#4018 From: actingman6@... Date: Thu Aug 3, 2006 9:24 pm Subject: Actress Grayson Hall on Search (??) Sometime around '98, someone contacted me asking about Grayson Hall appearing on Search. I did not know then, and with each new episode we would get, I would scan the credits. Today, trying to avoid doing work, I, for some reason, did a search on her, and found a page that I think the above email writer helped to compile on her http://hometown.aol.com/allard1234/ghresume.htm . What is VERY interesting is that on that page it is saying it was an "unaired" episode with Doug McClure. Now it is possible that they started to film Grover's eighth adventure, and NBC or Warners pulled the plug in the middle of shooting... ...or ...an unknown completed 24th episode???? We only have the number 23 because of Lincoln Enterprises, and by what was aired on NBC. Trevor's station in Australia did not evn run all of the known 23 in the early 80's. So... ??? I am tending to doubt that there is a whole unaired episode, because the show did go into summer reruns on NBC...and I think unaired episodes happen when a show gets completly pulled...no reruns or nothing. (Although I will be interested to know of any exceptions.) What do we think? If anything? #4019 From: yorktowncmdr@... Date: Thu Aug 3, 2006 8:40 pm Subject: Re: Actress Grayson Hall on Search (??) I tend to think this is an urban legend or folklore. SEARCH was rerunning during the summer of 1973. I would think NBC would have shown that episode. At beast an 8th C. R. Grover episode was planned or drafted, but it didn't get past the production stage. End Run, David WorldSecAnalyst #4020 From: yorktowncmdr@... Date: Thu Aug 3, 2006 8:42 pm Subject: Re: Actress Grayson Hall on Search (??) Mrs. Hall was never in SEARCH. I am a "Dark Shadows" fan, and I would think I'd know about this. David > Sometime around '98, someone contacted me asking about Grayson Hall > appearing on Search. I did not know then, and with each new episode we > would get, I would scan the credits. > #4021 From: actingman6@... Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 5:20 pm Subject: Response From The Grayson Hall Website I wrote to the folks at the Grayson Hall website about her and Search, and here is their reply: "S R Shutt did believe Grayson had appeared on Search based on information in her 1970s fanclub newsletter which did mention Burgess Meredith and Doug McClure. Mr. Shutt is responsible for the inclusion of the show on the Remembering Grayson website. I found no confirmation of this in my research. However, when asked about it Grayson responded in a decidedly turse manner leading me to believe something unpleasant had occurred (the show was canceled and she didn't get to film or was released from the obligation for another reason?). In the upcoming biography I simply state it was reported but has not surfaced." So that is as much as they know...and as much as we know. BTW here is their website www.graysonhall.net #4022 From: Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 5:41 pm Subject: Re: Response From The Grayson Hall Website Verrrrry intriguing stuff, John. I guess we'll always wonder what it was that went on with SEARCH and HALL. Maybe I'll ask John Strong about it the next time he and I have the opportunity to speak? Thanks for contacting the Hall website, and digging around on this. Jim Alexander ==================================== > I wrote to the folks at the Grayson Hall website > about her and Search, and > here is their reply: > > "S R Shutt did believe Grayson had appeared on > Search based on information > in her 1970s fanclub newsletter which did mention > Burgess Meredith and Doug > McClure. Mr. Shutt is responsible for the inclusion > of the show on the > Remembering Grayson website. > > I found no confirmation of this in my research. > However, when asked about > it Grayson responded in a decidedly turse manner > leading me to believe > something unpleasant had occurred (the show was > canceled and she didn't get > to film or was released from the obligation for > another reason?). In the > upcoming biography I simply state it was reported > but has not surfaced." > > So that is as much as they know...and as much as we > know. BTW here is their > website www.graysonhall.net #4023 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 6:38 pm Subject: Re: Response From The Grayson Hall Website --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, actingman6@... wrote: > So that is as much as they know...and as much as we know. BTW here > is their website www.graysonhall.net Hi: What we have found so far in all our research and interviewing is that anything is possible. Our study of the SEARCH filmclips has shown that there were many scenes filmed which they ended up not using. There is my article on probecontrol.com regarding a missing scene in "The Murrow Disappearance." Marta Dawes identified the actor playing the doctor as Richard Stahl: http://www.probecontrol.com/articles/UnusedMurrow.htm Article & pics of Grover's orange jeep, more unused footage: http://www.probecontrol.com/articles/GroverJeep.htm I think there are other cases where someone was actually listed in the closing credits of a Search episode, yet the person actually did not appear, or they appear in only a frame or two. I can say we haven't seen any filmclips so far that include actress Grayson Hall. But this still doesn't mean much as there was a lot of footage that Lincoln Enterprises never got to distribute. And we never got footage from the final eight episodes. It's also possible, as you mentioned, that there were preparations for another episode; she may have come in to read for a part and was accepted, and they may have gotten to a rehearsal stage, or even filmed some footage, then the show was cancelled. Wish we could have gotten a little more detail on just what happened. If she mentioned Burgess Meredith and Doug McClure, then her scenes would have been in Probe Control, or her appearance would have been on the Probe viewscreen. I don't think there is any reason Grayson Hall would lie about having been involved with Search at some level. We just don't know whether things progressed to the point where footage was shot and/or discarded, etc. The only other thing I can think to do would be to look over the scripts again and see if there isn't a discarded scene involving a woman character that might bring Grayson Hall to mind. John Strong would be a good one to ask about this. Ask him also about any unfilmed Search scripts, as well as any plans they might have had if the series had been renewed for another year. #4024 From: dmanmetz@... Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 7:07 pm Subject: Re: Re: Response From The Grayson Hall Website In a message dated 8/4/2006 3:03:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dghprobe3@... writes: It's also possible, as you mentioned, that there were preparations for another episode; she may have come in to read for a part and was accepted, and they may have gotten to a rehearsal stage, or even filmed some footage, then the show was cancelled. Wish we could have gotten a little more detail on just what happened. If she mentioned Burgess Meredith and Doug McClure, then her scenes would have been in Probe Control, or her appearance would have been on the Probe viewscreen. OR...............perhaps she was in one of the seven Grover episodes and fired and replaced by another actress to play McClure's leading lady for that episode. Chris #4025 From: "Stephen Russell" Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 3:38 pm Subject: TV Shows on DVD See Critics Choice Video site, catalog. DVD shows to date: Miami Vice Wild Wild West Season 1. 7 discs. 2 per packet Conrad narrates scenes. Unique. Rockford Files Knight Rider A Team Airwolf. Soon maybe SEARCH More Wild Wild West coming in then 60s color. See Critics Choice Video. Other. #4026 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 4:20 pm Subject: Re: TV Shows on DVD WARNING!! ROCKFORD FILES Season 1 set DOES NOT contain the pilot. This was an incredibly idiotic move by Universal. They have also set a policy that if a Season 1 set does not sell, no further seasons will apear. So, you won't see any more of KOJAK (another set that DOES NOT contain the pilot movie). Too bad. Stephen Russell wrote: > > See Critics Choice Video site, catalog. > > DVD shows to date: > > Miami Vice > Wild Wild West Season 1. > 7 discs. > 2 per packet > Conrad narrates scenes. > Unique. > Rockford > Files > Knight Rider > A Team > Airwolf. > > Soon maybe SEARCH > > More Wild Wild West coming in then 60s color. > > See Critics Choice Video. > Other. > > #4027 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Sun Aug 6, 2006 1:35 am Subject: OT: ROCKFORD Pilot Richard is correct that Season One of THE ROCKFORD FILES does not contain the pilot--which was a stupid move by Universal. The UK Season One release does contain the pilot, however. Good news for those that didn't purchase the UK release, though! Season Two WILL have the original, uncut pilot. See: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/releaseinfo.cfm?ReleaseID=5684 Jim Alexander ========================== WARNING!! ROCKFORD FILES Season 1 set DOES NOT contain the pilot. This was an incredibly idiotic move by Universal. They have also set a policy that if a Season 1 set does not sell, no further seasons will apear. So, you won't see any more of KOJAK (another set that DOES NOT contain the pilot movie). Too bad. Stephen Russell wrote: > > See Critics Choice Video site, catalog. > > DVD shows to date: > > Miami Vice > Wild Wild West Season 1. > 7 discs. > 2 per packet > Conrad narrates scenes. > Unique. > Rockford > Files > Knight Rider > A Team > Airwolf. > > Soon maybe SEARCH > > More Wild Wild West coming in then 60s color. > > See Critics Choice Video. > Other. #4028 From: "Morningstar" Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 5:29 am Subject: Re: Something To Take Us All Back It just goes to show you that style over substance is the model these days. That is why good things are so dear, they are rare. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Morningstar wrote: > >... I know exactly what you mean. TV Guide used to be > a "collectible" magazine about television. Now, it is a > glorified People. And, with only 52 issues a year, they put > on the cover: opening football season, opening baseball > season, NASCAR, basketball playoffs, baseball playoffs, and > superbowl. Not much time for the other good programs, > especially when they hype theatrical movies, too. > ================ > You're right. I've been appalled at the number of TV > GUIDE 'movie' tie-in covers over the last few years. I > remember the whole 'series' of Tim Burton's PLANET OF THE > APES 'collectible covers', and weren't there a slew of SPIDER- > MAN, LORD OF THE RINGS and X-MEN covers, too? These have to > do with TV... how? :) > > And speaking of the decline in the 'classiness' of the > magazine, the sad part is--I believe that TV GUIDE says that > sales are up, after their switching to their new PEOPLE-like > format. >>sigh<< > > Thanks-- > > Jim Alexander #4029 From: "Morningstar" Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 5:37 am Subject: Re: Something To Take Us All Back "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." I do use TV-GuideOnline. I refuse to pay for it. The site seems to work okay, but there have been glitches. It is much better formated now. Thanks for the link, though. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, actingman6@... wrote: > > In early 2001, I interviewed for a part time job at TV Guide in NYC to do > data-base entry for their online material. They wanted the person to > aggressively research information on new movies...saying they did not always > get the press releases and kits with the needed info. > > During the interview I ended up talking about old tv and the history of the > magazine. > > There ended up being a hiring freeze so nobody got the job...which was just > as well. As I was talking to them it occured to me that the last thing I > wanted to do was research the latest movies for a tv publication. It was a > tv publication. I wanted to build up their online database with...get ready > for it...TV!!!!! > > I also held my tongue during the interview, and did not ask them why they > were a tv publication focusing on theatrical movies. Having seen the > direction the magazine was going in the previous few years, I figured it was > pointless to ask. > > As far as their magazine being sucessful now, I don't know if I would > believe what they have to say about it. Sales may be up more, or the level > of sales they have now may be more profitable for them since they no longer > have the cost of doing regional editions. Or their newsstand sales may be > up...while at the same time their subscriptions may be down. > > I will say that they were very prompt in refunding my subscription money > when I canceled it. > > I am sure I am in the minority on this, but they said that more people were > getting their local listings from online sources so they had to change their > magazine...well I had to start getting my local listings from online sources > BECAUSE they changed their magazine. > > Here's a free program I have been using. It is pretty good, although it > requires some setup. You also have to sign up for a free membership at the > place the program grabs the listings from...and every 3 or 4 months answer > like a two question survey to extend the membership...but it is the best > replacement I have found so far: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeguide-tv > > > > On 7/19/06, probecontrol@... wrote: > > > > > > You're right. I've been appalled at the number of TV > > GUIDE 'movie' tie-in covers over the last few years. I > > remember the whole 'series' of Tim Burton's PLANET OF THE > > APES 'collectible covers', and weren't there a slew of SPIDER- > > MAN, LORD OF THE RINGS and X-MEN covers, too? These have to > > do with TV... how? :) > > > > And speaking of the decline in the 'classiness' of the > > magazine, the sad part is--I believe that TV GUIDE says that > > sales are up, after their switching to their new PEOPLE-like > > format. >>sigh<< > > > > Thanks-- > > > > Jim Alexander #4030 From: "Morningstar" Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 6:08 am Subject: Re: Actress Grayson Hall on Search (??) It does sound interesting. I would suspect that the episode was probably filmed, since that was scheduled. The post production (editing, scoring, audio tracking) was probably never completed. With the way rights are, it might be that since it was never a "Search" episode (broadcast), there might not have been royalties to the writer(s) for the final script. It may just be the magic bookkeeping of Hollywood. Time to sift through the archive of Warner and see what footage might still exist. Also, forensic accounting might work here; see if Doug McClure ever received payment for the episode. Or, perhaps see if AFTRA has a record of payment. Wouldn't that be a find! --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, actingman6@... wrote: > > Sometime around '98, someone contacted me asking about Grayson Hall > appearing on Search. I did not know then, and with each new episode we > would get, I would scan the credits. > > Today, trying to avoid doing work, I, for some reason, did a search on her, > and found a page that I think the above email writer helped to compile on > her http://hometown.aol.com/allard1234/ghresume.htm . > > What is VERY interesting is that on that page it is saying it was an > "unaired" episode with Doug McClure. > > Now it is possible that they started to film Grover's eighth adventure, and > NBC or Warners pulled the plug in the middle of shooting... > > ...or > > ...an unknown completed 24th episode???? > > We only have the number 23 because of Lincoln Enterprises, and by what was > aired on NBC. Trevor's station in Australia did not evn run all of the > known 23 in the early 80's. > > So... > > ??? > > I am tending to doubt that there is a whole unaired episode, because the > show did go into summer reruns on NBC...and I think unaired episodes happen > when a show gets completly pulled...no reruns or nothing. (Although I will > be interested to know of any exceptions.) > > What do we think? If anything? #4031 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 8:30 pm Subject: RE: Rockford Hello Jim I wondered about Rockford myself, although haven't gotten around to buying it. I'm not entirely sure that any company would be stupid enough just to miss out on a pilot any more than why the US editions have more extras than UK editions, the reverse is much rarer. In this case, I wonder if foreign royalties are a lot easier to clear than national?? It's the only thing they have in common and pilots are invariably treated as TV movies. Gotta go Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ *************************************************** #4032 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 8:39 pm Subject: Re: Rockford I still say someone was asleep at the switch at MCA. The sets of McCloud, McMillan, Quincy and Emergency all have the pilots included. However, the longform film "Dragnet" which was a precursor to the hastily whipped up series (each episode took only 3 days to shoot!) is not included in the Season One package of Dragnet. For MCA to include the pilot in the Season two package of ROCKFORD clearly indicates they goofed, and are making up for it. Go figure! Geoff Willmetts wrote: > Hello Jim > I wondered about Rockford myself, although haven't gotten around to buying > it. I'm not entirely sure that any company would be stupid enough just to > miss out on a pilot any more than why the US editions have more extras than > UK editions, the reverse is much rarer. In this case, I wonder if foreign > royalties are a lot easier to clear than national?? It's the only thing they > have in common and pilots are invariably treated as TV movies. > > Gotta go > Geoff > > > > #4033 From: Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 8:50 pm Subject: Re: Rockford Richard wrote: >... I still say someone was asleep at the switch at MCA. The sets of McCloud, McMillan, Quincy and Emergency all have the pilots included. For MCA to include the pilot in the Season two package of ROCKFORD clearly indicates they goofed, and are making up for it. ================ Amen! Agreed, Richard! Jim Alexander #4034 From: "actingman_jc" Date: Tue Aug 8, 2006 8:38 pm Subject: Photo From Geoff Posted I posted a photocopy Geoff sent me from the Sunday Mirror describing miniature cameras police will wear on their helmets. It is in the photos section in the misc. album. Not sure if the below direct link will work...otherwise just navigate to the photos section. http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/spnew/view/249f?i=16 #4035 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:35 am Subject: Re: Rockford Hi: An interesting wrinkle to the US and UK Rockford DVD sets: The UK Season 1 Rockford set includes the "Backlash of the Hunter" two- part recut-for-syndication, extended version of the pilot which has a lot of added/padded footage. (120 minutes, without commercials would be about 96 minutes.) The pilot was never shown on NBC in this form. The US Season 2 Rockford set includes the 90-minute version of the Rockford pilot as it first ran as an NBC movie pilot. (Without commercials it runs about 74 minutes or so.) Why they would include a version of the pilot in the UK and then wait until the US season 2 set to add a different version of the pilot... well, it makes no sense to me either. Were the sets put together in a rush? Could be. I've also noted that the studios tend to release one season of many series at a time. If sales are not "high enough," subsequent seasons are not released. Could this have played into the thinking of the Rockford sets, as a way to insure higher sales for season 2 in the US? Could be, and if so, this would make for marketing sense, not a goof, and also help insure the release of Rockford season 3 in the US. But again, all this is conjecture. Somebody connected with the DVD project would have to tell the behind-the-scenes story. :-) ------------------------------- --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Richard wrote: > >... I still say someone was asleep at the switch at MCA. > The sets of McCloud, McMillan, Quincy and Emergency all have > the pilots included. > > For MCA to include the pilot in the Season two package of > ROCKFORD clearly indicates they goofed, and are making up for > it. > ================ > Amen! Agreed, Richard! > > Jim Alexander #4036 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:06 am Subject: Search WMV files in Yahoo Closing Credits groups Hi folks: In another attempt to try to get some publicity for our obscure favorite, I recently posted five WMV files of various "Search" closing credits to some of the TV-logo oriented Yahoo closing credits groups. I took the 1972-73 NBC audios in our collections (thanks to Jon Bach for "Suffer" and "Ends", thanks to Jim Alexander for "One of Our Probes"), and matched them with the 1982 Australian and other videos we have found. Go ahead, join these groups and download these files. (You will need Windows Media Player or similar to play WMV.) While you are there, check out what else they have in their files. You will find lots of vintage audio and video from some of your other favorite shows from over the years. Some will be in mp3, mpg, or other formats. They also clean out their Files section every six months or so in order to make room for new material that gets posted, so the Files that currently exist may not be there for long. ---------------------------------------------------- http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/closingcredits/ in "Files" in the "Video" folder: 720920_SearchClosing1a.wmv Created file: NBC audio of Dean Martin promoting his variety series is from 9-20-72 airing of Search 'One of Our Probes is Missing' episode. Video is from 1982 Australia airing. (Also includes rare Warner TV end logo with fanfare of horns.) 730425_SearchClosing2a.wmv Created file: NBC audio of Chet Huntley promoting 'The American Experience' series is from 4-25-73 Search 'Live Men Tell Tales' episode. Video is from 1982 Australia syndication. (No end logo per station editing.) ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/ending_credits_themes/ in "Files" in the "NBC" folder: 730711_SearchClosing1a.wmv Created file: Audio (condenser mic) is Ed McMahon's Tonight Show promo from 7-11-73 NBC Search 'Suffer My Child' episode; the video is from 1982 Australian syndication. With Warner TV end logo. 730718_SearchEarthClosing1a.wmv Created file: Audio of Doc Severinsen Tonight Show promo is from 7-18- 73 NBC close of Search 'Ends of the Earth,' with video added from 80's Spanish syndication. ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/closingcredits2/ in "Files" in the "Video" folder: 82Aus_SearchClosing2a.wmv Search 'Moonrock' episode closing credits. Originally aired on NBC in 1973, this is from a 1982 Australia NBN network airing, including a voiceover announcement concerning programming changes. Also includes somewhat glitchy but rare Warner TV end logo with horn fanfare. ------------------------------------------------------------------ #4037 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:58 pm Subject: RE: Rockford and other absences Hello Don Re: Rockford. Very interesting. With a lot of shows, maybe because of differing censorship, etc, we either see shorter or longer cuts of episodes. I ran a review of 'The Day The Earth Caught Fire' in SFCrowsnest this month and Val Guest's comment for the film has a bearing on particular scenes were shot for different US and UK audiences. Censor - self or otherwise - would no doubt apply to TV series as well although when it stopped... By the by, we've yet to see Carradine's TV series 'Kung Fu' season 3 of either of the two Bionic series season twos out over here yet. 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Just out of curiosity, what has been your groups opinion on the best written/directed/acted episodes? We get asked this over at Lancer about every other month or so, and do the big debate all over again. Some of us old-timers roll our eyes, but I always try to find something new to bring up, as I realize it's important for the newbies. So, if you could be so kind as to delve into some of the pros and cons of the show for this Probe newbie, I'd love to join in. Personally, I find I still really enjoy Lockwood. I remember, for some reason, liking him the best as a kid, and still seem to today. Perhaps it was simply because he was the 'original' probe in the pilot. I've seen a couple Bianco eps and have enjoyed him, too, though the last ep I watched seemed to have more holes in it than usual. I've seen one Grover ep, and found that I still don't seem to like him as much as the other two, but as I said, I've only seen one. Carrie #4039 From: Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:16 pm Subject: SEARCH/MOONROCK paperbacks on eBay For anyone interested: eBay item #120023178355 is both the SEARCH pilot story paperback as well as the MOONROCK novelization, too. Happy bidding! Jim Alexander #4040 From: Brooks Cook Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:25 pm Subject: Re: SEARCH/MOONROCK paperbacks on eBay Thanks Jim. I just put in a bid. Appreciate the heads up! Brooks On Aug 21, 2006, at 12:16 PM, wrote: > For anyone interested: > > eBay item #120023178355 is both the SEARCH pilot story > paperback as well as the MOONROCK novelization, too. > > Happy bidding! > > Jim Alexander > > > #4041 From: Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:46 pm Subject: Re: SEARCH/MOONROCK paperbacks on eBay Brooks Cook wrote: > Thanks Jim. > I just put in a bid. > Appreciate the heads up! ==================== Good luck, Brooks! :) Jim #4042 From: Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:03 pm Subject: Re: Re: SEARCH questions > I've been having fun watching some of the old eps, > and have a question. Just out of curiosity, what has > been your groups opinion on the best > written/directed/acted episodes? ================ I'm not 100% sure we've tackled that specific question, have we? An interesting line of thought. I'm sure everyone has their favorite episode(s)--and for different reasons. I think that due to the fact that SEARCH had some great guest stars (Capucine, Malachi Throne, Jeff Corey, Maurice Evans, Stephanie Powers, Jo Ann Pflug, Howard Duff, Anne Francis, and on and on and on), the thespianic standard is set very high. I wonder if there's a sub-par performance during the course of the entire series? As far as directors go--did any of the series directors have a better 'feel' for the material better than any other (perhaps Russell Mayberry--seeing as he directed the pilot TV Movie)? One thing you'll notice in the latter episodes, Carrie--the show was 'ordered' to shift toward slightly darker, more conventional crime-drama with less of an emphasis on Probe Control (if you can believe that--it's what SOLD the series!). Not to mention that actual Probe Control set going through a massive re-do! ================= > Personally, I > find I still really enjoy Lockwood. I remember, for > some reason, liking him the best as a kid, and still > seem to today. Perhaps it was simply because he was > the 'original' probe in the pilot. I've seen a > couple Bianco eps and have enjoyed him, too, though > the last ep I watched seemed to have more holes in > it than usual. I've seen one Grover ep, and found > that I still don't seem to like him as much as the > other two, but as I said, I've only seen one. ================== I'm guessing the only GROVER episode you've seen is 'Short Circuit' (McClure's first episode), and it might just be my favorite episode of the series. ;) Even when I watched the show as a kid, I always wondered why World Securities would have hired this younger, less- experienced operative. When you stack up Grover against the more seasoned, self-assured Bianco and Lockwood... he *seems* lacking in certain ways. But--if one has read the SEARCH series press release (available on the website), it brings into focus the fact that Leslie Stevens was trying to do something a little different with the Grover character. He's certainly likeable as a character (and actor), but I can see why he might not fit the expected mold with some people. Any thoughts YOU might have upon seeing the series again after so many years, Carrie--are certainly welcome. Your opinions are just as valuable as the rest of the group's! :) Don't hesitate to let us know what YOU think. Jim Alexander #4043 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:28 pm Subject: Re: Re: SEARCH novelisations Hello Brooks You might get a cheaper deal if you link in:- http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?wtit=search%2E%20%2D&wtit1=search&wauth\ =Weverka%2C%20Robert&wauth1=weverkas&browse=0&spell=1&cm_re=search*0results*did_\ you Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ *************************************************** #4044 From: Brooks Cook Date: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:40 pm Subject: Re: Re: SEARCH novelisations On Aug 21, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Geoff Willmetts wrote: > Hello Brooks > > You might get a cheaper deal if you link in:- > > http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?wtit=search%2E%20% > 2D&wtit1=search&wauth=Weverka%2C% > 20Robert&wauth1=weverkas&browse=0&spell=1&cm_re=search*0results*did_yo > u > > Geoff > Man! How cool is it to have friends like we have on the Search Forum!? THANKS Geoff! And you're 100% right, too! :) #4045 From: Date: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:58 pm Subject: SEARCH novelizations An excellent suggestion, Geoff! I also recommend abebooks.com, too! Jim Alexander ============================= >On Aug 21, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Geoff Willmetts wrote: > >> Hello Brooks >> >> You might get a cheaper deal if you link in:- >> >> http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?wtit=search%2E% 20% >> 2D&wtit1=search&wauth=Weverka%2C% >> 20Robert&wauth1=weverkas&browse=0&spell=1&cm_re=search*0result s*did_yo >> u >> >> Geoff >> > >Man! > >How cool is it to have friends like we have on the Search Forum!? >THANKS Geoff! > >And you're 100% right, too! > >:) #4046 From: "len1552" Date: Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:12 pm Subject: Re: SEARCH novelizations And there's also a copy in the UK at www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/055268306X/sr=1-6/qid=1156270018/ref=sr_1_6/20\ 2-4501525-4125413?condition=all I'm biased because that one's mine. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > An excellent suggestion, Geoff! > > I also recommend abebooks.com, too! > > Jim Alexander > > ============================= > >On Aug 21, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Geoff Willmetts wrote: > > > >> Hello Brooks > >> > >> You might get a cheaper deal if you link in:- > >> > >> http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?wtit=search%2E% > 20% > >> 2D&wtit1=search&wauth=Weverka%2C% > >> > 20Robert&wauth1=weverkas&browse=0&spell=1&cm_re=search*0result > s*did_yo > >> u > >> > >> Geoff > >> > > > >Man! > > > >How cool is it to have friends like we have on the Search > Forum!? > >THANKS Geoff! > > > >And you're 100% right, too! > > > >:) > #4047 From: Brooks Cook Date: Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:25 pm Subject: Re: Re: SEARCH novelizations You guys are the salt o' the earth! :) On Aug 22, 2006, at 2:12 PM, len1552 wrote: > And there's also a copy in the UK at > www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/055268306X/sr=1-6/qid=1156270018/ > ref=sr_1_6/202-4501525-4125413?condition=all > > I'm biased because that one's mine. > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > An excellent suggestion, Geoff! > > > > I also recommend abebooks.com, too! > > > > Jim Alexander > > > > ============================= > > >On Aug 21, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Geoff Willmetts wrote: > > > > > >> Hello Brooks > > >> > > >> You might get a cheaper deal if you link in:- > > >> > > >> http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?wtit=search%2E% > > 20% > > >> 2D&wtit1=search&wauth=Weverka%2C% > > >> > > 20Robert&wauth1=weverkas&browse=0&spell=1&cm_re=search*0result > > s*did_yo > > >> u > > >> > > >> Geoff > > >> > > > > > >Man! > > > > > >How cool is it to have friends like we have on the Search > > Forum!? > > >THANKS Geoff! > > > > > >And you're 100% right, too! #4048 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:19 pm Subject: Re: Re: SEARCH novelisations Hello Carrie, Jim and everyone Shall I start the pot rolling? How does one define a bad performance? From what we understand now, Burgess Meredith is said to have been able to telephone his part in and yet he was spectacular considering he was talking to an empty screen. That is pretty common these days, 'Stargate' being a prime example, but rarer in 1972 outside of 'Star Trek'. As to the Probes being different. It stops them coming out of the same mould and interchangeable plots. Hopefully, Grover put into a Lockwood plot wouldn't necessarily come up with the same way to the solution. I mean, in 'Flight To Nowhere', do you think Grover would have attempted to dive into the pool from the building rather than crash through a window like Lockwood did. Both would still be interesting but show a different approach. Before anyone asks what Bianco would do, I suspect he'd have duked it out with them and barely get out the stairway. :-) Has anyone attempted to locate and contact Russ Mayberry by the way?? Gotta go Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ *************************************************** #4049 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:28 pm Subject: RE: SEARCH novelizations Hello Jim and Brooks To coin the Golden Girls. 'Damn I'm good.' I hadn't forgotten abebooks. I only found the Albris site recently because they had things on there abe didn't have. Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ *************************************************** #4050 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:49 am Subject: Re: SEARCH questions http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/polls Our polls section has a number of ongoing polls. An initial summary would say that the earlier SEARCH episodes and the pilot movie were among the better-liked episodes. The favorite Probe Agent up to now has been Lockwood, however Bianco and Grover are currently tied. The favorite episode so far is the PROBE pilot, followed by "Moonrock." The favorite villain so far is tied between Sir John Gielgud and Bill Bixby, with Edward Mulhare the runner-up. The favorite Probe Control set is a 100 per cent vote so far for the dark airplane cockpit look of the pilot and first 15 episodes. No votes for the later bright office look. The last poll question is a hypothetical based on if a Search movie were to appear on the big screen, and the results are hidden until that poll is closed. We've had discussions on nearly all of the episodes, and most seem to agree that the mid-season changes did not help the Search series very much. Although some of those last eight were still pretty good shows, they also tended to seem dull in comparison with the earlier episodes. For me, I didn't see why they couldn't have kept on with the momentum they had going with the first 15 episodes. They could have always worked in "gritty crime stories" with the more "lighthearted romantic caper" approach of the earlier episodes. I didn't see why the series had to be all the way one way or the other, I think they could have done both without the massive mid- season changes they did, which probably only served to turn off the viewers that had followed the series up to that point. #4051 From: Carrie Huebner Date: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:55 pm Subject: Re: SEARCH questions I haven't had a chance to watch any more eps recently, so I still haven't seen any more Grover eps, and have only seen two Bianco eps. I liked the first one better than the second...Iceman, I believe it was called. I just thought there were too many plot holes in that one. Also, perhaps it's clarified in later eps, but doesn't it seem like in Bianco's first ep, when he's givin' it to that guy in the bar, that he made it sound as if he was a rather new Probe? Then in Iceman, he's supposed have been a Probe for quite awhile. The thing I did like about Iceman, though, was the use of the other Probes....who woulda guessed that Bob's wife moonlighted as a Probe, huh? It's interesting that you said your favorite ep was Short Circuit. I had three scripts, one from each Probe, and Short Circuit is the Grover one. Let Us Prey is the Bianco one, and I can't remember what the Lockwood one was, and I can't find it, either. It's possible my brother has that one, or it could have been lost years ago when we moved and I had an entire box of stuff stolen on the moving van. It could be that I need to rewatch Short Circuit, however, as of all the eps I have watched so far, that's the one I was interrupted the most during. Just one of those nights when the phone kept ringing and Arion (the youngest) got an owie, and hubby couldn't find the checkbook.... So, I guess there are no big favorite eps, directors, scenes, etc, huh? I especially enjoy 'perfect scenes.' You know, where you have no uncontrollable urge to smack writers upside the head, or yell at directors, or send actors into their dressing rooms. LOL I think I am a frustrated writer/director at heart, and can be very critical, but when I find a scene that's perfect, I literally get goose bumps. There are a few of those over at the other show I moderate, and I love to just go watch those scenes by themselves. Great work. Off topic here, but when Stargate was mentioned, it made me think of the SciFi's channel new show coming up based on Jim Butcher's books, The Dresden Files. Just wondered if any one had read them. Gotta go get child #3 picked up from his first day at high school... first full day at school ever, actually. Carrie #4052 From: Date: Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:51 pm Subject: Joe Stefano Obit SEARCH creator Leslie Stevens is mentioned in this well- written obituary: http://tinyurl.com/qz7db Jim Alexander