#4157 From: "Mike" Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 4:36 am Subject: Re: "Search" on DVD Hi Jim, Don and All, I know my year end is now more joyous. My boat is afloat. Good Day All, Mike S. :) --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, actingman6@... wrote: > > Even though Don was able to do such an amazing sync job with really > difficult technology, I was never sure if we had decided it was complete. > At least that is why I never set off the rockets announcing the news. > > It is really strange because in one or two places the sound will be > perfectly synched, and then suddenly it will go off. > > If someone wants to try doing the sync job on a computer...give it a shot. > I kept promising myself I would do it, but I was never able to find a > software that could do it for me...that and the amount of time it would take > for me to figure out how to do it...ugh. > > So does this make everyone's end of year more joyous? > > On 11/30/06, probecontrol@... wrote: > > > > Jack wrote: > > > All 23 episodes? Has "Ends of the Earth" turned up? > > > Did I miss something? > > ==================== > > Hope no one minds if I jump in. :) > > > > Yes--No official announcement was made on the list regarding > > finding 'Ends of the Earth.' A few months ago, a Spanish- > > soundtrack version of 'Ends' was located in Spain. This > > video was matched with Don Harden's audio recording of the > > episode, and voila--we now have 'Ends of the Earth'-- > > completing our long quest for that last, elusive hour. :) > > > > The video is pinkish, but the source seems to be a 16mm print- > > -which is good, because there are no over-the-air recording > > artifacts (and no stop-start for commercial breaks). And Don > > used an ultra-sophisticated method of matching the audio to > > video: a vari-speed Karaoke Machine. ;) It may not be > > synched up on every single syllable--but it's great 98% of > > the time. Don did an excellent job! > > > > Me? I'm very picky--and I'm thrilled with the results. I'm > > tickled to finally have 'Ends of the Earth.' :) > > > > If Don or John have anything to add--please feel free, of > > course. I just saw this post and thought I'd respond. > > > > Jim Alexander #4158 From: "Randy" Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 4:41 am Subject: Re: Current availability of digital episodes of Search... O.M.G. :o) It IS Christmas time!!!! I have tomorrow off (burning up vacation time before the end of the year). Plus, the midwest just went from temps in the mid-60's over Thanksgiving weekend, to snow and sleet this afternoon. I can't think of anything better to do, than settle down and watch those episodes. I haven't used usenet in a while, but you can bet your sweet potatoes that I will be working on getting the episodes. This is truly a wonderful surprise. I am sorry about not participating, or checking in around here for a while. I haven't been around for ages, and last night I peeked back in here to find that this group has been busy!! Please forgive me for being such a slacker. There are still people out there who enjoyed Search, and remember the series quite well. I had something really neat happen the other day. I joined a prop site and mentioned Search and the scanner prop. The same night, two people responded and remarked about how much they loved the series. I naturally gave them the URL for here and for probecontrol.com. Thanks for giving me the chance to enjoy it again! Best regards, Randy Havener (Rooster) --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "holmes_ivd" wrote: > > SOME Search episodes are currently available on-line. > > To date, the pilot and six episodes have been uploaded in divx AVI > format to the newsgroup "alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows". > > Search episodes posted to date in > alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows by highfade: > (note: HIS numbering and titling, not mine...) > > 100 Probe 14-Nov > 102 One of Our Probes is Missing 14-Nov > 103 Short Circuit 14-Nov > 104 Moonrock 21-Nov > 105 Live Men Tell Tales 21-Nov > 106 Operation Iceman 26-Nov > 107 The Bullet 26-Nov > > I use EasyNews for my newsgroup service, and they have a 40 day > retention on that group, so the first episodes will still be > available on their servers until approximately Dec. 24th. > > I watched the pilot on my 56" screen, and it held up VERY well. > > Your Mileage May Vary... > > Michael W. Annis... > aka The Toad > > "Sarchasm: > The gulf between the author of sarcastic > wit and the person who doesn't get it." > #4159 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 5:32 am Subject: Re: Re: Current availability of digital episodes of Search... 'Rooster' wrote: >... I naturally gave them the URL for here and for probecontrol.com. ============ Preach on, brother! Thanks for spreadin' the word, Randy! :) Jim Alexander #4160 From: "Mike" Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:23 am Subject: Re: Current availability of digital episodes of Search... Hi all, I guess I'm just an idiot... but what is the difference in this type of sharing oppossed to the other sharing programs ..Torent, Bearshare, Imess, except you pay to be able to access the server to then be able to download the Search Epis? Or any other epis that someone puts up on these news networks?. What makes this more legal than any other sharing network, because you pay for it? I must be missing something. Can someone explain? Mike S. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "holmes_ivd" wrote: > > SOME Search episodes are currently available on-line. > > To date, the pilot and six episodes have been uploaded in divx AVI > format to the newsgroup "alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows". > > Search episodes posted to date in > alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows by highfade: > (note: HIS numbering and titling, not mine...) > > 100 Probe 14-Nov > 102 One of Our Probes is Missing 14-Nov > 103 Short Circuit 14-Nov > 104 Moonrock 21-Nov > 105 Live Men Tell Tales 21-Nov > 106 Operation Iceman 26-Nov > 107 The Bullet 26-Nov > > I use EasyNews for my newsgroup service, and they have a 40 day > retention on that group, so the first episodes will still be > available on their servers until approximately Dec. 24th. > > I watched the pilot on my 56" screen, and it held up VERY well. > > Your Mileage May Vary... > > Michael W. Annis... > aka The Toad > > "Sarchasm: > The gulf between the author of sarcastic > wit and the person who doesn't get it." > #4161 From: Nic Olinsky Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 3:20 pm Subject: Re: Re: Current availability of digital episodes of Search... It isn't any more or less legal than any other form of file sharing, and if you are paying for it, you are doing it wrong. Usenet is one of the oldest of Internet protocols that is provided for free by most internet service providers. You can certainly find for-pay sites that will give you access, but I would bet you already have access through your ISP. I'm on Charter and can access the alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows newsgroup for free, although I am limited to 2 simultaneous connections. Check your ISPs support site for instructions on accessing their newsgroup server. By the way, the files seem to be very good quality, very watchable. I hope the source has more episodes to post. I look forward to converting them to my iPod so I can carry Search with me. On Dec 1, 2006, at 12:23 AM, Mike wrote: > Hi all, > > I guess I'm just an idiot... but what is the difference in this type > of sharing opposed to the other sharing programs ..Torent, > Bearshare, Imess, except you pay to be able to access the server to > then be able to download the Search Epis? Or any other epis that > someone puts up on these news networks?. > > What makes this more legal than any other sharing network, because > you pay for it? > > I must be missing something. > > Can someone explain? > > Mike S. > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "holmes_ivd" > wrote: > > > > SOME Search episodes are currently available on-line. > > > > To date, the pilot and six episodes have been uploaded in divx AVI > > format to the newsgroup "alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows". > > > > Search episodes posted to date in > > alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows by highfade: > > (note: HIS numbering and titling, not mine...) > > > > 100 Probe 14-Nov > > 102 One of Our Probes is Missing 14-Nov > > 103 Short Circuit 14-Nov > > 104 Moonrock 21-Nov > > 105 Live Men Tell Tales 21-Nov > > 106 Operation Iceman 26-Nov > > 107 The Bullet 26-Nov > > > > I use EasyNews for my newsgroup service, and they have a 40 day > > retention on that group, so the first episodes will still be > > available on their servers until approximately Dec. 24th. > > > > I watched the pilot on my 56" screen, and it held up VERY well. > > > > Your Mileage May Vary... > > > > Michael W. Annis... > > aka The Toad > > > > "Sarchasm: > > The gulf between the author of sarcastic > > wit and the person who doesn't get it." #4162 From: "kevin_searchprobe" Date: Mon Dec 4, 2006 2:16 am Subject: Re: "Search" on DVD --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, actingman6@... wrote: > > We do have, in various conditions, all 23 episodes. Don and Jim take care > of distribution. And we have various versions of the pilot with both the > Probe and Search titles. > Great! Thanks, hope you're doing well. Do you think there is any possibility of an official DVD release? Other series with as few or fewer episodes have gone out on DVD. I know on the piece written on Hugh O'Brian he said that he might possibly look into it. Is there any hope? #4163 From: "kevin_searchprobe" Date: Mon Dec 4, 2006 2:08 am Subject: Re: "Search" on DVD --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Jack wrote: > > All 23 episodes? Has "Ends of the Earth" turned up? > > Did I miss something? > ==================== > Hope no one minds if I jump in. :) > > Yes--No official announcement was made on the list regarding > finding 'Ends of the Earth.' A few months ago, a Spanish- > soundtrack version of 'Ends' was located in Spain. This > video was matched with Don Harden's audio recording of the > episode, and voila--we now have 'Ends of the Earth'-- > completing our long quest for that last, elusive hour. :) JEZUS! That's incredible, you guys are something else. I guess the only thing better would be an official DVD release. Is there any possibility? Is there any other "lost" SEARCH stuff out there? For example, an NBC 1972 "Fall Premiere" show? > #4164 From: "Mike" Date: Mon Dec 4, 2006 5:50 am Subject: Re: "Search" on DVD Hi Jim, Don and ALL, Sorry, Don't mean to back track. I just looked back on my post, I forgot to mention that while I'm watching the Man From U.N.C.L.E. I have noticed that Yvonne Craig has appeared in some episodes. Not to mention that she has also appeared in many other TV Series, including: Mod Squad, Love American Style, Star Trek, Emergency, Kojak, Six Million Dollar Man, Courtship of Eddie's Father, and It Takes a Thief, just to name some of them. In fact, she has been in over over 150 television guest roles. Quite the accomplished actress! Please, Carry on with the discussion at hand. Thanks All, and, Have A Good Day! Mike S. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "kevin_searchprobe" wrote: > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Jack wrote: > > > All 23 episodes? Has "Ends of the Earth" turned up? > > > Did I miss something? > > ==================== > > Hope no one minds if I jump in. :) > > > > Yes--No official announcement was made on the list regarding > > finding 'Ends of the Earth.' A few months ago, a Spanish- > > soundtrack version of 'Ends' was located in Spain. This > > video was matched with Don Harden's audio recording of the > > episode, and voila--we now have 'Ends of the Earth'-- > > completing our long quest for that last, elusive hour. :) > > JEZUS! That's incredible, you guys are something else. I guess the > only thing better would be an official DVD release. Is there any > possibility? Is there any other "lost" SEARCH stuff out there? For > example, an NBC 1972 "Fall Premiere" show? #4165 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Mon Dec 4, 2006 7:58 pm Subject: Ends of the Earth, the English version Hi: The "Ends of the Earth" pink 16mm transfer we got from Spain is complete except for the opening teaser. The first thing you see is that first red globe spinning at you from the opening credits. When I first tried dubbing our 1973 NBC audio to the video, I quickly found that the mp3 file would not dub directly. Way out of kilter time-wise. The only thing I could think of doing was to record the mp3 onto a variable speed karaoke machine and use that. What I did was try as best I could to line up the music and the sound effects, as all the dialog was different. But this would only last so long while I was dubbing. There are splices between each scene of the 16mm film, enough to throw off the matchup. I constantly had to stop and re-match things up again throughout the episode. The most difficult portion is Act 4. It starts with a some dialog, then there are long stretches of music, then suddenly there is a little dialog, then another long stretch of music, and suddenly a little dialog, and so on. THAT was tough to line up. Another thing I noticed was that I needed to incrementally slow the audio on the karaoke machine down bit by bit every five or ten minutes. It's as though the 16mm print slowly changed speed from the start of the reel to the end of the reel. I also went ahead and dubbed in the NBC version of the closing credits, so folks get to hear Doc Severinsen promoting that July 1973 edition of The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. :-) But anyway, we now have a watchable English version of "Ends of the Earth." (The Spanish version is also available.) My regret is that the crude methods I used caused a loss of about two video generations. Maybe one day someone can make a higher quality dub. Either way, who knew that those audio recordings of Search we made back in the day would be of any such use back in 1972-73? :-) --------------------------------- --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, actingman6@... wrote: >Even though Don was able to do such an amazing sync job with really >difficult technology, I was never sure if we had decided it was >complete. At least that is why I never set off the rockets announcing >the news... #4166 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Mon Dec 4, 2006 9:14 pm Subject: RE: Burrell dilemma Hello everyone - not sure if this got through last night or I had other distractions, so apologising if this is a duplicate. A quick re-cap I was watching 'One Of Our Probes Is Missing' last night and hit an apparent plotting glitch although I did come up with a solution but want you lot to have a ponder first. Even without his scanner, Arthur Burrell could have contacted PROBE Control, so why didn't he?? After all, he had his tooth contact and earjack. As to being in the presence of people, tooth grinding would still be a valid option. Have a think, people. Hmmm...no response. OK, the solution. As well as concussion, I wouldn't have been surprised if Burrell's earjack got damaged and his tooth contact jumped out in the crash. Simplest explanations are the best. As to UNCLE, Quentin Tarantino has been involved with Miramax with the Modesty Blaise project. Check out 'My Name Is Modesty' available on DVD around the world now. Alexandra Staden, the actress playing her, will have all the male hearts fluttering. I've been watching Knight Rider. Has anyone else noticed the similarity between Michael Knight's comlink and a certain scanner?? 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Date: Mon Dec 4, 2006 9:48 pm Subject: Re: Ends of the Earth, the English version Yes...if anyone can do a good digital synch up, we can make sure you get the best possible digitized copy of the video. On 12/4/06, dghprobe3 wrote: > > Hi: The "Ends of the Earth" pink 16mm transfer we got from Spain is > complete except for the opening teaser. The first thing you see is > that first red globe spinning at you from the opening credits. > > When I first tried dubbing our 1973 NBC audio to the video, I quickly > found that the mp3 file would not dub directly. Way out of kilter > time-wise. The only thing I could think of doing was to record the > mp3 onto a variable speed karaoke machine and use that. > > What I did was try as best I could to line up the music and the sound > effects, as all the dialog was different. > > But this would only last so long while I was dubbing. There are > splices between each scene of the 16mm film, enough to throw off the > matchup. I constantly had to stop and re-match things up again > throughout the episode. > > The most difficult portion is Act 4. It starts with a some dialog, > then there are long stretches of music, then suddenly there is a > little dialog, then another long stretch of music, and suddenly a > little dialog, and so on. THAT was tough to line up. > > Another thing I noticed was that I needed to incrementally slow the > audio on the karaoke machine down bit by bit every five or ten > minutes. It's as though the 16mm print slowly changed speed from the > start of the reel to the end of the reel. > > I also went ahead and dubbed in the NBC version of the closing > credits, so folks get to hear Doc Severinsen promoting that July 1973 > edition of The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. :-) > > But anyway, we now have a watchable English version of "Ends of the > Earth." (The Spanish version is also available.) My regret is that > the crude methods I used caused a loss of about two video > generations. Maybe one day someone can make a higher quality dub. > > Either way, who knew that those audio recordings of Search we made > back in the day would be of any such use back in 1972-73? :-) > > --------------------------------- > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com , > actingman6@... wrote: > >Even though Don was able to do such an amazing sync job with really > >difficult technology, I was never sure if we had decided it was > >complete. At least that is why I never set off the rockets announcing > >the news... > #4168 From: actingman6@... Date: Mon Dec 4, 2006 9:46 pm Subject: Re: Re: "Search" on DVD Who knows? At one point I invited people to name released shows that prompted them to say "that got released???!!!!!????" That is why I mentioned Good Morning World. What is sad to me is that even the "grey market" sites don't have Search. I guess we have all together managed to do something no one else outside of Warners has been able to do. Somewhere in the past messages I gave addresses of those companies that release the unknown and cult shows, after Marta told us about the company she had worked with on either Combat or Twilight Zone (80s) (or both). Doesn't hurt to drop them a line. On 12/3/06, kevin_searchprobe wrote: > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com , > actingman6@... wrote: > > > > We do have, in various conditions, all 23 episodes. Don and Jim > take care > > of distribution. And we have various versions of the pilot with > both the > > Probe and Search titles. > > > Great! Thanks, hope you're doing well. Do you think there is any > possibility of an official DVD release? Other series with as few or > fewer episodes have gone out on DVD. I know on the piece written on > Hugh O'Brian he said that he might possibly look into it. Is there any > hope? > #4169 From: Martin Parrott Date: Mon Dec 4, 2006 10:08 pm Subject: Re: Ends of the Earth, the English version I would be willing to give it a try. I do a lot of video/audio work and re-encode files almost constantly. The holders of the source materials can contact me off list to arrange things if they want. Martin actingman6@... wrote: > > Yes...if anyone can do a good digital synch up, we can make sure you > get the > best possible digitized copy of the video. > > On 12/4/06, dghprobe3 > > wrote: > > > > Hi: The "Ends of the Earth" pink 16mm transfer we got from Spain is > > complete except for the opening teaser. The first thing you see is > > that first red globe spinning at you from the opening credits. > > > > When I first tried dubbing our 1973 NBC audio to the video, I quickly > > found that the mp3 file would not dub directly. Way out of kilter > > time-wise. The only thing I could think of doing was to record the > > mp3 onto a variable speed karaoke machine and use that. > > > > What I did was try as best I could to line up the music and the sound > > effects, as all the dialog was different. > > > > But this would only last so long while I was dubbing. There are > > splices between each scene of the 16mm film, enough to throw off the > > matchup. I constantly had to stop and re-match things up again > > throughout the episode. > > > > The most difficult portion is Act 4. It starts with a some dialog, > > then there are long stretches of music, then suddenly there is a > > little dialog, then another long stretch of music, and suddenly a > > little dialog, and so on. THAT was tough to line up. > > > > Another thing I noticed was that I needed to incrementally slow the > > audio on the karaoke machine down bit by bit every five or ten > > minutes. It's as though the 16mm print slowly changed speed from the > > start of the reel to the end of the reel. > > > > I also went ahead and dubbed in the NBC version of the closing > > credits, so folks get to hear Doc Severinsen promoting that July 1973 > > edition of The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. :-) > > > > But anyway, we now have a watchable English version of "Ends of the > > Earth." (The Spanish version is also available.) My regret is that > > the crude methods I used caused a loss of about two video > > generations. Maybe one day someone can make a higher quality dub. > > > > Either way, who knew that those audio recordings of Search we made > > back in the day would be of any such use back in 1972-73? :-) > > > > --------------------------------- > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com > > , > > actingman6@... wrote: > > >Even though Don was able to do such an amazing sync job with really > > >difficult technology, I was never sure if we had decided it was > > >complete. At least that is why I never set off the rockets announcing > > >the news... #4170 From: Date: Mon Dec 4, 2006 10:50 pm Subject: Re: RE: Burrell dilemma Geoff wrote: > Even without his scanner, Arthur Burrell could have > contacted PROBE Control, so why didn't he?? ------------- > As well as concussion, I wouldn't have been surprised if > Burrell's earjack got damaged and his tooth contact jumped > out in the crash. Simplest explanations are the best. ==================== Sounds reasonable to me, Geoff! Thanks for the 'solution.' :) ==================== > As to UNCLE, Quentin Tarantino has been involved with > Miramax with the Modesty Blaise project. Check out 'My Name > Is Modesty' available on DVD around the world now. > Alexandra Staden, the actress playing her, will have all > the male hearts fluttering. ==================== This is a completed project, Geoff? I hadn't heard of it yet. I'll check on IMdB and see what it has to say. Thanks for the heads-up! Jim Alexander #4171 From: "kevin_searchprobe" Date: Tue Dec 5, 2006 4:24 am Subject: Re: "Search" on DVD --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, actingman6@... wrote: > > Who knows? At one point I invited people to name released shows that > prompted them to say "that got released???!!!!!????" > > That is why I mentioned Good Morning World. > > What is sad to me is that even the "grey market" sites don't have Search. I > guess we have all together managed to do something no one else outside of > Warners has been able to do. > > Somewhere in the past messages I gave addresses of those companies that > release the unknown and cult shows, after Marta told us about the company > she had worked with on either Combat or Twilight Zone (80s) (or both). > Doesn't hurt to drop them a line. > Weekly it seems, there are all these godawful mediocre shows released on DVD. The "They got released?" subject should be resurrected. The "Brady Bunch Variety Hour" and "Captain and Tennille" would be my picks! As far as a Search DVD release, I wonder what the availability of original prints are? And the status of the series is as far legal entanglements? I doubt if it's gone into "public domain", or it would've turned up in some format by now. "Let Us Prey", which has been floating around for years, would be a prime candidate for a cheap "Digiview" release. Too bad Leslie Stevens isn't alive, he seemed to have some affection for the show. Once "Name of the Game" is released, and the uninitiated discover the charm of the "wheel series", maybe there's a chance SEARCH will follow. Still, we should email around a little to try & stir up some interest. > On 12/3/06, kevin_searchprobe wrote: > > > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com , > > actingman6@ wrote: > > > > > > We do have, in various conditions, all 23 episodes. Don and Jim > > take care > > > of distribution. And we have various versions of the pilot with > > both the > > > Probe and Search titles. > > > > > Great! Thanks, hope you're doing well. Do you think there is any > > possibility of an official DVD release? Other series with as few or > > fewer episodes have gone out on DVD. I know on the piece written on > > Hugh O'Brian he said that he might possibly look into it. Is there any > > hope? #4172 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Tue Dec 5, 2006 10:44 pm Subject: Re: RE: 'My Name Is Modesty Hello Jim 'My Name Is Modesty' was completed about 18 months ago and been circulating from France out across the world since then. I came across it purely by accident and hauled in the Frence version which had annoying sub-titles. The Brit/American versions don't but have a lot of extras. It was done on the cheap to see if it can be done. If this is cheap heaven help them with a decent budget. Even Peter O'Donnell was impressed. Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ #4173 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Wed Dec 6, 2006 7:39 pm Subject: dubbing Hello Don Just catching up on my backlog. This might mean some re-work but if you put the Spanish episode onto DVD before doing a dubbing version you might reduce the video generations. I know it sounds obvious but... Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ #4174 From: "Jim Alexander" Date: Thu Dec 7, 2006 12:49 am Subject: OT: "My Name Is Modesty" So it's pretty good, eh? A friend has it on DVD. Perhaps I should borrow it? ;) Thanks, Geoff-- Jim ============================ > Hello Jim > > 'My Name Is Modesty' was completed about 18 months ago and been > circulating > from France out across the world since then. I came across it purely by > accident and hauled in the Frence version which had annoying sub-titles. > The > Brit/American versions don't but have a lot of extras. It was done on the > cheap to see if it can be done. If this is cheap heaven help them with a > decent budget. Even Peter O'Donnell was impressed. > > Geoff #4175 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Thu Dec 7, 2006 7:46 am Subject: RE: OT: "My Name Is Modesty" Hello Jim It's bloody marvellous. Shows Modesty's early life rather than with Willie Garvin but it still has the O'Donnell twist. Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ #4176 From: "Skip Brown" Date: Fri Dec 8, 2006 3:29 am Subject: RE: Ends of the Earth, the English version Send me a copy of both, and I can do it for you using the equipment and programs I own. I use Premiere Pro CS, Sonic Producer (and Acid 4), and can dub it to DVD when finished. The final copy would be a 2nd Generation digital print, and using Premiere I can boost the lighting, fix colors, and assure that the sound is the best dub (using visual cues for everything). With a nod to Mike Okuda, and the rest of Star Trek team, we could call it "Search Enhanced". Skip Brown #4177 From: Doug Nunnally Date: Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:10 pm Subject: Re: Re: "Search" on DVD Sir, I'm new to the group and can't follow the posts that regularly. Could you please provide me with the info as to whom I could contact to obtain copies of the episodes? Thanks, Doug Nunnally actingman6@... wrote: Who knows? At one point I invited people to name released shows that prompted them to say "that got released???!!!!!????" That is why I mentioned Good Morning World. What is sad to me is that even the "grey market" sites don't have Search. I guess we have all together managed to do something no one else outside of Warners has been able to do. Somewhere in the past messages I gave addresses of those companies that release the unknown and cult shows, after Marta told us about the company she had worked with on either Combat or Twilight Zone (80s) (or both). Doesn't hurt to drop them a line. On 12/3/06, kevin_searchprobe wrote: > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com , > actingman6@... wrote: > > > > We do have, in various conditions, all 23 episodes. Don and Jim > take care > > of distribution. And we have various versions of the pilot with > both the > > Probe and Search titles. > > > Great! Thanks, hope you're doing well. Do you think there is any > possibility of an official DVD release? Other series with as few or > fewer episodes have gone out on DVD. I know on the piece written on > Hugh O'Brian he said that he might possibly look into it. Is there any > hope? #4178 From: Alan Bobet Date: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:13 pm Subject: Re: Re: "Search" on DVD Doug: If you are interested in obtainingSEARCH/PROBE on video, then the only members at probe_control website I can direct you to are Jim Alexander and Don Harden, who both have all 23 episodes of the SEARCH TV series plus the PROBE TV pilot. Jim has the pilot plus the first 12 Search episodes on video while Don has the remainding 11 Search episodes on video. Each of them charge $40.00 plus $2 for postage to have those episodes on DVD and mail then to you. I suggest you contact Jim Alexander at probecontrol@... and Don Harden at dghprobe3@... for their postal addreses and to inform then you are interested in obtaining SEARCH on video. Good luck. Doug Nunnally wrote: Sir, I'm new to the group and can't follow the posts that regularly. Could you please provide me with the info as to whom I could contact to obtain copies of the episodes? Thanks, Doug Nunnally actingman6@... wrote: Who knows? At one point I invited people to name released shows that prompted them to say "that got released???!!!!!????" That is why I mentioned Good Morning World. What is sad to me is that even the "grey market" sites don't have Search. I guess we have all together managed to do something no one else outside of Warners has been able to do. Somewhere in the past messages I gave addresses of those companies that release the unknown and cult shows, after Marta told us about the company she had worked with on either Combat or Twilight Zone (80s) (or both). Doesn't hurt to drop them a line. On 12/3/06, kevin_searchprobe wrote: > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com , > actingman6@... wrote: > > > > We do have, in various conditions, all 23 episodes. Don and Jim > take care > > of distribution. And we have various versions of the pilot with > both the > > Probe and Search titles. > > > Great! Thanks, hope you're doing well. Do you think there is any > possibility of an official DVD release? Other series with as few or > fewer episodes have gone out on DVD. I know on the piece written on > Hugh O'Brian he said that he might possibly look into it. Is there any > hope? #4179 From: Charley Kline Date: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:14 am Subject: Two new episodes on alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows For what it's worth, "Flight to Nowhere" and "The Gold Machine" just popped up on the newsgroup today, as well. /cvk #4180 From: DBoysen@... Date: Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:55 pm Subject: Re: Two new episodes on alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows I'm a cyber-idiot. Can you provide a link? Can anyone download episodes? #4181 From: Charley Kline Date: Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:03 pm Subject: Re: Two new episodes on alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows > I'm a cyber-idiot. Can you provide a link? Can > anyone download episodes? They're in the Usenet newsgroup alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows. Yes, anyone can download, but you would need to have access to a news server carrying these groups. They can be hard to find; for me it was a lot more worth my time to just sign up for a $10 account on easynews.com. From there, I used the web interface to go to that newsgroup, and then did a search on "Search". Whoever is posting them is posting BOTH the multipart archive (rar) files (this needs to be done because some Usenet software has limits on post size) and also the complete DivX .avi file of the episode. Look for files over 300 megabytes; those are the complete files. Several other episodes including the pilot movie are still on that group as well, but I think Easynews has a one-month-ish retention time, so some of those are about due to age out. I am finding these to be very watchable, but a little fuzzy and occasionally with poor contrast. They are clearly digitized from 16mm film. I'm probably not saying anything that the long-time episode-hunters here don't already know; I am not sure if what's being posted is identical to what you would get from one of the group members offering to send copies on DVD, or if those kind folks have done additional postprocessing to improve the quality. For me personally, it's enough of a wonder to be watching a show I loved so much as a child and have not seen in over thirty years! /cvk #4182 From: "scott_627" Date: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:02 pm Subject: Re: Two new episodes on alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows Hi folks, There's an easy way to get the videos from the Usenet group. 1. Go to the website guba.com. (note--I am not affiliated in any way with this site; I just stumbled across it). 2 Register for an account (If you don't register, you can only download sample clips). This is free. 3. Login. 4. Do a search in the top right box for the word "search". 5. Click the "More Videos" button in the "Free Videos" section in the lower part of the screen. 6. You'll get a 2 page search results screen. Mixed in among the search results are all the "Search" videos uploaded to date. Underneath each video result are a few icons, indicating different things you can do: a. Play the video onscreen in Flash b. Download in iPod format c. Download in PlayStation Portable Format d. Download in AVI format (the little picture of the disk with the arrow next to it). Choose item d, and you'll get the whole video downloaded to your hard drive--no need to reconstruct the video from multiple RAR files as you do with a standard Usenet download. To play these AVI files in Windows Media Player, you will need the Divx Codec installed on your PC; get it from http://www.divx.com Episodes posted to date and available on Guba: 0 (pilot) 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 Recently posted to Usenet but not yet showing up on Guba: 12 13 14 15 From the voiceover on the end credits, these episodes were shown on Australian TV in the early to mid '80s. Good luck all! --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, Charley Kline wrote: > > > I'm a cyber-idiot. Can you provide a link? Can > > anyone download episodes? > > They're in the Usenet newsgroup > alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows. Yes, anyone can > download, but you would need to have access to a news > server carrying these groups. They can be hard to > find; for me it was a lot more worth my time to just > sign up for a $10 account on easynews.com. From there, > I used the web interface to go to that newsgroup, and > then did a search on "Search". > > Whoever is posting them is posting BOTH the multipart > archive (rar) files (this needs to be done because > some Usenet software has limits on post size) and also > the complete DivX .avi file of the episode. Look for > files over 300 megabytes; those are the complete > files. > > Several other episodes including the pilot movie are > still on that group as well, but I think Easynews has > a one-month-ish retention time, so some of those are > about due to age out. > > I am finding these to be very watchable, but a little > fuzzy and occasionally with poor contrast. They are > clearly digitized from 16mm film. > > I'm probably not saying anything that the long-time > episode-hunters here don't already know; I am not sure > if what's being posted is identical to what you would > get from one of the group members offering to send > copies on DVD, or if those kind folks have done > additional postprocessing to improve the quality. For > me personally, it's enough of a wonder to be watching > a show I loved so much as a child and have not seen in > over thirty years! > > /cvk #4183 From: DBoysen@... Date: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:56 pm Subject: Re: Re: Two new episodes on alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows Thanks for the step-by-step Kat. I'll give it a try. -----Original Message----- From: kuriouskat@... To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 3:02 PM Subject: [probe_control] Re: Two new episodes on alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows Hi folks, There's an easy way to get the videos from the Usenet group. 1. Go to the website guba.com. (note--I am not affiliated in any way with this site; I just stumbled across it). 2 Register for an account (If you don't register, you can only download sample clips). This is free. 3. Login. 4. Do a search in the top right box for the word "search". 5. Click the "More Videos" button in the "Free Videos" section in the lower part of the screen. 6. You'll get a 2 page search results screen. Mixed in among the search results are all the "Search" videos uploaded to date. Underneath each video result are a few icons, indicating different things you can do: a. Play the video onscreen in Flash b. Download in iPod format c. Download in PlayStation Portable Format d. Download in AVI format (the little picture of the disk with the arrow next to it). Choose item d, and you'll get the whole video downloaded to your hard drive--no need to reconstruct the video from multiple RAR files as you do with a standard Usenet download. To play these AVI files in Windows Media Player, you will need the Divx Codec installed on your PC; get it from http://www.divx.com Episodes posted to date and available on Guba: 0 (pilot) 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 Recently posted to Usenet but not yet showing up on Guba: 12 13 14 15 From the voiceover on the end credits, these episodes were shown on Australian TV in the early to mid '80s. Good luck all! --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, Charley Kline wrote: > > > I'm a cyber-idiot. Can you provide a link? Can > > anyone download episodes? > > They're in the Usenet newsgroup > alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows. Yes, anyone can > download, but you would need to have access to a news > server carrying these groups. They can be hard to > find; for me it was a lot more worth my time to just > sign up for a $10 account on easynews.com. From there, > I used the web interface to go to that newsgroup, and > then did a search on "Search". > > Whoever is posting them is posting BOTH the multipart > archive (rar) files (this needs to be done because > some Usenet software has limits on post size) and also > the complete DivX .avi file of the episode. Look for > files over 300 megabytes; those are the complete > files. > > Several other episodes including the pilot movie are > still on that group as well, but I think Easynews has > a one-month-ish retention time, so some of those are > about due to age out. > > I am finding these to be very watchable, but a little > fuzzy and occasionally with poor contrast. They are > clearly digitized from 16mm film. > > I'm probably not saying anything that the long-time > episode-hunters here don't already know; I am not sure > if what's being posted is identical to what you would > get from one of the group members offering to send > copies on DVD, or if those kind folks have done > additional postprocessing to improve the quality. For > me personally, it's enough of a wonder to be watching > a show I loved so much as a child and have not seen in > over thirty years! > > /cvk #4184 From: DBoysen@... Date: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:03 pm Subject: Re: Re: Two new episodes on alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows Hey, this works. I watched "Moonrock" and "Short Circuit" last night for the first time since they aired. Wow, this show was really hokey at times, wasn't it. But I loved it anyway. For 35 years I haven't been able to get on a plane without hearing the Search Theme music in my head. Sometimes I hear voices too, but that's another story. Thanks again to Kuriouskat (sorry I don't know your real name) and everyone else to brought this to light. And a special shout out to whomever posted these videos on the net. Great job. I love the announcers voice at the end of one of the episodes, when he apologises for not showing M*A*S*H* afterwards, and hoping it doesn't cause any inconvenience. Gotta love the Aussies. -----Original Message----- From: kuriouskat@... To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 3:02 PM Subject: [probe_control] Re: Two new episodes on alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows Hi folks, There's an easy way to get the videos from the Usenet group. 1. Go to the website guba.com. (note--I am not affiliated in any way with this site; I just stumbled across it). 2 Register for an account (If you don't register, you can only download sample clips). This is free. 3. Login. 4. Do a search in the top right box for the word "search". 5. Click the "More Videos" button in the "Free Videos" section in the lower part of the screen. 6. You'll get a 2 page search results screen. Mixed in among the search results are all the "Search" videos uploaded to date. Underneath each video result are a few icons, indicating different things you can do: a. Play the video onscreen in Flash b. Download in iPod format c. Download in PlayStation Portable Format d. Download in AVI format (the little picture of the disk with the arrow next to it). Choose item d, and you'll get the whole video downloaded to your hard drive--no need to reconstruct the video from multiple RAR files as you do with a standard Usenet download. To play these AVI files in Windows Media Player, you will need the Divx Codec installed on your PC; get it from http://www.divx.com Episodes posted to date and available on Guba: 0 (pilot) 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 Recently posted to Usenet but not yet showing up on Guba: 12 13 14 15 From the voiceover on the end credits, these episodes were shown on Australian TV in the early to mid '80s. Good luck all! --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, Charley Kline wrote: > > > I'm a cyber-idiot. Can you provide a link? Can > > anyone download episodes? > > They're in the Usenet newsgroup > alt.binaries.classic.tv.shows. Yes, anyone can > download, but you would need to have access to a news > server carrying these groups. They can be hard to > find; for me it was a lot more worth my time to just > sign up for a $10 account on easynews.com. From there, > I used the web interface to go to that newsgroup, and > then did a search on "Search". > > Whoever is posting them is posting BOTH the multipart > archive (rar) files (this needs to be done because > some Usenet software has limits on post size) and also > the complete DivX .avi file of the episode. Look for > files over 300 megabytes; those are the complete > files. > > Several other episodes including the pilot movie are > still on that group as well, but I think Easynews has > a one-month-ish retention time, so some of those are > about due to age out. > > I am finding these to be very watchable, but a little > fuzzy and occasionally with poor contrast. They are > clearly digitized from 16mm film. > > I'm probably not saying anything that the long-time > episode-hunters here don't already know; I am not sure > if what's being posted is identical to what you would > get from one of the group members offering to send > copies on DVD, or if those kind folks have done > additional postprocessing to improve the quality. For > me personally, it's enough of a wonder to be watching > a show I loved so much as a child and have not seen in > over thirty years! > > /cvk #4185 From: "Randy" Date: Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:49 am Subject: Ditto - It Does Work! Please disregard my previous post on 11/30. We got hit by an ice storm that took our power out for 5 days & put me a little bit "behind schedule". Anyway, things are back to "normal" and I finally had the chance to try this out. I just pulled the following from Guba today: 1X00 - Sample (Dag Nab It) 1X02 1x03 1x04 1x05 (Downloading right now) 1x06 1x07 1x10 1x11 1x12 1x15 Just like you said, some were marked Guba uploads and some were marked Usenet, but I followed the procedure and they all downloaded. I've watched 02, 03, 04, and am watching 07 right now. I wasn't able to get the full 1x00 pilot, though. The only thing Guba had was the 1x00 sample. If anybody has any suggestions, I'd love to hear from ya! It's kind of a funny feeling to be watching these again. When the first season came (and went), I really thought I would never see these again. I had written them off to being lost to history. Randy #4186 From: "len1552" Date: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:21 pm Subject: Re: Ditto Ditto - It Does Work! Now this is what I call newsgroup access! Major credit to kuriouskat!! Guba.com is astounding in a life changing kinda way! Or it would be if I were the kind of person who downloads this sort of thing. Which, of course, I'm not. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Randy" wrote: > > Please disregard my previous post on 11/30. > We got hit by an ice storm that took our power out for 5 days & put me > a little bit "behind schedule". Anyway, things are back to "normal" > and I finally had the chance to try this out. > > I just pulled the following from Guba today: > 1X00 - Sample (Dag Nab It) > 1X02 > 1x03 > 1x04 > 1x05 (Downloading right now) > 1x06 > 1x07 > 1x10 > 1x11 > 1x12 > 1x15 > > Just like you said, some were marked Guba uploads and some were marked > Usenet, but I followed the procedure and they all downloaded. > > I've watched 02, 03, 04, and am watching 07 right now. > > I wasn't able to get the full 1x00 pilot, though. > The only thing Guba had was the 1x00 sample. > If anybody has any suggestions, I'd love to hear from ya! > > It's kind of a funny feeling to be watching these again. > When the first season came (and went), I really thought I would never > see these again. I had written them off to being lost to history. > > Randy #4187 From: "scott_627" Date: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:49 pm Subject: Re: Ditto Ditto - It Does Work! You are welcome! Guba is interesting--they claim that they have automated filters to remove any copyrighted material from their Usenet pull, but it's clearly not perfect (and we are lucky it's not). I think it only works on popular stuff (movies, current TV shows). On the usenet group, the mysterious poster has stated (in the .NFO file which accompanies each posting) that he/she will post all episodes except for 1, 8, 9, 21, and 23. He/she has them, but states that they have color bleeding and/or audio synch problems. I'd take them as is and try and do some home-based post processing; I'll post that message to the newsgroup and see if it gets a response. #4188 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:23 am Subject: On the hokeyness of 'Search' Hi: Yes, the occasional hokeyness of "Search" is a fair criticism. But that's the way it is with all series to one extent or another. Similiar shows like "The Man From UNCLE" or "The Wild Wild West" contained even MORE unlikely scenes of silliness. Each of the different spy series sometimes seemed to always want to "one-up" James Bond, and ended up overdoing things at times, when all they actually needed to do was be real cool. :-) What Leslie Stevens was *trying* to do was a sort of a high-tech combination of "The Name of the Game" and "It Takes a Thief," mixing in some of the ideas he wrote about in his 'Future Shock'-like book, "The Steersman's Handbook." Search definitely predicted the computer and technology revolution to come, and NOBODY else was talking about this back in 1972, except for folks like Alvin Toffler. What those of us who were following Search back in 1972 didn't realize was that Stevens basically left the series around June or July 1972, even before the first episode aired on NBC. They continued to shoot the scripts Stevens left for them, but the trend of the show increasingly reflected what the network wanted, that is, a serious, gritty crime-story approach. Stevens wanted the more light-hearted romantic crime caper quality reminiscent of "It Takes a Thief." A lot of this was explored in the interviews Jim Alexander conducted with associate producer John Christopher Strong posted earlier in this list. Search had the same problem all series have. How do we draw millions of viewers to our show so we can stay on the air, yet still make our storylines understandable to Aunt Blabby in Peoria? One of the main reasons why most series drift into cliches, hokeyness, repetitive storylines and such. ---------------------------------- --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, DBoysen@... wrote: > > Hey, this works. I watched "Moonrock" and "Short Circuit" last night for the first time since they aired. Wow, this show was really hokey at times, wasn't it. But I loved it anyway... #4189 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:47 am Subject: 'Enhanced Search'? Hi: I've been enjoying what I've been seeing lately with the CGI "Enhanced Star Trek" TOS episodes. Kudos to Mike Okuda and everyone else involved in the project. I like that they've remained true to the spirit of the original, yet at the same time tweaking some of the old effects thereby giving the shows more visual texture. One example was our first look at the castle in "Catspaw." In the original, we had a close angle on the castle door opening with fog effects all around. In the enhanced version, we still see the same shot of the door opening in fog, but the camera angle has pulled FAR back showing the structure of the ENTIRE castle along with some of the planet's surface, plus clouds in the sky overhead. Another neat and unexpected example is where they let the Gorn blink his eyes now and again in "Arena." Like wow! With this in mind, could a similar "CGI makeover approach" help to bring "Search" back as a TV Land-type rerun? What would we suggest either changing, enhancing, or updating in the way of SPFX? Or should everything be left alone? Myself, I NEVER would have thought that colorizing the first season of "Gilligan's Island" would have been worth doing, but it apparently eventually paid off for Ted Turner Enterprises and WTBS. So I guess anything is possible. :-) #4190 From: "Randy" Date: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:07 am Subject: Re: Ditto Ditto - It Does Work! I'd take them, as is. A little flawed is better than nothing at all :o) RRH #4191 From: "Randy" Date: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:56 am Subject: Re: On the hokeyness of 'Search' Something else right along the same line here.... Some of the hokeyness can be related to the era. Not to sound like the old coot that I am, but we are looking at history here. We're looking at things that were normal for the early 70's. The music, the clothes, the lamb chop sideburns. My kids would barf at that, but that stuff was the norm at the time. Now I have to admit that I had forgotten about some of it, but it was there. Takes me back to my old leisure suit.... I also agree about how insightful Leslie Stevens was. It's easy to forget that virtually, the only computers at that time were the mainframes in the universities, government, and big business. Home PCs were essentially a dream. The ARPANET only had a handful of entities connected to it at that time. The term Internet didn't even exist yet. Whew! The technology to pull up a video file from a different computer system and display it was way beyond anyone's grasp (we used those nasty old keypunch cards to program on, and used teletypes to print the results.) And here's another piece of insight. In Short Circuit, they proposed the 'Mega Trans Package' device that would short out electronics -- 30+ years later we have EMP's. It is truly amazing to look at the technologies of the eras. Randy #4192 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:03 am Subject: Re: 'Enhanced Search'? http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/4191 Having read Randy's post above, where he clears up what he meant by hokeyness, I can see that doing any kind of simple SPFX makeover will never do for Search. Star Trek TOS can be revisited with new FX because it has certain timeless qualities, despite the fact that aspects indicate the late 1960's, such as hairstyles, mini-skirts, Klingons standing in for the VietCong, no women in command, etc. The problem with Search is what actor Peter Mark Richman mentioned to us a while back. The show is dated. The clothes, the haircuts, the big cars, the catch phrases of the time, women's lib being a new thing -- the whole nine yards. The Search reruns might play better on SpikeTV in connection with old James Bond movie marathons than anywhere else. I once mentioned that if Leslie Stevens were still with us, he would take his Search idea, apply it to 2006, but then project forward some 25 years for his concept today. Unless you were there in 1972-73, you don't know what it meant to those of us who were following it. You truly had to be there. My nieces and nephews certainly see Search as something quaint and old- fashioned except for the 'advanced for its time' technology angle. ---------------------------------- --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "dghprobe3" wrote: > > With this in mind, could a similar "CGI makeover approach" help to > bring "Search" back as a TV Land-type rerun? What would we suggest > either changing, enhancing, or updating in the way of SPFX? Or > should everything be left alone? #4193 From: actingman6@... Date: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:07 pm Subject: Re: Re: On the hokeyness of 'Search' Nicholas Meyer in his commentary track for Wrath Of Kahn mentions that you can have two film companies 30 years apart make a movie about the year 1776, and if you knew nothing else about either film, you could still tell which film had been made in which decade...even though the movies were about a different century, where you would have the same hair styles, costumes, etc. Some of that is involved here in watching Search. I know that I can usually tell a 60's show from a 70's show just by the film stock, lighting, etc. In fact, you can do that with Search just by comparing the first 15 with the last 8. On 12/23/06, Randy wrote: > > Something else right along the same line here.... > Some of the hokeyness can be related to the era. > Not to sound like the old coot that I am, but we are looking at > history here. We're looking at things that were normal for the early > 70's. > The music, the clothes, the lamb chop sideburns. > My kids would barf at that, but that stuff was the norm at the time. > Now I have to admit that I had forgotten about some of it, but it was > there. Takes me back to my old leisure suit.... > > I also agree about how insightful Leslie Stevens was. > It's easy to forget that virtually, the only computers at that time > were the mainframes in the universities, government, and big business. > Home PCs were essentially a dream. The ARPANET only had a handful of > entities connected to it at that time. The term Internet didn't even > exist yet. Whew! The technology to pull up a video file from a > different computer system and display it was way beyond anyone's grasp > (we used those nasty old keypunch cards to program on, and used > teletypes to print the results.) > > And here's another piece of insight. In Short Circuit, they proposed > the 'Mega Trans Package' device that would short out electronics -- > 30+ years later we have EMP's. > > It is truly amazing to look at the technologies of the eras. > > Randy #4194 From: "Keith" Date: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:20 pm Subject: The Hokey Pokey Everyone seems to be missing the IMPORTANT part of his comment. The last sentence. Yes, it was hokey, because it's only a TV show, locked in time over 30 years ago, when none of us live in the world of the 1970s. But the important part is that we loved the show, and are willing to ignore the hokey aspects. I wish Guba worked better for me -- I downloaded one episode, and it played without video. Trying to watch off the site it's jerky and I have to pause and wait forever because of the transfer speed. Probe 57 --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, DBoysen@... wrote: > > Hey, this works. I watched "Moonrock" and "Short Circuit" last night for the first time since they aired. Wow, this show was really hokey at times, wasn't it. But I loved it anyway. #4195 From: STemplar Date: Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:53 pm Subject: Re: The Hokey Pokey Keith, I had the same problem when I downloaded an episode and tried playing it on Quicktime. I used another viewer, vlc. It detected there was something wrong with the file and asked me if I wanted to fix it. I clicked yes, it fixed it and I had sound with my video. You might want to give it a try. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Keith >Sent: Dec 23, 2006 8:20 AM >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [probe_control] The Hokey Pokey > > >Everyone seems to be missing the IMPORTANT part of his comment. The >last sentence. > >Yes, it was hokey, because it's only a TV show, locked in time over 30 >years ago, when none of us live in the world of the 1970s. > >But the important part is that we loved the show, and are willing to >ignore the hokey aspects. > >I wish Guba worked better for me -- I downloaded one episode, and it >played without video. Trying to watch off the site it's jerky and I >have to pause and wait forever because of the transfer speed. > >Probe 57 > >--- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, DBoysen@... wrote: >> >> Hey, this works. I watched "Moonrock" and "Short Circuit" last night >for the first time since they aired. Wow, this show was really hokey >at times, wasn't it. But I loved it anyway. #4196 From: "Randy" Date: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:55 pm Subject: Re: The Hokey Pokey Without a doubt, we are all united in our love for it!! I had a few problems with downloading some of the episodes, too. Some downloaded fine, but I did have to re-download a couple of them. If you are still having trouble, make sure to let us know. In case I get tied up over the weekend, I would like to wish all of you a Merry Christmas!!!! Randy #4197 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:13 am Subject: Search & John Strong interview links Yes, indeedy. We all love Search despite any flaws. It was a product of its times, as is any other series. I didn't belabor that particular point because I figured it was a given. :-) The only other thing that wasn't mentioned (which has been discussed before) is that we will never know why Warners never released the Search episodes for U.S. syndication. Time Tunnel, Kolchak, Galactica, The Prisoner and other one-season wonders are out there, but not Search. Give thanks to homemade VHS and DVD recordings so we can enjoy our obscure undistributed underground favorites. New members who missed Jim Alexander's terrific interviews with production honcho John Christopher Strong can go back and check them for behind the scenes insight: http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2868 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2874 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2889 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2893 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2898 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2901 http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2992 --------------------------- --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" wrote: > > Everyone seems to be missing the IMPORTANT part of his comment. The > last sentence... > But the important part is that we loved the show, and are willing to > ignore the hokey aspects. > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, DBoysen@ wrote: > > > > Wow, this show was really hokey > at times, wasn't it. But I loved it anyway. #4198 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:58 pm Subject: RE: arm-gripping stuff Hello everyone One thing that did occur to me with my recent re-watch of 'Search' is how no matter the situation, the Probe would grab the girl before rushing off or to the rescue. They rarely if at all ran separately in shot. It happened a lot in those days with lots of American shows. OK, so why?? Was it to ensure both actors stayed in shot?? The protective nature of the male?? To stop the actress falling over?? I have a feeling it was number one but this should bring some discussion. 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In the second link below, they mentioned the same thing you brought up about the Probe agents tending to grab the girl, but they felt this was "more cliched than persuasive." The problem with formula TV of the time, as the typical male lead was usually given the problem of protecting that week's "damsel in distress." I find that the Search pilot and first 15 episodes tend to compare with the same attitude and presentation of Robert Wagner's earlier "It Takes a Thief" series. Turns out Leslie Stevens was one of the writer-producers, and a number of Search guest stars and behind the scenes crew appear as well. "Thief" also reflected the light-hearted romantic crime caper approach. The last eight Search episodes compare more to the earlier, more serious episodes of "The Name of the Game" and/or "Cannon." What NBC wanted with Search was more of a standard "detective" show. But it's also interesting to note that "Game" became somewhat more fantasy- oriented in later seasons, with episodes like "L.A. 2017," where Gene Barry seemingly travels to the future to see our possible ecological fate. If Search had become a long-running series, it would have been interesting to have seen shows of this nature. Which episodes of Search were the most "formula"? Which episodes were the least "formula"? Did fans prefer the earlier romantic caper type stories, or the more standard detective stories they did later? One item I noticed about the last eight episodes was the attempt to take Cameron outside of Probe Control and/or put him in a business suit as much as possible. During the pilot and first 15 shows, Cam was only always at his Probe station in his ubiquitous lab coat. The most different episode of all had to have been "Moment of Madness" as Cam is forced completely out of Probe Control, thereby becoming the focus of that week's "Search." Variety Review of "The Murrow Disappearance": http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/928 Variety Review of "One of Our Probes" & "Short Circuit": http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/929 "...Both Franciosa and McClure play their parts with an eye for the ladies, which presumably makes the skein more adult in content, but their forays among the femmes is more clichéd than persuasive..." Variety Review of "The 24 Carat Hit": http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/930 #4200 From: "scott_627" Date: Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:15 pm Subject: Re: The Hokey Pokey If you download the show and then get audio without video (I'm assuming in Windows Media Player), then you probably didn't install the Divx codec, which is required to decode the video. Get it (free!) from http://www.divx.com You don't need the player, just the codec; installing the player won't hurt, it's just not needed. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Randy" wrote: > > Without a doubt, we are all united in our love for it!! > > I had a few problems with downloading some of the episodes, too. Some > downloaded fine, but I did have to re-download a couple of them. > > If you are still having trouble, make sure to let us know. > > In case I get tied up over the weekend, I would like to wish all of > you a Merry Christmas!!!! > > Randy > #4201 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:04 pm Subject: RE: Re: arm-gripping stuff Hello Don I can't recall all the 'It Takes A Thief' but wasn't Malachi Throne's character put in a similar imprisonment as Cameron, albeit not so much torture?? Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ #4202 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:50 pm Subject: Re: arm-gripping stuff None of the above. I think it was a precedent set by the Bond movies. Your comments also reminded me of a popular song in the early 70s, "Long Cool Woman" by the Hollies. Great story song, and should have been made into a movie. Richard D. Perez Geoff Willmetts wrote: > Hello everyone > > One thing that did occur to me with my recent re-watch of 'Search' is how > no matter the situation, the Probe would grab the girl before rushing off or > to the rescue. They rarely if at all ran separately in shot. It happened a > lot in those days with lots of American shows. > OK, so why?? > Was it to ensure both actors stayed in shot?? > The protective nature of the male?? > To stop the actress falling over?? > > I have a feeling it was number one but this should bring some discussion. > > Gotta go > Geoff #4203 From: "Jeffrey P Rush" Date: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:09 pm Subject: RE: arm-gripping stuff No question about it, the protective nature of the male. In the early seventies (and before) even though feminism was in its infancy, there was still a sense that the woman was frail and to some extent secondary to the male (star). This began to change with Charlie’s Angels. Lock and Load - Denny Crane, Crane, Poole and Schmidt; Attorneys at Law "The friend of my friend is my friend, The friend of my enemy is my enemy, The enemy of my friend is my enemy, The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Russ and Dee online, HYPERLINK "http://voiceofalabama.com/"http://voiceofalabama.com/ They hit one of us, they hit us all - Horatio Caine, CSI Miami More is lost through indecision than no decision - Carmela Soprano I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them - John Bernard Books, The Shootist Nobody hands me my own guns and says run, nobody! - Brit, one of The Magnificent Seven Jeffrey P. Rush 205/368-6893 Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named in the address. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this information is strictly prohibited. If you received this information in error, please notify the sender and delete this information from your computer and retain no copies of any of this information. _____ From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard D. Perez Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 6:51 AM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [probe_control] arm-gripping stuff None of the above. I think it was a precedent set by the Bond movies. Your comments also reminded me of a popular song in the early 70s, "Long Cool Woman" by the Hollies. Great story song, and should have been made into a movie. Richard D. Perez Geoff Willmetts wrote: > Hello everyone > > One thing that did occur to me with my recent re-watch of 'Search' is how > no matter the situation, the Probe would grab the girl before rushing off or > to the rescue. They rarely if at all ran separately in shot. It happened a > lot in those days with lots of American shows. > OK, so why?? > Was it to ensure both actors stayed in shot?? > The protective nature of the male?? > To stop the actress falling over?? > > I have a feeling it was number one but this should bring some discussion. > > Gotta go > Geoff #4204 From: actingman6@... Date: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:18 pm Subject: Brief Search Mention The January issue of Starlog had an interview with Deanna Lund, and she was talking about something she had worked on directed by Bill Bixby (I think) and she mentions that she had known Bill and his wife Brenda Benet since they had worked together on an episode of Search. End of mention. #4205 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:40 pm Subject: RE: Burgess screen time Just been thinking about what you said, Don. Maybe the powers-that-be felt having an actor of Burgess Meredith's calibre for only a day a week that they wanted to use him a little more. Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ #4206 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:40 pm Subject: RE: Burgess screen time Just been thinking about what you said, Don. Maybe the powers-that-be felt having an actor of Burgess Meredith's calibre for only a day a week that they wanted to use him a little more. Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ #4207 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:16 am Subject: Re: arm-gripping stuff Nice to see more commentary in the Yahoo Search group. More rambling thoughts: I remember one of the early Star Trek TOS writer's guides mentioned that they would not, for example, show the Enterprise captain hugging the yeoman just before the ship explodes. Yet there was a very similar scene in "Balance of Terror" just before the Romulan plasma bolt hit the ship. But Star Trek evolved and the later shows had women in commmand, etc. Yes, the early Bond movies had the tendency of the male hero's attitude toward his female co-stars. Also note that Bond tended to *use* women more often than not, so it wasn't always chivilrous. Names like Pussy Galore certainly pushed the cinema envelope. But not all Bond girls were bimbos. Witness Tanya in "From Russia With Love," or Tracy in "OHMSS." Bond was very much protective of them, whereas many of the others tended to be throwaways. Even so, it would have been difficult to predict Sigorney Weaver types kicking butt on movie screens years later, but things like the Bond films may have helped paved the way. While it's all comparatively tame today, John Strong reminded us that Search was able to get around TV censors of the time by having Gloria Harding declare "We have a liftoff" during the Lockwood-Ullie kissing scene in "Probe." Or Cam's "Lockwood, are you turned on?" But the idea of male hero as protector of women was in the culture before the Bond movies began. "Forbidden Planet" of 1956 comes to mind, as Leslie Neilsen and his crew paid protective homage to Anne Francis. Notice something, though. If you start with the first James Bond film, "Dr. No," and go through each of the movies in production order, you will see the gradual changes in Western culture reflected in the movies, and/or vice versa. One of the only long-running movie series dealing with the same character that began in the early 1960's and continues to the present day. I'm sure I made some mistakes along the way here. But I'd be interested to hear further comments. :-) --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Jeffrey P Rush" wrote: > > No question about it, the protective nature of the male. In the early > seventies (and before) even though feminism was in its infancy, there was > still a sense that the woman was frail and to some extent secondary to the > male (star). This began to change with Charlie's Angels. #4208 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:34 am Subject: Re: arm-gripping stuff Hi: The earlier episodes of "It Takes a Thief" featured Malachi Throne as Robert Wagner's long-suffering "M"-type boss. And yes, the role had similarities to Cameron in Probe Control. Gene L. Coon was also a producer, and you will notice some Star Trek guest stars like Roger C. Carmel and William Campbell in his episodes. Malachi Throne, of course, also appeared in Trek and Search ("The Bullet"). Later episodes of "Thief" had Throne leave the series, with Fred Astaire appearing during certain third season episodes as Robert Wagner's dad. "Thief" supposedly will be released on DVD one of these days by NBC- Universal. It will probably show up suddenly, as "The Rockford Files" sets have finally done recently. As you will see from these Jump the Shark comments on "It Takes a Thief," some of the plotlines got rather involved: http://www.jumptheshark.com/i/ittakesathief.htm --- In probe_control, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > I can't recall all the 'It Takes A Thief' but wasn't Malachi > Throne's character put in a similar imprisonment as Cameron, albeit > not so much torture?? #4209 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:47 pm Subject: RE: Re: arm-gripping stuff Hello Richard & Jeffrey I agree there has to be an element of protective sexism involved but bearing in mind even male actors can run fast, they also aren't wearing high heels - well, not unless they are very short. :-) As they can't carry chunks of rock to slow them down, it ends up being a balancing act, stick the two together. She clings to him so she doesn't fall off her heels and he's forced to slow down so the cameraman gets the shot. The added bonus is it does look like proectiveness but I'm inclined to think that's just a side effect. Logistically, if you're being shot at, it makes more sense to hit the ground than being a running target depending on how much cover you can get. The real test is comparing two actors and two actresses together and see if they go through the cling on act. By the by, Don, in Star Trek’s ‘Where No Man Has Been Before’, at the time of the storm, Mitchell has one hand on the controls and another around a convenient girl. Gotta go Geoff ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ #4210 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:26 pm Subject: Re: Re: arm-gripping stuff Trek TOS became laughable in its attempts to cast Kirk as the Galactic Womanizer. I suspect that, in the ST universe, there are many more illigitimate Kirklets than the one we saw in ST2. Perhaps they could do a new series featuring these kids and call it "Star Trek: The Kirk Generation." RDP Geoff Willmetts wrote: > Hello Richard & Jeffrey > > I agree there has to be an element of protective sexism involved but > bearing in mind even male actors can run fast, they also aren't wearing high > heels - well, not unless they are very short. :-) > As they can't carry chunks of rock to slow them down, it ends up being a > balancing act, stick the two together. She clings to him so she doesn't fall > off her heels and he's forced to slow down so the cameraman gets the shot. > The added bonus is it does look like proectiveness but I'm inclined to think > that's just a side effect. Logistically, if you're being shot at, it makes > more sense to hit the ground than being a running target depending on how > much cover you can get. > The real test is comparing two actors and two actresses together and see if > they go through the cling on act. > > By the by, Don, in Star Trek's 'Where No Man Has Been Before', at the time > of the storm, Mitchell has one hand on the controls and another around a > convenient girl. > > Gotta go > Geoff #4211 From: "Geoff Willmetts" Date: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:40 pm Subject: Kirk time Hello Richard Re: Kirk. I think it was an exaggeration after the effect. I can hardly see it as a contractual thing for scriptwriters to give Kirk a girl every time. ********* GF Willmetts **************************** Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER WE DON’T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:- AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ #4212 From: "Richard D. Perez" Date: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:52 pm Subject: Re: Kirk time No, but if he had thought of it........ Geoff Willmetts wrote: > Hello Richard > > Re: Kirk. I think it was an exaggeration after the effect. > I can hardly see it as a contractual thing for scriptwriters to give Kirk a > girl every time. #4213 From: "dghprobe3" Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:09 am Subject: Re: Kirk time dghprobe3 Offline Offline Send Email Send Email --- In probe_control, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: >Re: Kirk. I think it was an exaggeration after the effect. >I can hardly see it as a contractual thing for scriptwriters to give >Kirk a girl every time. Hi: The same could be same of James Bond, all the Bondkids that could be floating around out there; also James West, the men from UNCLE, etc. But yes, ST: TOS sometimes went overboard in the romance department. It became an easy way out for the writers as the series wore on, with the exception of episodes like "The City on the Edge of Forever." But notice that Spock, Bones, Scotty, and Chekov had their little flings too, so it wasn't just Kirk. If anything, Shatner is even MORE outrageously hammy and Clinton-esque at 73 in "Boston Legal." I mean, they never gave Kirk an inflatable doll. Notice also that Star Trek II did acknowledge and give Bibi Besch the line about Kirk's son "chasing through the universe" with his father. And Kirk was melancholy about his life and what it could have been; Kirk's mid-life crisis, etc. Rare for a series character to stop and look back at things with a degree of regret/remorse/whatever. #4214 From: "ronaldheld" Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:06 pm Subject: Re: Kirk time That is how many male heroes of that era were protrayed. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "dghprobe3" wrote: > > --- In probe_control, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > >Re: Kirk. I think it was an exaggeration after the effect. > >I can hardly see it as a contractual thing for scriptwriters to give > >Kirk a girl every time. > > Hi: The same could be same of James Bond, all the Bondkids that > could be floating around out there; also James West, the men from > UNCLE, etc. > > But yes, ST: TOS sometimes went overboard in the romance department. > It became an easy way out for the writers as the series wore on, with > the exception of episodes like "The City on the Edge of Forever." > > But notice that Spock, Bones, Scotty, and Chekov had their little > flings too, so it wasn't just Kirk. If anything, Shatner is even > MORE outrageously hammy and Clinton-esque at 73 in "Boston Legal." I > mean, they never gave Kirk an inflatable doll. > > Notice also that Star Trek II did acknowledge and give Bibi Besch the > line about Kirk's son "chasing through the universe" with his > father. And Kirk was melancholy about his life and what it could > have been; Kirk's mid-life crisis, etc. Rare for a series character > to stop and look back at things with a degree of > regret/remorse/whatever. > #4215 From: actingman6@... Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:26 pm Subject: Re: Re: Kirk time Even in 24 Carat Hit, where there was no part in the story for an agent fling...they gave Bianco a moment with Miss Lewis. On 12/29/06, ronaldheld wrote: > > That is how many male heroes of that era were protrayed. > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com , > "dghprobe3" > > wrote: > > > > --- In probe_control, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > > >Re: Kirk. I think it was an exaggeration after the effect. > > >I can hardly see it as a contractual thing for scriptwriters to > give > > >Kirk a girl every time. > > > > Hi: The same could be same of James Bond, all the Bondkids that > > could be floating around out there; also James West, the men from > > UNCLE, etc. > > > > But yes, ST: TOS sometimes went overboard in the romance > department. > > It became an easy way out for the writers as the series wore on, > with > > the exception of episodes like "The City on the Edge of Forever." > > > > But notice that Spock, Bones, Scotty, and Chekov had their little > > flings too, so it wasn't just Kirk. If anything, Shatner is even > > MORE outrageously hammy and Clinton-esque at 73 in "Boston Legal." > I > > mean, they never gave Kirk an inflatable doll. > > > > Notice also that Star Trek II did acknowledge and give Bibi Besch > the > > line about Kirk's son "chasing through the universe" with his > > father. And Kirk was melancholy about his life and what it could > > have been; Kirk's mid-life crisis, etc. Rare for a series > character > > to stop and look back at things with a degree of > > regret/remorse/whatever. #4216 From: "Mike" Date: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:02 am Subject: Re: Kirk time Hello Jim, Don, All, I've been really busy with the Holidays lately and haven't had a chance to get on the board, just catching up with the recent post. I think we all expected the star (Kirk, Lockwood, James West) or any leading Man, to get the girl? Almost everytime? Hope All had a Merry Christmas, and also, hope everyone has a Safe and Happy New Year. For anyone that might be interested, I intend on putting a Scanner and Neck Chain Attachment on Ebay in the next couple of days. I will keep all on the probecontrol board informed as to when it it is listed. Happy New Year Mike S. --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > > Hello Richard > > Re: Kirk. I think it was an exaggeration after the effect. > I can hardly see it as a contractual thing for scriptwriters to give Kirk a > girl every time. #4217 From: DBoysen@... Date: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:15 pm Subject: Re: The Hokey Pokey I'll need to chose my words more carefully next time. I meant 'hokey" in the best of ways. I wasn't putting the show down. I, like all the rest of you loved this show, and still to this day feel some kind of connection to it. I just flew home for the holidays and it was surreal watching episodes on my laptop while on the plane. Who would have thought that possible? I even bumped myself up to First Class so I could feel Lockwoodesque. ( I just invented a new word) BTW - has anyone who downloaded the Divix codec, had any problems playing other media files afterwards? I had some of the "New Voyages" episodes downloaded and now I can't play them. Is it possible to switch back-n-forth between the Divix codec and the original one that was installed with the Windows Media Player? #4218 From: actingman6@... Date: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:38 pm Subject: Re: The Hokey Pokey I understood what you meant...there are hokey parts in Search...just as there probably are in every show. Sitting here I thought up a bunch from shows in different decades. As for Windows Media Player...to the best of my knowledge, it does not come with Divix...you always have to download the codec for it. I use Media Player Classic to play stuff back...much better than WMP. Here is a link for it: http://www.divx-digest.com/software/media_player_classic.html On 12/30/06, DBoysen@... wrote: > > I'll need to chose my words more carefully next time. I meant 'hokey" in > the > best of ways. I wasn't putting the show down. I, like all the rest of you > loved this show, and still to this day feel some kind of connection to it. > I just > flew home for the holidays and it was surreal watching episodes on my > laptop > while on the plane. Who would have thought that possible? I even bumped > myself > up to First Class so I could feel Lockwoodesque. ( I just invented a new > word) > > BTW - has anyone who downloaded the Divix codec, had any problems playing > other media files afterwards? I had some of the "New Voyages" episodes > downloaded > and now I can't play them. Is it possible to switch back-n-forth between > the > Divix codec and the original one that was installed with the Windows Media > > Player? #4219 From: "Skip Brown" Date: Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:51 pm Subject: RE: Re: Kirk time And those guys from Time Tunnel. They could be their own grandpas! (It's a foregone conclusion that Sam Beckett from Quantum Leap is his own great great. you know) Skip From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dghprobe3 Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:09 AM To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Subject: [probe_control] Re: Kirk time --- In probe_control, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: >Re: Kirk. I think it was an exaggeration after the effect. >I can hardly see it as a contractual thing for scriptwriters to give >Kirk a girl every time. Hi: The same could be same of James Bond, all the Bondkids that could be floating around out there; also James West, the men from UNCLE, etc. But yes, ST: TOS sometimes went overboard in the romance department. It became an easy way out for the writers as the series wore on, with the exception of episodes like "The City on the Edge of Forever." But notice that Spock, Bones, Scotty, and Chekov had their little flings too, so it wasn't just Kirk. If anything, Shatner is even MORE outrageously hammy and Clinton-esque at 73 in "Boston Legal." I mean, they never gave Kirk an inflatable doll. Notice also that Star Trek II did acknowledge and give Bibi Besch the line about Kirk's son "chasing through the universe" with his father. And Kirk was melancholy about his life and what it could have been; Kirk's mid-life crisis, etc. Rare for a series character to stop and look back at things with a degree of regret/remorse/whatever. #4220 From: Nic Olinsky Date: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:21 pm Subject: Re: Re: Kirk time ...and don't forget Fry's past nastification on Futurama! On Dec 31, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Skip Brown wrote: > And those guys from Time Tunnel. They could be their own grandpas! > > (It's a foregone conclusion that Sam Beckett from Quantum Leap is > his own > great great. you know) > > Skip > > From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of dghprobe3 > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:09 AM > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [probe_control] Re: Kirk time > > --- In probe_control, "Geoff Willmetts" wrote: > >Re: Kirk. I think it was an exaggeration after the effect. > >I can hardly see it as a contractual thing for scriptwriters to give > >Kirk a girl every time. > > Hi: The same could be same of James Bond, all the Bondkids that > could be floating around out there; also James West, the men from > UNCLE, etc. > > But yes, ST: TOS sometimes went overboard in the romance department. > It became an easy way out for the writers as the series wore on, with > the exception of episodes like "The City on the Edge of Forever." > > But notice that Spock, Bones, Scotty, and Chekov had their little > flings too, so it wasn't just Kirk. If anything, Shatner is even > MORE outrageously hammy and Clinton-esque at 73 in "Boston Legal." I > mean, they never gave Kirk an inflatable doll. > > Notice also that Star Trek II did acknowledge and give Bibi Besch the > line about Kirk's son "chasing through the universe" with his > father. And Kirk was melancholy about his life and what it could > have been; Kirk's mid-life crisis, etc. Rare for a series character > to stop and look back at things with a degree of > regret/remorse/whatever. Nicholas M Olinsky Sunnyside School District Manager of Information Systems Phone: 509.836.8412 FAX: 509.836.8423 "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein