shown, back in the late 60's (though I am >probably totally wrong on this one). It's now out on DVD, which was another >surprise for me. > >"Sapphire and Steel" is another British show that was never broadcast here, >I believe, and I don't think it was re-shown in England, either, after it >debuted in 1979 but came out on DVD last year in both countries. #3917 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 2:47 am Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD rperez1025 SAPPHIRE AND STEEL on PIX??? When?? actingman@... wrote: > Both the half hour and hour Danger Mans were always available here in > the U.S. after CBS ran them. (The hour ones of course ran under the > title Secret Agent.) > > In New York channel 5 ran them in the late 60's to early 70's on > Saturday afternoons, and in 1980 or 81 channel 4 ran them one of those > summers on the Saturday overnight after SNL and whatever rock show > followed it. > > I think that show, besides being a very well done show...has carry > over cult status from McGoohan's followup series The Prisoner. > > Saphire and Steel did run in NYC on channel 11 as first run syndication. > > As we look at the obscure stuff that comes out, I think we may find > that it is just dependent on whether each company is willing to look > at what it owns and do something with it. > > The list that Don posted showing the Warners releases made my head > hurt, and I didn't study it that closely...but I don't recall seeing a > lot of old or obscure tv stuff...and some of the old tv stuff they do > have they didn't even originally produce...like the Flintstones. > > Just as Unicorn released Probe...our best bet may be an outside > company like Image Entertainment or Shout. > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Marta Dawes > >Sent: May 8, 2006 8:14 PM > >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: RE: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > > > > > > >"Danger Man" is a good one, in that I don't believe it was syndicated > here > >in the US since it was first shown, back in the late 60's (though I am > >probably totally wrong on this one). It's now out on DVD, which was > another > >surprise for me. > > > >"Sapphire and Steel" is another British show that was never broadcast > here, > >I believe, and I don't think it was re-shown in England, either, after it > >debuted in 1979 but came out on DVD last year in both countries. #3918 From: dmanmetz@... Date: Mon May 8, 2006 10:48 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD dmanmetz@... The main reason for Tabitha's release was because the big budget release of the movie last summer which flopped. And, there is also a hardcore Bewitched fan base too. Chris #3919 From: actingman@... Date: Tue May 9, 2006 3:31 am Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD actingman_jc I may or may not get back to you on this Richard...depending on what I can find here in the house. But the approximate answer is...whenever it was on. Unless of course I am tripping...But I do remember it airing here. I took notice of it cause I knew Joanna Lumley from The New Avengers. -----Original Message----- >From: "Richard D. Perez" >Sent: May 8, 2006 10:47 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > >SAPPHIRE AND STEEL on PIX??? When?? #3920 From: STEPHEN RUSELL Date: Tue May 9, 2006 3:44 am Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD secretconcierge Or these shows: Thunderbirds Stingray UFO Fireball XL5 Supercar New Avengers Girl from UNCLE Ark 2 Sid & Marty Kroft kidvid, 1970s. Shazam!!!!. actingman@... wrote: I may or may not get back to you on this Richard...depending on what I can find here in the house. But the approximate answer is...whenever it was on. Unless of course I am tripping...But I do remember it airing here. I took notice of it cause I knew Joanna Lumley from The New Avengers. -----Original Message----- >From: "Richard D. Perez" >Sent: May 8, 2006 10:47 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > >SAPPHIRE AND STEEL on PIX??? When?? #3921 From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 11:14 am Subject: RE: Forgotten Shows on DVD martadawes It all must depend on where you're at in the country. Here in the Midwest we never got these kinds of shows till cable came in. We had the three network affiliates till then, and PBS. That's it. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! All we are saying... is give Peace a chance. - John Lennon May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon! - Big Jim McBob and Billy Sol Hurok -----Original Message----- From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of actingman@... Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:25 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD Both the half hour and hour Danger Mans were always available here in the U.S. after CBS ran them. (The hour ones of course ran under the title Secret Agent.) In New York channel 5 ran them in the late 60's to early 70's on Saturday afternoons, and in 1980 or 81 channel 4 ran them one of those summers on the Saturday overnight after SNL and whatever rock show followed it. I think that show, besides being a very well done show...has carry over cult status from McGoohan's followup series The Prisoner. Saphire and Steel did run in NYC on channel 11 as first run syndication. As we look at the obscure stuff that comes out, I think we may find that it is just dependent on whether each company is willing to look at what it owns and do something with it. The list that Don posted showing the Warners releases made my head hurt, and I didn't study it that closely...but I don't recall seeing a lot of old or obscure tv stuff...and some of the old tv stuff they do have they didn't even originally produce...like the Flintstones. Just as Unicorn released Probe...our best bet may be an outside company like Image Entertainment or Shout. -----Original Message----- >From: Marta Dawes >Sent: May 8, 2006 8:14 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > > >"Danger Man" is a good one, in that I don't believe it was syndicated here >in the US since it was first shown, back in the late 60's (though I am >probably totally wrong on this one). It's now out on DVD, which was another >surprise for me. > >"Sapphire and Steel" is another British show that was never broadcast here, >I believe, and I don't think it was re-shown in England, either, after it >debuted in 1979 but came out on DVD last year in both countries. #3922 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 11:55 am Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD rperez1025 Iremember WOR doing an entire week of British programs. That's when I got my first look at THE SWEENEY. Loved it! STEPHEN RUSELL wrote: > Or these shows: > > Thunderbirds > Stingray > UFO > Fireball XL5 > Supercar > New Avengers > Girl from UNCLE > Ark 2 Sid & Marty Kroft kidvid, 1970s. > Shazam!!!!. > > > actingman@... wrote: > I may or may not get back to you on this Richard...depending on what > I can find here in the house. > > But the approximate answer is...whenever it was on. > > Unless of course I am tripping...But I do remember it airing here. I > took notice of it cause I knew Joanna Lumley from The New Avengers. > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "Richard D. Perez" > >Sent: May 8, 2006 10:47 PM > >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > > > >SAPPHIRE AND STEEL on PIX??? When?? #3923 From: actingman@... Date: Tue May 9, 2006 5:20 pm Subject: RE: Forgotten Shows on DVD actingman_jc Oh yes...I knew back then that we were lucky in the NYC market to have all three networks, PBS (or NET if you want to go back far enough) as well as three independent stations. However, for someone like me, who always wants the older shows, I started to envy the smaller markets as the 70's went into the 80's, because NYC stations had the money to go after the expensive, just off-network shows, whereas smaller stations elsewhere would be running the older shows I wanted to see. Also, the smaller PBS stations would fill schedules with old shows on occassions...and what an opportunity that was once home VCRs came along to get entire series...uncut...without having to edit breaks out on the fly. I use to love getting TV Guides from different markets...to see what shows were popping up. I stopped doing that a few years ago because it got to the point where the markets all seemed to be running the same thing. I've always thought this was in part to the technology getting good enough and cheap enough that all stations were now on an equal footing as far as bringing product into the market. I know smaller stations still have to deal with the cost of blockbuster shows...but for the basic stuff...it all looks all the same...I think. -----Original Message----- >From: Marta Dawes >Sent: May 9, 2006 7:14 AM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > >It all must depend on where you're at in the country. Here in the Midwest >we never got these kinds of shows till cable came in. We had the three >network affiliates till then, and PBS. That's it. > >Marta > >http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! > >All we are saying... >is give Peace a chance. - John Lennon > >May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon! - Big Jim >McBob and Billy Sol Hurok #3924 From: "Skip Brown" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 8:08 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD skipster61 I vaguely remember "Here Come The Brides" - only bits and pieces. Wasn't there a forlorn character named "Bitty"? How can anyone ever forget a character name like "Bitty"? Its like... Gomer.. or Festus... Or VCR.... Hmmmm.... Besides the song "Seattle" in the main title, the only other details I remember about the show were Bobby Sherman (my sisters were massively crushed on him) and actor Robert Brown, who also played the character of "Lazarus" in the multi-dimensional Star Trek: TOS episode "The Alternative Factor". Bitty.... LOL... what a name... Skip On 5/8/06, actingman_jc wrote: > > It's hard to figure out what the criteria is for releasing old shows > on DVD...when you see what you think is an exception to the "rules of > good business": it's remembered, it's recent, it had stars who > currently are big, it was a big deal when it was on...etc. > > As an on-going educational thread, I would like anybody who comes > across a "that got released!!???!!!" show to mention it here and we > can go over it. > > Earlier I mentioned Good Morning World. The only thing I can figure > is because it had a pre Laugh-In Goldie Hawn in the cast. > > Another title I would like to add is Here Come The Brides. It ran for > two years on ABC starting in 1968. It had some syndication life that > I know about in the early 70's, it had Bobby Sherman in the cast, and > it had David Soul who went on to greater fame in Starsky and Hutch. > > Maybe I've answered my own question there, but I still did a double > take when I saw Brides. > > By the way...it was a favorable double-take...I remember Brides > fondly, and added it to my wish list. > > My intention here is to bring up shows you would think are as > forgotten as Search, but yet have managed to make it to the light of > DVD release. We could all mention shows we think are just awful that > are out...but a lot of those would be obvious business choices. > > Anyone else? #3925 From: "KatHevin" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 9:20 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD bstiffle Speaking of forgotten shows - does anyone remember "My Partner the Ghost" (in the US) and "Randall and Hopkirk - deceased" on the BBC? In the US is aired around 1974 on Sunday at 11pm in the New York Metro area. It was a really clever sitcom/mystery show where Randall's partner, Marty - is run down in the first episode and basically "hangs around" helping Randall solve mysteries... only Randall can see Marty so it makes for some great "talking to your naval" gags. I'm just curious because I only know of one other person who remembers the show... Billie Stiffler KatHevin Sable Burmese http://kathevin.kariana.ca/ 609-261-1232 ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Brown To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD I vaguely remember "Here Come The Brides" - only bits and pieces. Wasn't there a forlorn character named "Bitty"? How can anyone ever forget a character name like "Bitty"? Its like... Gomer.. or Festus... Or VCR.... Hmmmm.... Besides the song "Seattle" in the main title, the only other details I remember about the show were Bobby Sherman (my sisters were massively crushed on him) and actor Robert Brown, who also played the character of "Lazarus" in the multi-dimensional Star Trek: TOS episode "The Alternative Factor". Bitty.... LOL... what a name... Skip On 5/8/06, actingman_jc wrote: > > It's hard to figure out what the criteria is for releasing old shows > on DVD...when you see what you think is an exception to the "rules of > good business": it's remembered, it's recent, it had stars who > currently are big, it was a big deal when it was on...etc. > > As an on-going educational thread, I would like anybody who comes > across a "that got released!!???!!!" show to mention it here and we > can go over it. > > Earlier I mentioned Good Morning World. The only thing I can figure > is because it had a pre Laugh-In Goldie Hawn in the cast. > > Another title I would like to add is Here Come The Brides. It ran for > two years on ABC starting in 1968. It had some syndication life that > I know about in the early 70's, it had Bobby Sherman in the cast, and > it had David Soul who went on to greater fame in Starsky and Hutch. > > Maybe I've answered my own question there, but I still did a double > take when I saw Brides. > > By the way...it was a favorable double-take...I remember Brides > fondly, and added it to my wish list. > > My intention here is to bring up shows you would think are as > forgotten as Search, but yet have managed to make it to the light of > DVD release. We could all mention shows we think are just awful that > are out...but a lot of those would be obvious business choices. > > Anyone else? #3926 From: actingman@... Date: Tue May 9, 2006 9:50 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD actingman_jc Biddie Cloom was the character name, played by Susan Tolsky. I wouldn't use the term "forlorn"...but she was the "square peg" character trying to fit into the "round hole" social situation that I suspect was for comic relief. Although it has been a VERY long time with this show...so she may have had a serious storyline or two...I am not certain...nor did I see them all. This show has a very strange place in fiction history. Ask in Trek circles what the worst original novel was, and they usually say "Ishmael"...which was a novel in which Spock ends up with memory loss, stranded back in time on Earth in the 19th century in the logging town of Seattle where 100 New England girls have been brought in to be brides... Fan fiction cross-overs get written all the time. But you usually don't expect to see it in a tv-tie in commissioned by a professional publisher (was it Pocket Books? I am not at home right now.) Anyway, here is a description of the book from Wikipedia: "Barbara Hambly's Star Trek novel Ishmael has Spock travelling back to the time and place of Here Come the Brides after discovering a Klingon plot to destroy the Federation by killing Aaron Stempel (spelled Stemple in the book) before he could thwart an attempted 19th-century alien invasion of Earth. During most of the story, Spock has lost his memory and is cared for by Stempel, who passes him off as his nephew "Ishmael" and helps him hide his alien origins. At the end of the story, Spock discovers that Stempel is one of his mother's ancestors, which ties in nicely with Mark Lenard playing both Stempel and Spock's father, Sarek." -----Original Message----- >From: Skip Brown >Sent: May 9, 2006 4:08 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > >I vaguely remember "Here Come The Brides" - only bits and pieces. Wasn't >there a forlorn character named "Bitty"? How can anyone ever forget a >character name like "Bitty"? Its like... Gomer.. or Festus... Or VCR.... >Hmmmm.... > >Besides the song "Seattle" in the main title, the only other details I >remember about the show were Bobby Sherman (my sisters were massively >crushed on him) and actor Robert Brown, who also played the character of >"Lazarus" in the multi-dimensional Star Trek: TOS episode "The Alternative >Factor". > >Bitty.... LOL... what a name... > >Skip #3927 From: actingman@... Date: Tue May 9, 2006 9:54 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD actingman_jc 11:30pm actually...after the news on WNBC channel 4. In other words...I was there watching as well. -----Original Message----- >From: KatHevin >Sent: May 9, 2006 5:20 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > >Speaking of forgotten shows - does anyone remember "My Partner the Ghost" (in the US) and >"Randall and Hopkirk - deceased" on the BBC? In the US is aired around 1974 on Sunday at 11pm in the New York Metro area. It was a really clever sitcom/mystery show where Randall's partner, Marty - is run down in the first episode and basically "hangs around" helping Randall solve mysteries... only Randall can see Marty so it makes for some great "talking to your naval" gags. > >I'm just curious because I only know of one other person who remembers the show... > >Billie Stiffler >KatHevin Sable Burmese >http://kathevin.kariana.ca/ >609-261-1232 #3928 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 10:40 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD gfwillmetts Hello Billie Randall And Hopkirk (Deceased) is out on DVD So is Sapphire And Steel come to that - both on region 1. Geoff #3929 From: "KatHevin" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 10:56 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD bstiffle I noticed that the first season is out there (REGION 1). Other episodes are only available in region 2 format. This begs the question - that I know one of you will know - what do I have to do to get "other than region 1" DVDs to play here in the US - are there universal players? can I modify the player (region 1) I have to read region 2? will it play on my computer? Any insight would be appreciated. Billie Stiffler KatHevin Sable Burmese http://kathevin.kariana.ca/ 609-261-1232 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Willmetts" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > Hello Billie > > Randall And Hopkirk (Deceased) is out on DVD > > So is Sapphire And Steel come to that - both on region 1. > > Geoff #3930 From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 11:16 pm Subject: RE: Forgotten Shows on DVD martadawes We've purchased several DVD all-region players from http://www.hkflix.com/hardware/, and they've been great to deal with. You can play any DVD from any country on them. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! All we are saying... is give Peace a chance. - John Lennon May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon! - Big Jim McBob and Billy Sol Hurok -----Original Message----- From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KatHevin Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:57 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD I noticed that the first season is out there (REGION 1). Other episodes are only available in region 2 format. This begs the question - that I know one of you will know - what do I have to do to get "other than region 1" DVDs to play here in the US - are there universal players? can I modify the player (region 1) I have to read region 2? will it play on my computer? Any insight would be appreciated. Billie Stiffler KatHevin Sable Burmese http://kathevin.kariana.ca/ 609-261-1232 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Willmetts" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > Hello Billie > > Randall And Hopkirk (Deceased) is out on DVD > > So is Sapphire And Steel come to that - both on region 1. > > Geoff #3931 From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 11:43 pm Subject: RE: Forgotten Shows on DVD martadawes The New Avengers is out in DVD; I've got them, and while they're not as good as the originals, they're still better than most of the tripe on TV today. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! All we are saying... is give Peace a chance. - John Lennon May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon! - Big Jim McBob and Billy Sol Hurok -----Original Message----- From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Perez Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:55 AM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD Iremember WOR doing an entire week of British programs. That's when I got my first look at THE SWEENEY. Loved it! STEPHEN RUSELL wrote: > Or these shows: > > Thunderbirds > Stingray > UFO > Fireball XL5 > Supercar > New Avengers > Girl from UNCLE > Ark 2 Sid & Marty Kroft kidvid, 1970s. > Shazam!!!!. > > > actingman@... wrote: > I may or may not get back to you on this Richard...depending on what > I can find here in the house. > > But the approximate answer is...whenever it was on. > > Unless of course I am tripping...But I do remember it airing here. I > took notice of it cause I knew Joanna Lumley from The New Avengers. > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "Richard D. Perez" > >Sent: May 8, 2006 10:47 PM > >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > > > >SAPPHIRE AND STEEL on PIX??? When?? #3932 From: actingman@... Date: Tue May 9, 2006 11:50 pm Subject: RE: Forgotten Shows on DVD actingman_jc And I have all of The Avengers except for the New Avengers. Which makes me ask...when is DeepDiscount going to do another 20% off sale? -----Original Message----- >From: Marta Dawes >Sent: May 9, 2006 7:43 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > >The New Avengers is out in DVD; I've got them, and while they're not as good >as the originals, they're still better than most of the tripe on TV today. > >Marta > >http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! > >All we are saying... >is give Peace a chance. - John Lennon > >May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon! - Big Jim >McBob and Billy Sol Hurok #3933 From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Tue May 9, 2006 11:57 pm Subject: RE: Forgotten Shows on DVD martadawes I would have been glad to get anything, new or old, when we had nothing on here. One of the worst memories I have is of an election year, when I was nine or ten, and the endless political debates on TV, all in glorious and ultra-boring black and white. It sits in my memory like a dank, depressing blot that can't ever be erased. Public TV was like a godsend, if you could get the picture to come in, since we were all still on TV settop antennas. Independent stations were unknown to us here until 1981 or so, when we finally got our first. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! All we are saying... is give Peace a chance. - John Lennon May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon! - Big Jim McBob and Billy Sol Hurok -----Original Message----- From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of actingman@... Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:21 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD Oh yes...I knew back then that we were lucky in the NYC market to have all three networks, PBS (or NET if you want to go back far enough) as well as three independent stations. However, for someone like me, who always wants the older shows, I started to envy the smaller markets as the 70's went into the 80's, because NYC stations had the money to go after the expensive, just off-network shows, whereas smaller stations elsewhere would be running the older shows I wanted to see. Also, the smaller PBS stations would fill schedules with old shows on occassions...and what an opportunity that was once home VCRs came along to get entire series...uncut...without having to edit breaks out on the fly. I use to love getting TV Guides from different markets...to see what shows were popping up. I stopped doing that a few years ago because it got to the point where the markets all seemed to be running the same thing. I've always thought this was in part to the technology getting good enough and cheap enough that all stations were now on an equal footing as far as bringing product into the market. I know smaller stations still have to deal with the cost of blockbuster shows...but for the basic stuff...it all looks all the same...I think. -----Original Message----- >From: Marta Dawes >Sent: May 9, 2006 7:14 AM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > >It all must depend on where you're at in the country. Here in the Midwest >we never got these kinds of shows till cable came in. We had the three >network affiliates till then, and PBS. That's it. > >Marta > >http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! > >All we are saying... >is give Peace a chance. - John Lennon > >May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon! - Big Jim >McBob and Billy Sol Hurok #3934 From: "Marta Dawes" Date: Wed May 10, 2006 12:18 am Subject: RE: Forgotten Shows on DVD martadawes Don't they do those twice a year? I would think there should be one coming up soon. Marta http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! All we are saying... is give Peace a chance. - John Lennon May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon! - Big Jim McBob and Billy Sol Hurok -----Original Message----- From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of actingman@... Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:51 PM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD And I have all of The Avengers except for the New Avengers. Which makes me ask...when is DeepDiscount going to do another 20% off sale? -----Original Message----- >From: Marta Dawes >Sent: May 9, 2006 7:43 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > >The New Avengers is out in DVD; I've got them, and while they're not as good >as the originals, they're still better than most of the tripe on TV today. > >Marta > >http://www.steveandmarta.com - See the 2004 Twilight Zone Convention page! > >All we are saying... >is give Peace a chance. - John Lennon > >May the good Lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up real soon! - Big Jim >McBob and Billy Sol Hurok #3935 From: dmanmetz@... Date: Tue May 9, 2006 8:33 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD dmanmetz@... Yes, me and my brother use to watch this when also. I remember the partner/ ghost always wore a white suit. I have an article on this show also. Chris #3936 From: "Bob Greenberger" Date: Wed May 10, 2006 11:57 am Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD bobgrnbrgr Actually, Barbara Hambly wrote Ishmael and it got through Pocket Books and Paramount's Licensing Arm and into print before anyone realized what Barbara had done. By then it was too late but it did cause a lot of chuckling. Meantime, I fondly recall the show from reruns with Mark Lenard as the heavy and young teen heartthrob Bobby Sherman as the youngest brother. He had a stutter which was a rarity on TV during the day. As for worst Trek novel, I have more often heard Della Van Hise's Killing Time as being wrose than Ishmael, which was at least well-written fan fiction. KT was badly written K/S fiction (until the revised ms. was rushed into print). #3937 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Wed May 10, 2006 3:12 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD rperez1025 OK, how about THE ZOO GANG and THE STRANGE REPORT? KatHevin wrote: > Speaking of forgotten shows - does anyone remember "My Partner the > Ghost" (in the US) and > "Randall and Hopkirk - deceased" on the BBC? In the US is aired > around 1974 on Sunday at 11pm in the New York Metro area. It was a > really clever sitcom/mystery show where Randall's partner, Marty - is > run down in the first episode and basically "hangs around" helping > Randall solve mysteries... only Randall can see Marty so it makes for > some great "talking to your naval" gags. > > I'm just curious because I only know of one other person who remembers > the show... > > Billie Stiffler > KatHevin Sable Burmese > http://kathevin.kariana.ca/ > 609-261-1232 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Skip Brown > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > > > I vaguely remember "Here Come The Brides" - only bits and pieces. Wasn't > there a forlorn character named "Bitty"? How can anyone ever forget a > character name like "Bitty"? Its like... Gomer.. or Festus... Or VCR.... > Hmmmm.... > > Besides the song "Seattle" in the main title, the only other details I > remember about the show were Bobby Sherman (my sisters were massively > crushed on him) and actor Robert Brown, who also played the character of > "Lazarus" in the multi-dimensional Star Trek: TOS episode "The > Alternative > Factor". > > Bitty.... LOL... what a name... > > Skip > > > On 5/8/06, actingman_jc wrote: > > > > It's hard to figure out what the criteria is for releasing old shows > > on DVD...when you see what you think is an exception to the "rules of > > good business": it's remembered, it's recent, it had stars who > > currently are big, it was a big deal when it was on...etc. > > > > As an on-going educational thread, I would like anybody who comes > > across a "that got released!!???!!!" show to mention it here and we > > can go over it. > > > > Earlier I mentioned Good Morning World. The only thing I can figure > > is because it had a pre Laugh-In Goldie Hawn in the cast. > > > > Another title I would like to add is Here Come The Brides. It ran for > > two years on ABC starting in 1968. It had some syndication life that > > I know about in the early 70's, it had Bobby Sherman in the cast, and > > it had David Soul who went on to greater fame in Starsky and Hutch. > > > > Maybe I've answered my own question there, but I still did a double > > take when I saw Brides. > > > > By the way...it was a favorable double-take...I remember Brides > > fondly, and added it to my wish list. > > > > My intention here is to bring up shows you would think are as > > forgotten as Search, but yet have managed to make it to the light of > > DVD release. We could all mention shows we think are just awful that > > are out...but a lot of those would be obvious business choices. > > > > Anyone else? #3938 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Wed May 10, 2006 3:11 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD rperez1025 As a Trek fan, I used to collect the novels. I got all the Jim Blish and Alan Dean Foster adaptations. Then the stand alone books started coming. Now, you can basically pick what era of ST you want to read from, and find novels from that era (original series, after the first movie, after the other movies, Next Gen, etc).It became so ridiculous, I just simply gave up. actingman@... wrote: > Biddie Cloom was the character name, played by Susan Tolsky. > > I wouldn't use the term "forlorn"...but she was the "square peg" > character trying to fit into the "round hole" social situation that I > suspect was for comic relief. > > Although it has been a VERY long time with this show...so she may have > had a serious storyline or two...I am not certain...nor did I see them > all. > > This show has a very strange place in fiction history. Ask in Trek > circles what the worst original novel was, and they usually say > "Ishmael"...which was a novel in which Spock ends up with memory loss, > stranded back in time on Earth in the 19th century in the logging town > of Seattle where 100 New England girls have been brought in to be > brides... > > Fan fiction cross-overs get written all the time. But you usually > don't expect to see it in a tv-tie in commissioned by a professional > publisher (was it Pocket Books? I am not at home right now.) > > Anyway, here is a description of the book from Wikipedia: "Barbara > Hambly's Star Trek novel Ishmael has Spock travelling back to the time > and place of Here Come the Brides after discovering a Klingon plot to > destroy the Federation by killing Aaron Stempel (spelled Stemple in > the book) before he could thwart an attempted 19th-century alien > invasion of Earth. During most of the story, Spock has lost his memory > and is cared for by Stempel, who passes him off as his nephew > "Ishmael" and helps him hide his alien origins. At the end of the > story, Spock discovers that Stempel is one of his mother's ancestors, > which ties in nicely with Mark Lenard playing both Stempel and Spock's > father, Sarek." > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Skip Brown > >Sent: May 9, 2006 4:08 PM > >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > > > >I vaguely remember "Here Come The Brides" - only bits and pieces. Wasn't > >there a forlorn character named "Bitty"? How can anyone ever forget a > >character name like "Bitty"? Its like... Gomer.. or Festus... Or VCR.... > >Hmmmm.... > > > >Besides the song "Seattle" in the main title, the only other details I > >remember about the show were Bobby Sherman (my sisters were massively > >crushed on him) and actor Robert Brown, who also played the character of > >"Lazarus" in the multi-dimensional Star Trek: TOS episode "The > Alternative > >Factor". > > > >Bitty.... LOL... what a name... > > > >Skip #3939 From: actingman@... Date: Wed May 10, 2006 5:08 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD actingman_jc For me it is the same result...but for different reasons...I just prefer episode adaptations to originals. Although I thought that the adaptation for All Good Things... was so bad I pretty much stay from all of it now. -----Original Message----- >From: "Richard D. Perez" >Sent: May 10, 2006 11:11 AM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > >As a Trek fan, I used to collect the novels. I got all the Jim Blish and >Alan Dean Foster adaptations. Then the stand alone books started coming. >Now, you can basically pick what era of ST you want to read from, and >find novels from that era (original series, after the first movie, after >the other movies, Next Gen, etc).It became so ridiculous, I just simply >gave up. #3940 From: actingman@... Date: Wed May 10, 2006 5:44 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD actingman_jc I bit back journalistic integrity to get the message written and so it wouldn't have more unfunny non sequiturs than a Carrot Top routine. A more complete thought would have been "at the time I learned of its existence, Trek fans would have said the worst Trek novel ever was Ishmael..." I am sure other bad stuff has been published since then. And Ishmael wasn't the worst thing I have ever read either. -----Original Message----- >From: Bob Greenberger >Sent: May 10, 2006 7:57 AM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > >Actually, Barbara Hambly wrote Ishmael and it got through Pocket Books and >Paramount's Licensing Arm and into print before anyone realized what Barbara >had done. By then it was too late but it did cause a lot of chuckling. > >As for worst Trek novel, I have more often heard Della Van Hise's Killing >Time as being wrose than Ishmael, which was at least well-written fan >fiction. KT was badly written K/S fiction (until the revised ms. was rushed >into print). #3941 From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed May 10, 2006 5:48 pm Subject: New file uploaded to probe_control probe_control@yahoogroups.com Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the probe_control group. File : /Tony Franciosa/751206_TonyHelmArticle.htm Uploaded by : dghprobe3 Description : 1975 TV Guide article on Tony Franciosa as Matt Helm. Name of the Game is mentioned, but not Search. You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/files/Tony%20Franciosa/751206_TonyHe\ lmArticle.htm To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, dghprobe3 #3942 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Wed May 10, 2006 5:56 pm Subject: DVD obscurities & Rhino idea dghprobe3 Hi all: I tried posting this the other day, but Yahoo said my address was bouncing, that I had to "reactivate." Hopefully the problem is cleared up -- for now. -------------------- From: dghprobe3 Sent: May 9, 2006 7:07 PM By the way, I've been enjoying this current thread. It's obvious that a lot of obscure (and previously difficult to obtain) material has been released on DVD to date. Has more material been released on DVD than VHS so far? If not, I'm sure DVD is catching up pretty fast. While the DVD box sets seem pricey, they are really not when you divide the price by the number of episodes. Far cheaper to collect shows with multiple episodes on DVD than VHS. But we're in a sad Catch-22 with Warner. If they had only released Search in syndication along with all the other one-season shows back in the 70's and 80's, it would be among all the other cult favorites today. It apparently won't be released now because it's "obscure." That is not the fault of the fans. And it doesn't stop other obscure productions from being released. Maybe we should contact Rhino, the ones who did the "Wyatt Earp" DVD set and let them know there is this OTHER show starring Hugh O'Brian which they might want to have a look at? Maybe they could somehow arrange to release a pared-down sampler set of the Probe Pilot along with, say, three episodes and see how that goes? Or maybe a half season set, like the Irwin Allen shows. Maybe if several boutique DVD companies keep contacting Warner about Search over time, it might make something give? Items to ponder. #3943 From: Date: Wed May 10, 2006 6:00 pm Subject: 1975 'Matt Helm' TV GUIDE article probecontrol A great article, Don! Thanks for posting. I don't think I've ever read as in-depth an article about Franciosa as that one! Jim Alexander #3944 From: actingman@... Date: Wed May 10, 2006 6:02 pm Subject: Re: New file uploaded to probe_control actingman_jc The only possible reference to Search in the article is when they say Matt Helm is his return to television in 2 years. It occurs to me reading this article that they only wanted to focus on the fireworks...and from the interview with John Strong, there may have not been any fireworks with TF on Search. -----Original Message----- >From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Sent: May 10, 2006 1:48 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [probe_control] New file uploaded to probe_control > > > File : /Tony Franciosa/751206_TonyHelmArticle.htm > Uploaded by : dghprobe3 > Description : 1975 TV Guide article on Tony Franciosa as Matt Helm. Name of the Game is mentioned, but not Search. > >You can access this file at the URL: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/files/Tony%20Franciosa/751206_TonyH\ elmArticle.htm #3945 From: "len1552" Date: Wed May 10, 2006 6:07 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD len1552 Is it just coincidence or do you mention those two shows because they, along with Randall & Hopkirk, have been re-run just recently by UK digital channels? If anyone wants to browse www.itv.com (specifically channels itv3 & itv4) they'll see a lot of shows from the 70s & 80s that we're currently being treated to, most of which had never been re-run here 'til now. Zoo Gang and The Strange Report are perfect examples: I had only the vaguest memories of them and never expected to see either again. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Richard D. Perez" wrote: > > OK, how about THE ZOO GANG and THE STRANGE REPORT? > > KatHevin wrote: > > Speaking of forgotten shows - does anyone remember "My Partner the > > Ghost" (in the US) and > > "Randall and Hopkirk - deceased" on the BBC? In the US is aired > > around 1974 on Sunday at 11pm in the New York Metro area. It was a > > really clever sitcom/mystery show where Randall's partner, Marty - is > > run down in the first episode and basically "hangs around" helping > > Randall solve mysteries... only Randall can see Marty so it makes for > > some great "talking to your naval" gags. > > > > I'm just curious because I only know of one other person who remembers > > the show... > > > > Billie Stiffler > > KatHevin Sable Burmese > > http://kathevin.kariana.ca/ > > 609-261-1232 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Skip Brown > > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > > > > > > I vaguely remember "Here Come The Brides" - only bits and pieces. Wasn't > > there a forlorn character named "Bitty"? How can anyone ever forget a > > character name like "Bitty"? Its like... Gomer.. or Festus... Or VCR.... > > Hmmmm.... > > > > Besides the song "Seattle" in the main title, the only other details I > > remember about the show were Bobby Sherman (my sisters were massively > > crushed on him) and actor Robert Brown, who also played the character of > > "Lazarus" in the multi-dimensional Star Trek: TOS episode "The > > Alternative > > Factor". > > > > Bitty.... LOL... what a name... > > > > Skip > > > > > > On 5/8/06, actingman_jc wrote: > > > > > > It's hard to figure out what the criteria is for releasing old shows > > > on DVD...when you see what you think is an exception to the "rules of > > > good business": it's remembered, it's recent, it had stars who > > > currently are big, it was a big deal when it was on...etc. > > > > > > As an on-going educational thread, I would like anybody who comes > > > across a "that got released!!???!!!" show to mention it here and we > > > can go over it. > > > > > > Earlier I mentioned Good Morning World. The only thing I can figure > > > is because it had a pre Laugh-In Goldie Hawn in the cast. > > > > > > Another title I would like to add is Here Come The Brides. It ran for > > > two years on ABC starting in 1968. It had some syndication life that > > > I know about in the early 70's, it had Bobby Sherman in the cast, and > > > it had David Soul who went on to greater fame in Starsky and Hutch. > > > > > > Maybe I've answered my own question there, but I still did a double > > > take when I saw Brides. > > > > > > By the way...it was a favorable double-take...I remember Brides > > > fondly, and added it to my wish list. > > > > > > My intention here is to bring up shows you would think are as > > > forgotten as Search, but yet have managed to make it to the light of > > > DVD release. We could all mention shows we think are just awful that > > > are out...but a lot of those would be obvious business choices. > > > > > > Anyone else? #3946 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Wed May 10, 2006 6:20 pm Subject: Re: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD rperez1025 Actually, they both ran on NBC after THE SAINT completed its run. len1552 wrote: > Is it just coincidence or do you mention those two shows because they, > along with Randall & Hopkirk, have been re-run just recently by UK > digital channels? If anyone wants to browse www.itv.com (specifically > channels itv3 & itv4) they'll see a lot of shows from the 70s & 80s > that we're currently being treated to, most of which had never been > re-run here 'til now. Zoo Gang and The Strange Report are perfect > examples: I had only the vaguest memories of them and never expected > to see either again. > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Richard D. Perez" > wrote: > > > > OK, how about THE ZOO GANG and THE STRANGE REPORT? > > > > KatHevin wrote: > > > Speaking of forgotten shows - does anyone remember "My Partner the > > > Ghost" (in the US) and > > > "Randall and Hopkirk - deceased" on the BBC? In the US is aired > > > around 1974 on Sunday at 11pm in the New York Metro area. It was a > > > really clever sitcom/mystery show where Randall's partner, Marty - is > > > run down in the first episode and basically "hangs around" helping > > > Randall solve mysteries... only Randall can see Marty so it makes for > > > some great "talking to your naval" gags. > > > > > > I'm just curious because I only know of one other person who > remembers > > > the show... > > > > > > Billie Stiffler > > > KatHevin Sable Burmese > > > http://kathevin.kariana.ca/ > > > 609-261-1232 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Skip Brown > > > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:08 PM > > > Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > > > > > > > > > I vaguely remember "Here Come The Brides" - only bits and > pieces. Wasn't > > > there a forlorn character named "Bitty"? How can anyone ever > forget a > > > character name like "Bitty"? Its like... Gomer.. or Festus... Or > VCR.... > > > Hmmmm.... > > > > > > Besides the song "Seattle" in the main title, the only other > details I > > > remember about the show were Bobby Sherman (my sisters were > massively > > > crushed on him) and actor Robert Brown, who also played the > character of > > > "Lazarus" in the multi-dimensional Star Trek: TOS episode "The > > > Alternative > > > Factor". > > > > > > Bitty.... LOL... what a name... > > > > > > Skip > > > > > > > > > On 5/8/06, actingman_jc wrote: > > > > > > > > It's hard to figure out what the criteria is for releasing old > shows > > > > on DVD...when you see what you think is an exception to the > "rules of > > > > good business": it's remembered, it's recent, it had stars who > > > > currently are big, it was a big deal when it was on...etc. > > > > > > > > As an on-going educational thread, I would like anybody who comes > > > > across a "that got released!!???!!!" show to mention it here > and we > > > > can go over it. > > > > > > > > Earlier I mentioned Good Morning World. The only thing I can > figure > > > > is because it had a pre Laugh-In Goldie Hawn in the cast. > > > > > > > > Another title I would like to add is Here Come The Brides. It > ran for > > > > two years on ABC starting in 1968. It had some syndication > life that > > > > I know about in the early 70's, it had Bobby Sherman in the > cast, and > > > > it had David Soul who went on to greater fame in Starsky and > Hutch. > > > > > > > > Maybe I've answered my own question there, but I still did a > double > > > > take when I saw Brides. > > > > > > > > By the way...it was a favorable double-take...I remember Brides > > > > fondly, and added it to my wish list. > > > > > > > > My intention here is to bring up shows you would think are as > > > > forgotten as Search, but yet have managed to make it to the > light of > > > > DVD release. We could all mention shows we think are just > awful that > > > > are out...but a lot of those would be obvious business choices. > > > > > > > > Anyone else? #3947 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Wed May 10, 2006 6:24 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD rperez1025 The interesting thing about Trek novels is that authors can take any liberties with the characters that they want, as none of it is considered 'canon' among the producers of the filmed program. And while fans might buy the books, they rarely mention the plots at conventions and the like. actingman@... wrote: > I bit back journalistic integrity to get the message written and so it > wouldn't have more unfunny non sequiturs than a Carrot Top routine. > > A more complete thought would have been "at the time I learned of its > existence, Trek fans would have said the worst Trek novel ever was > Ishmael..." > > I am sure other bad stuff has been published since then. > > And Ishmael wasn't the worst thing I have ever read either. > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Bob Greenberger > >Sent: May 10, 2006 7:57 AM > >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > > > >Actually, Barbara Hambly wrote Ishmael and it got through Pocket > Books and > >Paramount's Licensing Arm and into print before anyone realized what > Barbara > >had done. By then it was too late but it did cause a lot of chuckling. > > > > >As for worst Trek novel, I have more often heard Della Van Hise's > Killing > >Time as being wrose than Ishmael, which was at least well-written fan > >fiction. KT was badly written K/S fiction (until the revised ms. was > rushed > >into print). #3948 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Wed May 10, 2006 6:52 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD rperez1025 The interesting thing about the Blish ST adaptations is that he was given shooting scripts to work from. In some cases, these scripts changed radically before airing. So, the resulting adaptation was different. Blish acknowledged this in one of his books. In the case of the animated series, Foster was encouraged to embellish the half hour scripts to create a fuller story. Since Foster was a seasoned scifi writer, the results turned out well. In general, the hacks that were hired to pen series tie-in books in the 60s and 70s also worked from shooting scripts. Execptions were the two TIME TUNNEL novels, the MAN FROM UNCLE series and HAWAII FIVE-O. They were written by established authors. Today, tie-in books still exist. In fact, the '24' novels are selling quite well right now. Aans, as you know, the SEARCH novel was written from the shooting script of the pilot. actingman@... wrote: > For me it is the same result...but for different reasons...I just > prefer episode adaptations to originals. > > Although I thought that the adaptation for All Good Things... was so > bad I pretty much stay from all of it now. > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "Richard D. Perez" > >Sent: May 10, 2006 11:11 AM > >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > > > >As a Trek fan, I used to collect the novels. I got all the Jim Blish and > >Alan Dean Foster adaptations. Then the stand alone books started coming. > >Now, you can basically pick what era of ST you want to read from, and > >find novels from that era (original series, after the first movie, after > >the other movies, Next Gen, etc).It became so ridiculous, I just simply > >gave up. #3949 From: Date: Wed May 10, 2006 7:38 pm Subject: Warner Bros. offers Movies and TV Shows via BitTorrent probecontrol The following is from today's www.tvweek.com newsletter. Jim Alexander ============================================ May 9, 2006 Warner Bros. Teams with BitTorrent to Offer Movie Downloads Content Available Same Day That Retail Sales Begin By Jay Sherman Warner Bros. Home Entertainment said Monday that it was teaming up with peer-to-peer file sharing service BitTorrent to offer Web-based downloads of movies and television shows owned by the studio. Starting this summer, more than 200 films and TV episodes will be available for download on the BitTorrent service for a fee. The movies and films will be available the same day they go on sale at retail outlets. The price of a download has not been announced, but the company said it expects it to be comparable to the $1-per- download rate charged by other legal Web downloads for TV shows; movies are expected to sell for about the price of a DVD. The shows and movies downloaded using BitTorrent cannot be burned onto a DVD and must remain on the hard drive of the computer that downloaded it. The alliance between Warner Bros. and BitTorrent is the latest in a string of agreements that large media companies are striking to make movies and television episodes available on iPods, cellphones and PCs. The efforts are designed to key into what media executives believe is a growing consumer need for video to be delivered on a raft of platforms beyond the television and movie theater screen. In joining with BitTorrent, Warner Bros. is pairing with a company once vilified by the entertainment industry for contributing to the proliferation of illegally distributed video fare. However, BitTorrent reached an agreement with the Motion Picture Association of America in November to develop software that is supposed to block illegal distribution. BitTorrent's technology works by relying on other users to contribute bits of a file to a single download. #3950 From: actingman@... Date: Wed May 10, 2006 8:52 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD actingman_jc The most interesting thing about your post is I did not realize they still did tie-in novels...with the exception of genre shows like Trek, Babylon 5, etc....or maybe 24 would be such a genre. I'm thinking of books like that Gomer Pyle novel I didn't buy in the second hand book store in the 70's...the Lucas Tanner novels I did buy, the Get Smart novels...that sort of thing. I think I concluded somewhere along the way that home vcrs, then shows released on DVD killed a lot of that off. And here is a site to make us all crazy on this topic: http://community-2.webtv.net/electriccafe/SparkysCollectible/index.html -----Original Message----- >From: "Richard D. Perez" >Sent: May 10, 2006 2:52 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > >Today, tie-in books still exist. In fact, the '24' novels are selling >quite well right now. Aans, as you know, the SEARCH novel was written >from the shooting script of the pilot. #3951 From: "Bob Greenberger" Date: Wed May 10, 2006 9:31 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD bobgrnbrgr I refer you to the International Association of Media Tie-In Writers (http://www.iamtw.org/) and you can tell from the members and their credits, there are still a steady supply of novelizations and tie-in originals for many movies and TV shows -- just not in the same numbers as in the past. On the other hand, the quality of writing is substantially higher. #3952 From: actingman@... Date: Wed May 10, 2006 11:29 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD actingman_jc The best thing on that site is a whole page of articles on tie-ins. Wesley Britton wrote a whole piece on TV Spys that is reprinted by permission on the IAMTW site. He asks the following question: ------------------------------------------------------------- NEED INFORMATION: I understand the 1972-73 series Search and its pilot film which was called Probe spun off one novel written by Robert Verkerka. One fan believes there was also a Probe novel written by the same author. He thinks it's a novelization of the pilot. --------------------------------------------------------------- The link for Mr. Britton's site given in the reprinted article is dead. I don't see his name on the list of members who wrote articles...so I am not sure how to contact him to answer his question (if he hasn't already gotten the answer.) -----Original Message----- >From: Bob Greenberger >Sent: May 10, 2006 5:31 PM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Forgotten Shows on DVD > >I refer you to the International Association of Media Tie-In Writers >(http://www.iamtw.org/) and you can tell from the members and their credits, >there are still a steady supply of novelizations and tie-in originals for >many movies and TV shows -- just not in the same numbers as in the past. On >the other hand, the quality of writing is substantially higher. #3953 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Thu May 11, 2006 7:10 am Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD gfwillmetts Hello John the actingman. The computer that was on-board Eagle with the first Apollo landing on the Moon had the power of a modern day calculator. I think we're a bit spoilt by what computers can do today and we're all far more aware of what they can't do as well. As to unexpected releases, I guess there must be some sort of fan base seen as potential buying public. It'll be interesting to see what the sales for the Wyatt Earp series actually does. The same applies with 'The Virginian' - isn't that out?? As to whether 'The Name Of The Game' gets an airing is anyone's business. Sales figures will talk their own releases. Hello Marta We had the first season of 'Danger Man' released over here but not the successive seasons. It came out in the early 60s. Patrick MacGoohan has a large fan base so it wasn't a surprise to see it out. Hello Stephen Rusell I believe Petticoat Junction had a US release and according to Amazon.com still available. Looking through the latest batch of emails, if series can get released on DVD solely based on guest-stars, then we should be able to compile a list of those with fan bases and swell the numbers asking Warners. Hello Billy There was only ever one season of Randall And Hopkirk. Geoff #3954 From: Nic Olinsky Date: Thu May 11, 2006 2:36 pm Subject: Re: DVD obscurities & Rhino idea tutru I was thinking the same thing. They have released some obscure titles. Lidsville, The Complete Series?? On May 10, 2006, at 10:56 AM, dghprobe3 wrote: > Maybe we should contact Rhino, the ones who did the "Wyatt Earp" DVD > set and let them know there is this OTHER show starring Hugh O'Brian > which they might want to have a look at? -- Nic Olinsky http://homepage.mac.com/nic/ Sunnyside, WA iChat/AIM: nic@... ICQ: 6718166 #3955 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Thu May 11, 2006 10:29 pm Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD gfwillmetts Hello everyone Just to throw an interesting spanner into the works. I've noticed DVD films that I've bought from the US cos there was no UK edition are actually Region 0 most of the time. There's bound to be exceptions to the rule so it’s more a matter of comparing notes. Are there any known films or companies that actually do specific Region releases?? I can't speak for all multi-regional DVD players but just cos they say they are doesn't mean they can be sold that way. There's several Net websites that can be cross-referenced to see what the multi-regional code and how to set it up to do the same to your players that ought to be checked before buying. Hello Billie The whole point of Region 1, 2, etc is a matter of companies wanting to govern who can watch what and was probably instigated before the Net make global buying so easy. Some of the DVD manufacturers didn't like this being forced on them and so to compile modified their chips for various regions. Course, if you know what code to poke in, you can get all regions. Hello Richard The Strange Report is out in the UK at discount price at Amazon.co.uk cos I got my copy recently. The real problem with all these TV tie-in books is that its only one stage up from fan fiction and rarely canon because the production companies don't adhere to it. Hello Don It's a lot cheaper to buy season sets than as each 4 episode release as well. Hello John the actingman Been trying to think of a really poor tie-in and the only one that comes off the top of my head is one based on The Invaders which gives David Vincent hypnotic abilities!!! Title: he Invaders: The Halo Highway by Rafe Bernard. Hello Billie That's a turn up for the books. Usually you people on the other side of the pond get the better deals with episode releases. Geoff #3956 From: "Mike" Date: Sat May 13, 2006 8:55 am Subject: Re: Forgotten Shows on DVD kc8nqa Hello All, Just had a chance to read some of the post. It certainly would be nice to see the Search episodes surface someday, I guess we can hope. I don't want to get anyone off topic, just a quick comment: That pic I posted of the Scanner is from the show V - ( Visitors ) 1983. Not sure what episode. I will dig-up more info on it when I can. On another note: I expect to have a Scanner on EBay soon - I was going to put it on Friday but didn't have time. I have a couple of pics, they are not the best but you can take a lo